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Post by snap infraction on May 11, 2016 7:14:32 GMT -5
about a year ago, i was called to jury duty in the city of philadelphia. entering the day, i expected that if i were called, it'd likely be for some sort of non violent petty drug crime. i didn't expect to be selected for anything more serious. when my number was called, i had to go to the trial room where the judge was going to review the case with all the potential jurors. i saw a young man sitting in the defendants seat. when i saw him, i figured it was likely he was being accused of selling or possession of some sort of illegal substance. the judge went on to explain that he was accused of sexual assault of a 7 year old girl. as soon as i heard the charge, i became furious. w/o hearing any evidence or testimony, i made up my mind that he was guilty. after the judge went over the charges, we all went into a room where we had to wait to be called to be questioned by the lawyers. i was one of a small handful of people not even selected to be questioned. i think it was b/c i was by far the best dressed person (seriously, it is unbelievable how sloppy and little pride people take in their appearance). i sat in that room as about 40 people were being called one by one w/o access to my phone or a magazine or anything to help pass the time besides making quiet small talk with random strangers. i have no idea if that guy was found guilty or not. but the lesson i learned that day was that he as guilty in my eyes just baed on the accusation crimes against children are the worst. they enrage us and they blind us. they are so awful that even the accusation of it removes any benefit of the doubt. joe paterno could have been accused of literally anything else and everybody would have given him the benefit of the doubt. but he was accused of helping someone hurt children which (rightly) infuriates people. based on recent media accounts, joe paterno found out about sandusky is about 1971 when sandusky was an assistant linebackers coach. but paterno didn't just conceal and harbor sandusky... paterno actually promoted him to the most 2nd most highly visible coaching positions on the coaching staff of a big time program. even though paterno was not the only one who knew about sandusky. he still took this risk. paterno is a guy who passed up multiple opportunities to coach elsewhere for more money, who donated a significant portion of his net worth to build a library, who lived in the same modest house for his entire adult life and spent his entire career teaching college aged men how to be contributors to society and he did all this while knowingly concealing a pedophile for decades. i'm sorry if i don't buy the narrative. i'm sorry that i fine this all to be preposterous. maybe i have a blind spot b/c i grew up as an ardent penn state fan. i just don't see it. first, congrats on serving jury duty when asked. there are many people who do all they can to opt out of that responsibility as a u.s. citizen. i'm glad you didn't. re sandusky, here are my final comments on this thread. 1. i touched upon this when this first resurfaced; there is some irony that psu, who's made no secret of its effort to reach confidential financial settlements with many of the alleged victims, to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, got into more hot water because the university tried to pawn off that bill to its insurance company. that move takes away much of the 'magnanimous' aspect in my eyes. it also opened the door for more information, no matter how trite, to get aired back in the public domain. if judged on nothing else but pr strategy, that was a horrible mistake, compounded by the psu president basically saying any claims aren't true because, well, paterno is gone and can't defend himself against them. 2. based on your stance all along that sandusky 'fooled' people for decades, hiding his inner demons (which is becoming harder and harder to believe imho)... take the last paragraph you wrote about paterno, and substitute sandusky's name; how does it read now? sandusky passed up multiple opportunities to coach elsewhere (true), donated a significant part of his net worth (2nd mile instead of library), lived in the same modest house (true, i believe), and spent his entire career teaching college aged men how to be contributors to society (again, until his retirement and then the abuse becoming public, true). all the while knowingly concealing that he was a pedophile (instead of concealing one... rue). you find that entire narrative preposterous when it comes to paterno, but for sandusky you found it plausible. i didn't know you could opt out of jury duty? sorry that these are your final comments. i enjoy the discussion here. but it is prob a good time for me to drop the discussion too. i am leaving for my honeymoon (french polynesia!!). you and others here are for more reasonable on this debate. check out some internet comments on the story on deadspin, biglead or other websites. they are incredibly vile and it is disheartening to read such ignorance. it seems that as more (mis?)information is released, people just feel even more strongly about what they already believed. paterno defenders will not change their minds until more ironclad evidence is introduced and on the other side, paterno will not viewed more positively by others unless there is a complete exoneration of sandusky (which will not happen). i do however think as time goes on, it will become more and more obvious that the ncaa's involvement was incredibly idiotic. people will see that mark emmert sacrificed future credibility of the ncaa for immediate short term positive press. i already see it with UNC fans and Ole Miss who are both about to get punished. The fans of both these schools are comparing their schools alleged crimes to what happened at Penn State and believe their punishment should be as proportional to the severity of their alleged crimes verse Penn State's. |
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Post by oujour76 on May 11, 2016 9:21:03 GMT -5
i am leaving for my honeymoon (french polynesia!!).
