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Post by Buckeye Dale on Nov 28, 2016 11:00:39 GMT -5
my post last nite was a little harsh in tone. probably was unnecessary. it was an emotional weekend! i read thsi article in the east lansing journal and it made me furious www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2016/11/26/msu-football-penn-state-couch-column/94477850/ especially this quote: "MSU couldn’t save the Big Ten from a championship game no one outside of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin wants to see. It couldn’t save the College Football Playoff committee from the possibility of an uncomfortable and precedent-setting decision. It couldn’t rescue Penn State from itself — from, best-case scenario, being an awkward-but-tolerated guest next week or, worse case, embarrassing itself and the league a month from now on a national stage."my opinion is evolved a bit after watching some more games from my previous posts. based on watching ohio state struggle to beat michigan state, watching michigan lose to iowa and then struggle to beat indiana and watching the way ohio state beat michigan, i'm not convinced anymore that michigan and ohio state are better than penn state. i recognize the fluky nature of psu's win over ohio state. but since that game, psu has gotten better. it seems to me that people are basing their opinion on ohio state's reputation, and not the play on the field. psu has been average the past 5 years and ohio state has been great, therefore ohio state should go over penn state! despite psu winning head to head, the division and possibly conference. basically, i just don' see it on the field. if ohio state beat michigan soundly and didn' rely on a bunch of michigan mistakes and getting every single close call to go in their favor, i might agree that ohio state is better. if michigan didn't start to regress after playing 174 consecutive home games to start the season, i might feel differently too. sigh. so osu needed to dominate their arch rival in order to prove they're better than psu? seriously? i'm sorry. that statement takes into account virtually nothing about what it's like to play in a game like that. repeat... virtually nothing. ...and totally ignores a 49-10 ass whipping a bit earlier in the season. As for the rivalry, after living in PA for almost eight years, they want that rivalry with us. But they don't come close to MissedAgain...
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Post by snap infraction on Nov 28, 2016 11:23:43 GMT -5
sigh. so osu needed to dominate their arch rival in order to prove they're better than psu? seriously? i'm sorry. that statement takes into account virtually nothing about what it's like to play in a game like that. repeat... virtually nothing. ...and totally ignores a 49-10 ass whipping a bit earlier in the season. As for the rivalry, after living in PA for almost eight years, they want that rivalry with us. But they don't come close to MissedAgain... psu games against michigan should absolutely be considered. but imo, how you finish down the strength should matter more. if psu soundly defeats wisconsin (a big if), psu would have blown out everyone they played since they beat ohio state. at the same time, michigan lost 2 out of 3 and ohio state needed last minute finishes to win their final games. of course i'm getting ahead of myself. psu has to defeat wisconsin and vegas currently has us as a 2 pt dog.
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Post by mscott59 on Nov 28, 2016 11:26:59 GMT -5
osu needs to be able to pass to be most efficient on offense. passing in 25-30 mph winds that those of us at spartan stadium sat in 9 days ago was virtually impossible, or at the least extremely extremely difficult. those kind of conditions level the field. the bucks won, and being the best team in the stadium that day is what they needed to do. playing 2 straight teams on the road, in prime time, who are both off byes, levels the field. when you play a team, you know, like playing sparty after they dropped an emotional final home game w/the season they've had, matters. it is funny that you say osu's offense struggles to score when they topped 38 pts 7 times this year. certainly true that in the toughest big 10 games osu wasn't as effective (23 in regulation at wisconsin, 21 at psu, 24 vs n'western, 17 at msu, 17 vs um in regulation) but the results against the quality of competition are hard to argue with. how would psu or osu do against alabama this year? that's one of those supposition arguments that i can't stand. because neither one of us knows. nor does anyone in tuscaloosa. it's why you play. doesn't take away how good the nitts have been