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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 5:38:36 GMT -5
My personal definition of neutral is both schools equal distance (or close) from the site of the game and NOT in the same state as one of the teams. Is the Red River Rivalry a neutral game? I'm guessing you advocate it should be played in Maine. Border War rivalries shouldn't be played in one of the states involved? Please email sample of whatever you are smoking, because that's gotta be some good shit. So all border war rivalries must be played in a neutral site?? Is that what you're saying. Go ahead and get Ohio St and Michigan on the phone and let them know that they'll never play each other home and away again and they must play at a neutral site for all time. Lets see how long it takes for them to laugh and hang up on you. I actually like the Texas/OU game. Now, I remember saying that I don't like a neutral game being played in the same state as one of the teams, but I also said they needed to be equal distance apart or close. This game is almost perfect equal distance. In fact, I think OU is a tad closer. Austin is 200 Miles away and Norman is 190 miles. Damn near perfect. I personally like playing at each others stadiums, lets the home crowd get involved. Again, only in Florida fans minds is their game with UGA really considered "neutral"
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Nov 1, 2013 7:25:27 GMT -5
I don't see how distance matters if both sides have roughly the same number of fans in the seats...
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Post by oujour76 on Nov 1, 2013 10:02:00 GMT -5
I don't see how distance matters if both sides have roughly the same number of fans in the seats...[/quote I think it matters. Maybe not as much as Mike says and maybe more than the Florida folks would admit, but it still matters. For example, from my observation one of the things that makes the Red River Shootout a neutral site is that the game is 200 miles away from each campus.
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Post by canefan on Nov 1, 2013 12:13:45 GMT -5
So you are a better authority than Georgia fans? The tickets are split 50-50, the fans in the stands are 50-50. UGA has been fine with the game being there for 80 years. Why does where UF play their games annoy you so much? It has no impact on you. Then again, I have to remember that on this board, any game UF plays in the state of Florida is a home game. e.q., playing 400 miles away from campus at Miami doesn't count as an away OOC game. Again, I've never said I was an authority. and where Florida plays their games does have an impact on my team. Florida gets to play all their games at home or within the state lines and no one calls them out on it. Meanwhile, Ohio st gets bashed for a weak schedule when we are traveling all over the country to play anyone anywhere. its complete BS. Yep, if you're inside Florida. You're damn right. What if Ohio St played all its "road" games in Cleveland, Dayton, and Youngstown. Would you think those were road games? I saw something a few weeks ago that made me laugh, litterally laugh. When Florida had to play at Missouri, it was only the 3rd time since WORLD WAR 2 that Florida had played north of the Mason-Dixon line. 3rd time in 70+ years. PATHETIC Whine, whine, whine. What difference does it make? Florida teams, other than FSU, which is really located in southern Alabama, are unique in that we are down here in the bottom corner or the country. What is it from Gainesville to the University of Arkansas, or Kentucky? Eight hundred to a thousand miles? Try drawing a radius from the U of Washington out a thousand miles and see how many of their opponents fall outside that arc. Do one for Columbus the same way. I checked the OSU schedule for the past several years and yall haven't exactly been racking up the frequent flyer miles.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 12:21:47 GMT -5
Again, I've never said I was an authority. and where Florida plays their games does have an impact on my team. Florida gets to play all their games at home or within the state lines and no one calls them out on it. Meanwhile, Ohio st gets bashed for a weak schedule when we are traveling all over the country to play anyone anywhere. its complete BS. Yep, if you're inside Florida. You're damn right. What if Ohio St played all its "road" games in Cleveland, Dayton, and Youngstown. Would you think those were road games? I saw something a few weeks ago that made me laugh, litterally laugh. When Florida had to play at Missouri, it was only the 3rd time since WORLD WAR 2 that Florida had played north of the Mason-Dixon line. 3rd time in 70+ years. PATHETIC Whine, whine, whine. What difference does it make? Florida teams, other than FSU, which is really located in southern Alabama, are unique in that we are down here in the bottom corner or the country. What is it from Gainesville to the University of Arkansas, or Kentucky? Eight hundred to a thousand miles? Try drawing a radius from the U of Washington out a thousand miles and see how many of their opponents fall outside that arc. Do one for Columbus the same way. I checked the OSU schedule for the past several years and yall haven't exactly been racking up the frequent flyer miles. Are you f-ing high?!?!? Ohio St since 2002 has traveled to Washington, Texas, NC State, USC, Miami FL, Cal Over the next 10 we are going to Virginia Tech, Navy, Oklahoma, Texas, TCU, North Carolina, Oregon, Boston College Get a clue