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Post by snap infraction on May 11, 2016 10:30:10 GMT -5
i am leaving for my honeymoon (french polynesia!!).
we have reservations there already. was told by multiple people that it's a must do. also made reservations at lagoon and a sushi place. will prob find out what $50 spicy tuna rolls taste like. |
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Post by mscott59 on May 11, 2016 11:30:58 GMT -5
first, congrats on serving jury duty when asked. there are many people who do all they can to opt out of that responsibility as a u.s. citizen. i'm glad you didn't. re sandusky, here are my final comments on this thread. 1. i touched upon this when this first resurfaced; there is some irony that psu, who's made no secret of its effort to reach confidential financial settlements with many of the alleged victims, to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, got into more hot water because the university tried to pawn off that bill to its insurance company. that move takes away much of the 'magnanimous' aspect in my eyes. it also opened the door for more information, no matter how trite, to get aired back in the public domain. if judged on nothing else but pr strategy, that was a horrible mistake, compounded by the psu president basically saying any claims aren't true because, well, paterno is gone and can't defend himself against them. 2. based on your stance all along that sandusky 'fooled' people for decades, hiding his inner demons (which is becoming harder and harder to believe imho)... take the last paragraph you wrote about paterno, and substitute sandusky's name; how does it read now? sandusky passed up multiple opportunities to coach elsewhere (true), donated a significant part of his net worth (2nd mile instead of library), lived in the same modest house (true, i believe), and spent his entire career teaching college aged men how to be contributors to society (again, until his retirement and then the abuse becoming public, true). all the while knowingly concealing that he was a pedophile (instead of concealing one... rue). you find that entire narrative preposterous when it comes to paterno, but for sandusky you found it plausible. i didn't know you could opt out of jury duty? sorry that these are your final comments. i enjoy the discussion here. but it is prob a good time for me to drop the discussion too. i am leaving for my honeymoon (french polynesia!!). you and others here are for more reasonable on this debate. check out some internet comments on the story on deadspin, biglead or other websites. they are incredibly vile and it is disheartening to read such ignorance. it seems that as more (mis?)information is released, people just feel even more strongly about what they already believed. paterno defenders will not change their minds until more ironclad evidence is introduced and on the other side, paterno will not viewed more positively by others unless there is a complete exoneration of sandusky (which will not happen). i do however think as time goes on, it will become more and more obvious that the ncaa's involvement was incredibly idiotic. people will see that mark emmert sacrificed future credibility of the ncaa for immediate short term positive press. i already see it with UNC fans and Ole Miss who are both about to get punished. The fans of both these schools are comparing their schools alleged crimes to what happened at Penn State and believe their punishment should be as proportional to the severity of their alleged crimes verse Penn State's. safe travels to the islands.... hope it's a great trip. |
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Post by oujour76 on May 11, 2016 14:24:49 GMT -5
Spent a week in Bora Bora a few years back. Beautiful place. If you're there and get a chance you might want to try a place called Bloody Mary's.
we have reservations there already. was told by multiple people that it's a must do. also made reservations at lagoon and a sushi place. will prob find out what $50 spicy tuna rolls taste like. |
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