this year, or how they've jelled the 2nd half of the season. if i were king of the forest the uw-psu winner would move into the playoff. btw, as a parallel to the osu-um game saturday... the bucks outgained psu by nearly 140 yards back in october. dominated top (37:19-22:41), held mcsorley to 35% completions (8-23) and 2-13 on 3rd down. but the bucks were called for 8 penalties while psu only had 1. and special teams are those hidden stats that can literally flip games around. those 2 blocked kicks wiped out every edge osu had that night. which is why scoring more than the other team is the only stat that means everything. it just seems that you are adding qualifiers to everything. "we're superior BUT it was windy. we're superior BUT for a few special teams plays. we're superior BUT our opponent was coming off a bye week." i get this a lot from ohio state fans. it's this sense of entitlement that if they don' absolutely destroy an opponent, it's not b/c the opponent is good and made plays. it's b/c the refs or the weather or the placement of their opponents bye week or something else out of ohio states control. lmao. qualifiers? yeah. try throwing a football 20 yards in a 25 mph wind and let me know how you do. neither team could throw in east lansing. that's a sense of entitlement to you? lmao again. those are football conditions. they're not the same week to week. as for the bye weeks? hell one of the psu radio guys i was listening to saturday night heading back to the hotel brought that up, how osu was playing back to back road night games vs teams off a bye. are you saying that doesn't matter? ok. you're speaking like you've never played a down in your life, but that's true for the vast majority of fans. judging a season is subjective. osu and psu did not play the same schedules. both did well. psu beat osu but they both had the same league record. osu had a better overall record. if you make msu your pivot point, psu looks better. make michigan your pivot point and osu looks better. those who think osu has had a better season to date? it's not due to a sense of entitlement. jeez.
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Post by Buckeye Dale on Nov 28, 2016 11:31:17 GMT -5
...and totally ignores a 49-10 ass whipping a bit earlier in the season. As for the rivalry, after living in PA for almost eight years, they want that rivalry with us. But they don't come close to MissedAgain... psu games against michigan should absolutely be considered. but imo, how you finish down the strength should matter more. if psu soundly defeats wisconsin (a big if), psu would have blown out everyone they played since they beat ohio state. at the same time, michigan lost 2 out of 3 and ohio state needed last minute finishes to win their final games. of course i'm getting ahead of myself. psu has to defeat wisconsin and vegas currently has us as a 2 pt dog. So head to head in a fluke win matters, but an ass whipping head to head doesn't? STRANGE world you live in, but we've know that for several years now.
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Post by Buckeye Dale on Nov 28, 2016 11:34:44 GMT -5
it just seems that you are adding qualifiers to everything. "we're superior BUT it was windy. we're superior BUT for a few special teams plays. we're superior BUT our opponent was coming off a bye week." i get this a lot from ohio state fans. it's this sense of entitlement that if they don' absolutely destroy an opponent, it's not b/c the opponent is good and made plays. it's b/c the refs or the weather or the placement of their opponents bye week or something else out of ohio states control. lmao. qualifiers? yeah. try throwing a football 20 yards in a 25 mph wind and let me know how you do. neither team could throw in east lansing. that's a sense of entitlement to you? lmao again. those are football conditions. they're not the same week to week. as for the bye weeks? hell one of the psu radio guys i was listening to saturday night heading back to the hotel brought that up, how osu was playing back to back road night games vs teams off a bye. are you saying that doesn't matter? ok. you're speaking like you've never played a down in your life, but that's true for the vast majority of fans. judging a season is subjective. osu and psu did not play the same schedules. both did well. psu beat osu but they both had the same league record. osu had a better overall record. if you make msu your pivot point, psu looks better. make michigan your pivot point and osu looks better. those who think osu has had a better season to date? it's not due to a sense of entitlement. jeez. I've thought that several times...to include playing tackle football in the backyard.
