CARDALE JONES DRAFTED LATE BY BUFFALO

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      Maybe the Bills will use Cardale Jones as a TE or OT.  If I were an NFL CB, I wouldn't want to cover Cardale Jones at TE.

[oldgraylady]

Apr 30, 2016 19:06:39 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

      Maybe the Bills will use Cardale Jones as a TE or OT.  If I were an NFL CB, I wouldn't want to cover Cardale Jones at TE.

(sigh) I suppose Cardale Jones is just something to be "used."

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Apr 30, 2016 19:22:38 GMT -5 oldgraylady said:

Apr 30, 2016 19:06:39 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

      Maybe the Bills will use Cardale Jones as a TE or OT.  If I were an NFL CB, I wouldn't want to cover Cardale Jones at TE.

(sigh) I suppose Cardale Jones is just something to be "used."

OGL,

    Isn't that true of every NFL player?

    These guys are somewhat like the ancient Roman gladiators-- except for the fact that the gladiatores were slaves, who fought to death in the arena.

[oujour76]

Apr 30, 2016 19:06:39 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

      Maybe the Bills will use Cardale Jones as a TE or OT.  If I were an NFL CB, I wouldn't want to cover Cardale Jones at TE.

You might crack your helmet.

[oldgraylady]

Apr 30, 2016 21:27:56 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Apr 30, 2016 19:22:38 GMT -5 oldgraylady said:

(sigh) I suppose Cardale Jones is just something to be "used."

OGL,

    Isn't that true of every NFL player?

    These guys are somewhat like the ancient Roman gladiators-- except for the fact that the gladiatores were slaves, who fought to death in the arena.

The NFL draft process is a disgusting spectacle. These young men are stripped down so they can parade around having their "buyers"
inspect their bodies and ask the most personal questions--e.g. "Is your mother a prostitute?"

Players take the Wonderlic test and have results "leaked" to the public. Then during the televised NFL draft, they go through the anticipation, anxiety, and doubt that goes with the draft.

These guys are human beings--not livestock; not circus performers. The players have feelings too. It does seem like a form of paid slavery and the players risk their health, their minds, their families' stability. Let us not talk about how to "use " them. It's disgusting.

[mscott59]

Apr 30, 2016 23:25:15 GMT -5 oldgraylady said:

Apr 30, 2016 21:27:56 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

OGL,

    Isn't that true of every NFL player?

    These guys are somewhat like the ancient Roman gladiators-- except for the fact that the gladiatores were slaves, who fought to death in the arena.

The NFL draft process is a disgusting spectacle. These young men are stripped down so they can parade around having their "buyers"
inspect their bodies and ask the most personal questions--e.g. "Is your mother a prostitute?"

Players take the Wonderlic test and have results "leaked" to the public. Then during the televised NFL draft, they go through the anticipation, anxiety, and doubt that goes with the draft.

These guys are human beings--not livestock; not circus performers. The players have feelings too. It does seem like a form of paid slavery and the players risk their health, their minds, their families' stability. Let us not talk about how to "use " them. It's disgusting.

in one form or another, that kind of 'spectacle' has been a part of sport/athletics since the beginning of time. there's a lot more science to it today than the art of the past, but the end result is the same. and the athletes have trained since the beginning to be measured based on their physical and mental skills. it's their resume, and the analogy to those in the business world, health world, public sector, education etc go thru a pretty similar set of checks and balances when they get hired. lots and lots of us get measured on those skills and performance. the biggest change is that athletes of color have become a part of the process.

[Walter]

May 1, 2016 13:30:35 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Apr 30, 2016 23:25:15 GMT -5 oldgraylady said:

The NFL draft process is a disgusting spectacle. These young men are stripped down so they can parade around having their "buyers"
inspect their bodies and ask the most personal questions--e.g. "Is your mother a prostitute?"

Players take the Wonderlic test and have results "leaked" to the public. Then during the televised NFL draft, they go through the anticipation, anxiety, and doubt that goes with the draft.

These guys are human beings--not livestock; not circus performers. The players have feelings too. It does seem like a form of paid slavery and the players risk their health, their minds, their families' stability. Let us not talk about how to "use " them. It's disgusting.

in one form or another, that kind of 'spectacle' has been a part of sport/athletics since the beginning of time. there's a lot more science to it today than the art of the past, but the end result is the same. and the athletes have trained since the beginning to be measured based on their physical and mental skills. it's their resume, and the analogy to those in the business world, health world, public sector, education etc go thru a pretty similar set of checks and balances when they get hired. lots and lots of us get measured on those skills and performance. the biggest change is that athletes of color have become a part of the process.

That isn't quite true. I heard a story on the radio about Mychael Thompson, father of Clay, and former NBA star for Portland and the Lakers. He was the first pick in the 1978 NBA draft, and tells the story that he found out about it the next day, when the Portland GM called him on the phone. Until that call, he had no way of knowing what had happened.