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Post by Walter on Nov 1, 2013 14:02:30 GMT -5
Again, I've never said I was an authority. and where Florida plays their games does have an impact on my team. Florida gets to play all their games at home or within the state lines and no one calls them out on it. Meanwhile, Ohio st gets bashed for a weak schedule when we are traveling all over the country to play anyone anywhere. its complete BS. Yep, if you're inside Florida. You're damn right. What if Ohio St played all its "road" games in Cleveland, Dayton, and Youngstown. Would you think those were road games? I saw something a few weeks ago that made me laugh, litterally laugh. When Florida had to play at Missouri, it was only the 3rd time since WORLD WAR 2 that Florida had played north of the Mason-Dixon line. 3rd time in 70+ years. PATHETIC Whine, whine, whine. What difference does it make? Florida teams, other than FSU, which is really located in southern Alabama, are unique in that we are down here in the bottom corner or the country. What is it from Gainesville to the University of Arkansas, or Kentucky? Eight hundred to a thousand miles? Try drawing a radius from the U of Washington out a thousand miles and see how many of their opponents fall outside that arc. Do one for Columbus the same way. I checked the OSU schedule for the past several years and yall haven't exactly been racking up the frequent flyer miles. What difference does it make? Really? Tell you what....Load your team up and send them 3 time zones away and see what happens...If you don't think it matters, you aren't paying attention. That stat about the Mason-Dixon line, if true, is a really stunning testament to...hmmm....shall we charitably call it..."opponent selectivity"? BTW....out of curiosity, was is UF's regular season record in games played above the M-D?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 14:11:49 GMT -5
I don't see how distance matters if both sides have roughly the same number of fans in the seats... So if Team A has to travel 1,000 miles to play team B who has to travel 20 miles, thats all neutral to you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 14:14:36 GMT -5
Whine, whine, whine. What difference does it make? Florida teams, other than FSU, which is really located in southern Alabama, are unique in that we are down here in the bottom corner or the country. What is it from Gainesville to the University of Arkansas, or Kentucky? Eight hundred to a thousand miles? Try drawing a radius from the U of Washington out a thousand miles and see how many of their opponents fall outside that arc. Do one for Columbus the same way. I checked the OSU schedule for the past several years and yall haven't exactly been racking up the frequent flyer miles. What difference does it make? Really? Tell you what....Load your team up and send them 3 time zones away and see what happens...If you don't think it matters, you aren't paying attention. That stat about the Mason-Dixon line, if true, is a really stunning testament to...hmmm....shall we charitably call it..."opponent selectivity"? BTW....out of curiosity, was is UF's regular season record in games played above the M-D? 1-2 now Since WWII And one of those games was in a dome, BTW
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Post by trnyerheadncough on Nov 1, 2013 14:19:05 GMT -5
I don't see how distance matters if both sides have roughly the same number of fans in the seats... So if Team A has to travel 1,000 miles to play team B who has to travel 20 miles, thats all neutral to you. If Team A has 80,000 fans in the stadium and Team B has 10,000 despite travelling 20 miles....is it still your position that Team B has a decided advantage due to geographic location?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 14:19:58 GMT -5
So if Team A has to travel 1,000 miles to play team B who has to travel 20 miles, thats all neutral to you. If Team A has 80,000 fans in the stadium and Team B has 10,000 despite travelling 20 miles....is it still your position that Team B has a decided advantage due to geographic location? Maybe
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 14:27:40 GMT -5