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Post by AlaCowboy on Nov 28, 2016 11:36:14 GMT -5
osu needs to be able to pass to be most efficient on offense. passing in 25-30 mph winds that those of us at spartan stadium sat in 9 days ago was virtually impossible, or at the least extremely extremely difficult. those kind of conditions level the field. the bucks won, and being the best team in the stadium that day is what they needed to do. playing 2 straight teams on the road, in prime time, who are both off byes, levels the field. when you play a team, you know, like playing sparty after they dropped an emotional final home game w/the season they've had, matters. it is funny that you say osu's offense struggles to score when they topped 38 pts 7 times this year. certainly true that in the toughest big 10 games osu wasn't as effective (23 in regulation at wisconsin, 21 at psu, 24 vs n'western, 17 at msu, 17 vs um in regulation) but the results against the quality of competition are hard to argue with. how would psu or osu do against alabama this year? that's one of those supposition arguments that i can't stand. because neither one of us knows. nor does anyone in tuscaloosa. it's why you play. doesn't take away how good the nitts have been this year, or how they've jelled the 2nd half of the season. if i were king of the forest the uw-psu winner would move into the playoff. btw, as a parallel to the osu-um game saturday... the bucks outgained psu by nearly 140 yards back in october. dominated top (37:19-22:41), held mcsorley to 35% completions (8-23) and 2-13 on 3rd down. but the bucks were called for 8 penalties while psu only had 1. and special teams are those hidden stats that can literally flip games around. those 2 blocked kicks wiped out every edge osu had that night. which is why scoring more than the other team is the only stat that means everything. it just seems that you are adding qualifiers to everything. "we're superior BUT it was windy. we're superior BUT for a few special teams plays. we're superior BUT our opponent was coming off a bye week." i get this a lot from ohio state fans. it's this sense of entitlement that if they don' absolutely destroy an opponent, it's not b/c the opponent is good and made plays. it's b/c the refs or the weather or the placement of their opponents bye week or something else out of ohio states control. Those Ohio State fans are sounding like SEC fans, aren't they?
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Post by mscott59 on Nov 28, 2016 11:52:59 GMT -5
it just seems that you are adding qualifiers to everything. "we're superior BUT it was windy. we're superior BUT for a few special teams plays. we're superior BUT our opponent was coming off a bye week." i get this a lot from ohio state fans. it's this sense of entitlement that if they don' absolutely destroy an opponent, it's not b/c the opponent is good and made plays. it's b/c the refs or the weather or the placement of their opponents bye week or something else out of ohio states control. Those Ohio State fans are sounding like SEC fans, aren't they? that's 15 yards for piling on... lol
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Post by snap infraction on Nov 28, 2016 12:02:25 GMT -5
it just seems that you are adding qualifiers to everything. "we're superior BUT it was windy. we're superior BUT for a few special teams plays. we're superior BUT our opponent was coming off a bye week." i get this a lot from ohio state fans. it's this sense of entitlement that if they don' absolutely destroy an opponent, it's not b/c the opponent is good and made plays. it's b/c the refs or the weather or the placement of their opponents bye week or something else out of ohio states control. lmao. qualifiers? yeah. try throwing a football 20 yards in a 25 mph wind and let me know how you do. neither team could throw in east lansing. that's a sense of entitlement to you? lmao again. those are football conditions. they're not the same week to week. as for the bye weeks? hell one of the psu radio guys i was listening to saturday night heading back to the hotel brought that up, how osu was playing back to back road night games vs teams off a bye. are you saying that doesn't matter? ok. you're speaking like you've never played a down in your life, but that's true for the vast majority of fans. judging a season is subjective. osu and psu did not play the same schedules. both did well. psu beat osu but they both had the same league record. osu had a better overall record. if you make msu your pivot point, psu looks better. make michigan your pivot point and osu looks better. those who think osu has had a better season to date? it's not due to a sense of entitlement. jeez. of course the different variables matter. people are just selective when they use them. ie when psu played osu, all i heard was whining about the non PI call that no one saw until instant replay slowed down the play that may or may not have impacted osu's final drive. but when osu gets away with a probable PI against michigan in OT, i hear nothing from osu fans that that play might impact the final score. instead when i bring up the close calls that went osu's way, i hear "winning that type of game against an arch rival" bs. and the spot given to barrett on 4th and 1 could have easily went either way.
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Post by AlaCowboy on Nov 28, 2016 12:38:26 GMT -5
...and totally ignores a 49-10 ass whipping a bit earlier in the season. As for the rivalry, after living in PA for almost eight years, they want that rivalry with us. But they don't come close to MissedAgain... psu games against michigan should absolutely be considered. but imo, how you finish down the strength should matter more. if psu soundly defeats wisconsin (a big if), psu would have blown out everyone they played since they beat ohio state. at the same time, michigan lost 2 out of 3 and ohio state needed last minute finishes to win their final games. of course i'm getting ahead of myself. psu has to defeat wisconsin and vegas currently has us as a 2 pt dog. You'd think the next B1G coach of the Year would get a little respect, wouldn't you?