[daleko]

Apr 30, 2016 23:25:15 GMT -5 oldgraylady said:

Apr 30, 2016 21:27:56 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

The NFL draft process is a disgusting spectacle. These young men are stripped down so they can parade around having their "buyers"
inspect their bodies and ask the most personal questions--e.g. "Is your mother a prostitute?"

Players take the Wonderlic test and have results "leaked" to the public. Then during the televised NFL draft, they go through the anticipation, anxiety, and doubt that goes with the draft.

These guys are human beings--not livestock; not circus performers. The players have feelings too. It does seem like a form of paid slavery and the players risk their health, their minds, their families' stability. Let us not talk about how to "use " them. It's disgusting.

All for a cpl of million/yr. They could be selling class rings for $40K/yr and bypass the "embarrassment".

[daleko]

Apr 30, 2016 19:06:39 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

      Maybe the Bills will use Cardale Jones as a TE or OT.  If I were an NFL CB, I wouldn't want to cover Cardale Jones at TE.

I'm surprised Denver didn't draft him as a QB in the 1st round. They have some experience doing that.

[cbisbig]

Apr 30, 2016 23:25:15 GMT -5 oldgraylady said:

Apr 30, 2016 21:27:56 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

OGL,

    Isn't that true of every NFL player?

    These guys are somewhat like the ancient Roman gladiators-- except for the fact that the gladiatores were slaves, who fought to death in the arena.

The NFL draft process is a disgusting spectacle. These young men are stripped down so they can parade around having their "buyers"
inspect their bodies and ask the most personal questions--e.g. "Is your mother a prostitute?"

Players take the Wonderlic test and have results "leaked" to the public. Then during the televised NFL draft, they go through the anticipation, anxiety, and doubt that goes with the draft.

These guys are human beings--not livestock; not circus performers. The players have feelings too. It does seem like a form of paid slavery and the players risk their health, their minds, their families' stability. Let us not talk about how to "use " them. It's disgusting.


The thing is they all want to be there, most have dreamed of it as a child and will finally have those dreams come true. I'm sure every guy at the combine (and some that weren't) and every player taken in the draft (as well as the hundreds of free agents signed after the draft)would strongly disagree with you.

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May 1, 2016 19:53:13 GMT -5 daleko said:

Apr 30, 2016 19:06:39 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

      Maybe the Bills will use Cardale Jones as a TE or OT.  If I were an NFL CB, I wouldn't want to cover Cardale Jones at TE.

I'm surprised Denver didn't draft him as a QB in the 1st round. They have some experience doing that.

       True, Velveeta.  The last QB Denver drafted in the first round took them to the playoffs--after the team started 1-4 with Kyle Orton-- and upset the heavily-favored Steelers in a Wild Card game.

       After that brilliant start, the guy was blackballed from the NFL for being a devout Christian-- the one unforgivable sin in the modern world.

[mscott59]

May 1, 2016 17:53:59 GMT -5 Walter said:

May 1, 2016 13:30:35 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

in one form or another, that kind of 'spectacle' has been a part of sport/athletics since the beginning of time. there's a lot more science to it today than the art of the past, but the end result is the same. and the athletes have trained since the beginning to be measured based on their physical and mental skills. it's their resume, and the analogy to those in the business world, health world, public sector, education etc go thru a pretty similar set of checks and balances when they get hired. lots and lots of us get measured on those skills and performance. the biggest change is that athletes of color have become a part of the process.

That isn't quite true. I heard a story on the radio about Mychael Thompson, father of Clay, and former NBA star for Portland and the Lakers. He was the first pick in the 1978 NBA draft, and tells the story that he found out about it the next day, when the Portland GM called him on the phone. Until that call, he had no way of knowing what had happened.

The players may not have been as involved with on site tests, training, etc, but they were chosen after being evaluated for their accomplishments and their potential growth as a player. Like I said, there's a lot more science and stats now. Same concept.

[oldgraylady]

Apr 30, 2016 23:25:15 GMT -5 oldgraylady said:

Apr 30, 2016 21:27:56 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

OGL,

    Isn't that true of every NFL player?

    These guys are somewhat like the ancient Roman gladiators-- except for the fact that the gladiatores were slaves, who fought to death in the arena.

The NFL draft process is a disgusting spectacle. These young men are stripped down so they can parade around having their "buyers"
inspect their bodies and ask the most personal questions--e.g. "Is your mother a prostitute?"

Players take the Wonderlic test and have results "leaked" to the public. Then during the televised NFL draft, they go through the anticipation, anxiety, and doubt that goes with the draft.

These guys are human beings--not livestock; not circus performers. The players have feelings too. It does seem like a form of paid slavery and the players risk their health, their minds, their families' stability. Let us not talk about how to "use " them. It's disgusting.

Yes, but I don't like it. I don't like it at all. I wish all these players, starting at the pee wee level, had a "plan b." I don't want to be a dreamslayer, but these players must be told that, for most of them, playing in the NFL is unlikely. Players and players families must also be informed of the risks associated with concussions and other injuries. Some of the things that go on in the NFL are not pretty. These guys and their families need to understand that they must prepare for a life after football.