41-14 UF over tOSU was 3 times zones away. It was played in tOSU's home away from home and the fan split was something like 65:35 in favor of tOSU.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 14:30:56 GMT -5
41-14 UF over tOSU was 3 times zones away. It was played in tOSU's home away from home and the fan split was something like 65:35 in favor of tOSU. See, in a neutral field the crowd advantage doesn't mean a win. Thanks ET
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Post by mscott59 on Nov 1, 2013 14:32:05 GMT -5
Whine, whine, whine. What difference does it make? Florida teams, other than FSU, which is really located in southern Alabama, are unique in that we are down here in the bottom corner or the country. What is it from Gainesville to the University of Arkansas, or Kentucky? Eight hundred to a thousand miles? Try drawing a radius from the U of Washington out a thousand miles and see how many of their opponents fall outside that arc. Do one for Columbus the same way. I checked the OSU schedule for the past several years and yall haven't exactly been racking up the frequent flyer miles. What difference does it make? Really? Tell you what....Load your team up and send them 3 time zones away and see what happens...If you don't think it matters, you aren't paying attention. That stat about the Mason-Dixon line, if true, is a really stunning testament to...hmmm....shall we charitably call it..."opponent selectivity"? BTW....out of curiosity, was is UF's regular season record in games played above the M-D? since canefan's likely more concerned about miami's travel schedule than uf's... might want to ask someone else about it. the fact remains that even a 'neutral site' game for the gators is closer to gainesville than osu is to cleveland. it's still unique not just among elite programs of recent memory, but any d-1 program. as for osu's travel schedule? i can promise you we didn't drive out to berkeley this year. chicago's a 6 hr drive (which i did make), purdue's about 3 or 3 1/2 hrs, champaign's almost 6 hrs, ann arbor a little under 4. the team flew to the cal and n'western games; they'll fly to illinois, and typically will bus out/fly back for games within 4 hrs like west lafayette and michigan. there is no easy way, by air or car, to get to state college, which is 6+ hrs from here. madison is about an 8 hr drive. team flies for both of those. in '11 we were in miami (in college that was a 24 hr trip) and lincoln, which is a little less than half that amount. we were at usc in '08, at washington in '07, at texas in '06. how far back you want to go? and again, uf going to fayetteville or lexington is not by choice; it's assigned by the sec schedule makers. we're talking about the game they schedule on their own. as for the uf/uga game, i love the fact that they play it in jacksonville every year. that's one of the unique traditions in cfb... like army-navy playing in philly every year. but it is a 5 and half hour drive from athens, ga to the gator bowl (gator bowl? is that a neutral name? kidding). that's akin to illinois playing osu every year in dayton, and calling it a neutral site. at least from a distance standpoint. that said, dawg fans continue to flock to n fla every year for the game, and until that changes or either school starts barking about losing a home date every other year... that tradition's not changing. if both schools like it that way, and it's obvious they do, than it's ok w/me. but it sure does seem easier to manage from the fla standpoint than it does from georgia's. mark scott tosu 81
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Post by mscott59 on Nov 1, 2013 14:35:06 GMT -5
41-14 UF over tOSU was 3 times zones away. It was played in tOSU's home away from home and the fan split was something like 65:35 in favor of tOSU. did uf schedule going to glendale prior to the beginning of the '06 season, et? still amuses me that that is the comeback to this topic from you. and having gone to that game, i can assure you the split in fans was not 65-35. maybe 55-45 osu. maybe. probably not that even that big an edge. mark scott tosu 81
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Post by Walter on Nov 1, 2013 14:39:50 GMT -5
41-14 UF over tOSU was 3 times zones away. It was played in tOSU's home away from home and the fan split was something like 65:35 in favor of tOSU. EEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! Sorry, that is not regular season. That's get on an airplane and get to venue a dozen days, not ONE day, before the game. No comparison. No, no...there is an NCAA rule that says a team cannot leave for an away game more than 48 hours from the kickoff, IIRC... THAT is what we're talking about here. And Florida flat out refuses to do it, unlike any other D1a team in America. As far as I know, they are unique in this over the past 20-30 years.
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