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Post by oujour76 on Nov 28, 2016 13:08:09 GMT -5
I'm hoping for chaos but above all, I want a 2-loss team get in.
Any particular one, or just a team with 2-losses? Believe it or not, any 2-loss team...it wins me $50. Truth be told, if it came down to it, I'd rather lose the $50 than have OU in the playoffs. The Sooners aren't a good enough team.
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Post by Buckeye Dale on Nov 28, 2016 14:13:59 GMT -5
lmao. qualifiers? yeah. try throwing a football 20 yards in a 25 mph wind and let me know how you do. neither team could throw in east lansing. that's a sense of entitlement to you? lmao again. those are football conditions. they're not the same week to week. as for the bye weeks? hell one of the psu radio guys i was listening to saturday night heading back to the hotel brought that up, how osu was playing back to back road night games vs teams off a bye. are you saying that doesn't matter? ok. you're speaking like you've never played a down in your life, but that's true for the vast majority of fans. judging a season is subjective. osu and psu did not play the same schedules. both did well. psu beat osu but they both had the same league record. osu had a better overall record. if you make msu your pivot point, psu looks better. make michigan your pivot point and osu looks better. those who think osu has had a better season to date? it's not due to a sense of entitlement. jeez. of course the different variables matter. people are just selective when they use them. ie when psu played osu, all i heard was whining about the non PI call that no one saw until instant replay slowed down the play that may or may not have impacted osu's final drive. but when osu gets away with a probable POSSIBLE PI against michigan in OT, i hear nothing from osu fans that that play might impact the final score. instead when i bring up the close calls that went osu's way, i hear "winning that type of game against an arch rival" bs. and the spot given to barrett on 4th and 1 could have easily went either way. Could have been called, the announcer mentioned it. BIG difference between that (non) call the the PI called on MissedAgain. Conley had his hand on the receiver, not doubt. But as the commentator said, he didn't impede the receiver, and there was no movement, as if he HAD hooked the guy. When the PI was called on the wolvies, the DB was draped over Samuel's shoulder, preventing him from raising his arm. Could he have caught the ball? I don't know. But that he was prevented from even attempting to reach caused the flag to be thrown.
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Post by mscott59 on Nov 28, 2016 14:37:15 GMT -5
lmao. qualifiers? yeah. try throwing a football 20 yards in a 25 mph wind and let me know how you do. neither team could throw in east lansing. that's a sense of entitlement to you? lmao again. those are football conditions. they're not the same week to week. as for the bye weeks? hell one of the psu radio guys i was listening to saturday night heading back to the hotel brought that up, how osu was playing back to back road night games vs teams off a bye. are you saying that doesn't matter? ok. you're speaking like you've never played a down in your life, but that's true for the vast majority of fans. judging a season is subjective. osu and psu did not play the same schedules. both did well. psu beat osu but they both had the same league record. osu had a better overall record. if you make msu your pivot point, psu looks better. make michigan your pivot point and osu looks better. those who think osu has had a better season to date? it's not due to a sense of entitlement. jeez. of course the different variables matter. people are just selective when they use them. ie when psu played osu, all i heard was whining about the non PI call that no one saw until instant replay slowed down the play that may or may not have impacted osu's final drive. but when osu gets away with a probable PI against michigan in OT, i hear nothing from osu fans that that play might impact the final score. instead when i bring up the close calls that went osu's way, i hear "winning that type of game against an arch rival" bs. and the spot given to barrett on 4th and 1 could have easily went either way. oh god. sometimes people only hear what they want to, too. i know i posted twice that harbaugh had a legit beef on what could have been called pi in the 2nd ot. of course, since i'm among the 'entitled', i'm sure it got lost in the noise. are you saying i'm being selective in my descriptions? as for the psu-osu game? that pi looked obvious to me. it wasn't called. it sucks. you move on. as for 'winning that type of game'...? yeah it's different. damn right it's different. these two programs have played every year since 1918. they've ended the regular season every year (i think um played at hawaii once the next week) since 1935. a huge part of the measurement of success for each is whether they won this game. every possession, every mistake, every big play, every penalty called and missed, it's magnified because of who's playing in this game, the stakes which have been present beyond simply bragging rights more often than not, at least for those who've played in it and those who follow the teams. you can try to minimize this all you want, and you'll be wrong every time.
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Post by Walter on Nov 28, 2016 18:57:50 GMT -5
lmao. qualifiers? yeah. try throwing a football 20 yards in a 25 mph wind and let me know how you do. neither team could throw in east lansing. that's a sense of entitlement to you? lmao again. those are football conditions. they're not the same week to week. as for the bye weeks? hell one of the psu radio guys i was listening to saturday night heading back to the hotel brought that up, how osu was playing back to back road night games vs teams off a bye. are you saying that doesn't matter? ok. you're speaking like you've never played a down in your life, but that's true for the vast majority of fans. judging a season is subjective. osu and psu did not play the same schedules. both did well. psu beat osu but they both had the same league record. osu had a better overall record. if you make msu your pivot point, psu looks better. make michigan your pivot point and osu looks better. those who think osu has had a better season to date? it's not due to a sense of entitlement. jeez. of course the different variables matter. people are just selective when they use them. ie when psu played osu, all i heard was whining about the non PI call that no one saw until instant replay slowed down the play that may or may not have impacted osu's final drive. but when osu gets away with a probable PI against michigan in OT, i hear nothing from osu fans that that play might impact the final score. instead when i bring up the close calls that went osu's way, i hear "winning that type of game against an arch rival" bs. and the spot given to barrett on 4th and 1 could have easily went either way. As someone with no dog in the hunt, I think both ideas are important. Unlike the pros, there is often a huge difference between a young team in their early games and a young team in their late games. USC is testament to that. They looked awful against Bama, but though I doubt they'd beat Bama in a mulligan, I think they are playing far better football now than in September and with a few breaks might have a shot. Same for PSU. Young team that has developed over the season. That said, mscott is right as well. Specific conditions and even individual matchups can dictate an outcome that cannot be measured in a stat line.
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Post by Buckeye Dale on Nov 28, 2016 19:10:54 GMT -5
of course the different variables matter. people are just selective when they use them. ie when psu played osu, all i heard was whining about the non PI call that no one saw until instant replay slowed down the play that may or may not have impacted osu's final drive. but when osu gets away with a probable PI against michigan in OT, i hear nothing from osu fans that that play might impact the final score. instead when i bring up the close calls that went osu's way, i hear "winning that type of game against an arch rival" bs. and the spot given to barrett on 4th and 1 could have easily went either way. As someone with no dog in the hunt, I think both ideas are important. Unlike the pros, there is often a huge difference between a young team in their early games and a young team in their late games. USC is testament to that. They looked awful against Bama, but though I doubt they'd beat Bama in a mulligan, I think they are playing far better football now than in September and with a few breaks might have a shot. Same for PSU. Young team that has developed over the season. That said, mscott is right as well. Specific conditions and even individual matchups can dictate an outcome that cannot be measured in a stat line. Oh NOOOO....2002 all over again...
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Post by kaz on Nov 28, 2016 20:35:07 GMT -5
of course the different variables matter. people are just selective when they use them. ie when psu played osu, all i heard was whining about the non PI call that no one saw until instant replay slowed down the play that may or may not have impacted osu's final drive. but when osu gets away with a probable POSSIBLE PI against michigan in OT, i hear nothing from osu fans that that play might impact the final score. instead when i bring up the close calls that went osu's way, i hear "winning that type of game against an arch rival" bs. and the spot given to barrett on 4th and 1 could have easily went either way. Could have been called, the announcer mentioned it. BIG difference between that (non) call the the PI called on MissedAgain. Conley had his hand on the receiver, not doubt. But as the commentator said, he didn't impede the receiver, and there was no movement, as if he HAD hooked the guy. When the PI was called on the wolvies, the DB was draped over Samuel's shoulder, preventing him from raising his arm. Could he have caught the ball? I don't know. But that he was prevented from even attempting to reach caused the flag to be thrown. What commentator are you talking about, that said Conley didn't impede the receiver? The commentator on ABC said they got away with one, and the ref probably didn't see it because he was on the other side of the field. Pretty sure Mark said he was on the same side of the field as the Michigan bench and he saw the same thing. As for Samuel? Yeah, he might have been able to catch that pass... if he was 10 feet tall.
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