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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 15:14:56 GMT -5
I'll repeat: S&W doesn't make a rugged M-14 clone. Ruger does. The Mini-14 is based on the same action as the M-1 Garand and M-14. S&W copies the more clog-prone AR action. The older, steel ARs S&W made were great. They switched to lighter weight, less expensive models to meet the high volume, market niche of $500-$750 models. Colt went the same direction for their mass market ARs. Never liked the minni. Until they retooled back about 5 yrs, they were inaccurate. Today, much better. But at around $1,000, starting MSRP, they don't meet the market niche. If you can't find a Mini-14 Tactical in the $7-800 range, you aren't looking too hard. Mini's aren't built by every Tom Dick and Harry, so you know there is no deviance in quality. You pay for a Ruger, you get the RUGER excellence of quality. You get what you pay for. And I personally prefer the look of the Mini-14 over the AR, but that is a purely subjective thing. www.gunbroker.com/item/628030941www.gunbroker.com/item/628264381www.gunbroker.com/item/628264409I needed some receiver fill screws for mine. I called Ruger, and a week later they were at my door. FREE. I am hardly the original owner, too. Try that with an AR builder. Ruger's customer service can't be beat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 15:44:29 GMT -5
The older, steel ARs S&W made were great. They switched to lighter weight, less expensive models to meet the high volume, market niche of $500-$750 models. Colt went the same direction for their mass market ARs. Never liked the minni. Until they retooled back about 5 yrs, they were inaccurate. Today, much better. But at around $1,000, starting MSRP, they don't meet the market niche. If you can't find a Mini-14 Tactical in the $7-800 range, you aren't looking too hard. Mini's aren't built by every Tom Dick and Harry, so you know there is no deviance in quality. You pay for a Ruger, you get the RUGER excellence of quality. You get what you pay for. And I personally prefer the look of the Mini-14 over the AR, but that is a purely subjective thing. www.gunbroker.com/item/628030941www.gunbroker.com/item/628264381www.gunbroker.com/item/628264409I needed some receiver fill screws for mine. I called Ruger, and a week later they were at my door. FREE. I am hardly the original owner, too. Try that with an AR builder. Ruger's customer service can't be beat.Wait until you need a new firing pin.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 15:52:19 GMT -5
If you can't find a Mini-14 Tactical in the $7-800 range, you aren't looking too hard. Mini's aren't built by every Tom Dick and Harry, so you know there is no deviance in quality. You pay for a Ruger, you get the RUGER excellence of quality. You get what you pay for. And I personally prefer the look of the Mini-14 over the AR, but that is a purely subjective thing. www.gunbroker.com/item/628030941www.gunbroker.com/item/628264381www.gunbroker.com/item/628264409I needed some receiver fill screws for mine. I called Ruger, and a week later they were at my door. FREE. I am hardly the original owner, too. Try that with an AR builder. Ruger's customer service can't be beat. Wait until you need a new firing pin. What's the problem? Find the aftermarket supplier of your choice and buy one. Install it. You're back in business. Best case scenario, buy 2 before you need them (which might be never) and keep them with the spare parts you also have on hand for ALL your guns. Guns break. Instead of buying all that ammo, get the more common replacement parts for your guns before you need them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 16:03:22 GMT -5
Wait until you need a new firing pin. What's the problem? Find the aftermarket supplier of your choice and buy one. Install it. You're back in business. Best case scenario, buy 2 before you need them (which might be never) and keep them with the spare parts you also have on hand for ALL your guns. Guns break. Instead of buying all that ammo, get the more common replacement parts for your guns before you need them.
Wrong, Professor Knowitall. Ruger firing pins must be fitted and Ruger won't sell you one. You have to send them the gun (they won't fit one without the receiver) and pay for everything. Oh you can buy an aftermarket firing pin that's a POS and won't be fitted properly. Your move.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 18:59:03 GMT -5
What's the problem? Find the aftermarket supplier of your choice and buy one. Install it. You're back in business. Best case scenario, buy 2 before you need them (which might be never) and keep them with the spare parts you also have on hand for ALL your guns. Guns break. Instead of buying all that ammo, get the more common replacement parts for your guns before you need them.
Wrong, Professor Knowitall. Ruger firing pins must be fitted and Ruger won't sell you one. You have to send them the gun (they won't fit one without the receiver) and pay for everything. Oh you can buy an aftermarket firing pin that's a POS and won't be fitted properly. Your move. My move is ........ I don't abuse my guns and break firing pins. Secondly, if you can't hand fit your own firing pin on a typical semiautomatic, you shouldn't own any guns. You claim to be an AR builder and can't fit a Ruger firing pin? Now THAT is rich!!
I wonder how many aftermarket POS parts there are for AR's, 1911's, and many other common firearms? I don't know it ALL, but I know a helluva lot more than you do.
Your move.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 19:17:56 GMT -5
Wrong, Professor Knowitall. Ruger firing pins must be fitted and Ruger won't sell you one. You have to send them the gun (they won't fit one without the receiver) and pay for everything. Oh you can buy an aftermarket firing pin that's a POS and won't be fitted properly. Your move. My move is ........ I don't abuse my guns and break firing pins. Secondly, if you can't hand fit your own firing pin on a typical semiautomatic, you shouldn't own any guns. You claim to be an AR builder and can't fit a Ruger firing pin? Now THAT is rich!!
I wonder how many aftermarket POS parts there are for AR's, 1911's, and many other common firearms? I don't know it ALL, but I know a helluva lot more than you do.
Your move.Mutt, you ignorant mutt. Good luck with pierced primers, genius.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 19:26:19 GMT -5
My move is ........ I don't abuse my guns and break firing pins. Secondly, if you can't hand fit your own firing pin on a typical semiautomatic, you shouldn't own any guns. You claim to be an AR builder and can't fit a Ruger firing pin? Now THAT is rich!!
I wonder how many aftermarket POS parts there are for AR's, 1911's, and many other common firearms? I don't know it ALL, but I know a helluva lot more than you do.
Your move. Mutt, you ignorant mutt. Good luck with pierced primers, genius. I said "fit" didn't I? That includes proper length and the proper strength firing pin return spring. You've never worked on a gun in your life, have you? It's a slow process that requires precision. It's not a job for you ham-handed clowns.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 20:29:54 GMT -5
Mutt, you ignorant mutt. Good luck with pierced primers, genius. I said "fit" didn't I? That includes proper length and the proper strength firing pin return spring. You've never worked on a gun in your life, have you? It's a slow process that requires precision. It's not a job for you ham-handed clowns.Wow, an actual gunsmith with experience working on Mini-14s! Congratulations, genius. Oh, and by the way ---->
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 22:28:52 GMT -5
I said "fit" didn't I? That includes proper length and the proper strength firing pin return spring. You've never worked on a gun in your life, have you? It's a slow process that requires precision. It's not a job for you ham-handed clowns. Wow, an actual gunsmith with experience working on Mini-14s! Congratulations, genius. Oh, and by the way ----> My Mini-14 hasn't NEEDED any work. It functions flawlessly. Very few of my guns ever need work, because 1) I don't buy crap, and 2) I take care of my guns. I have done some action work on some S&W revolvers and several of my 1911's over the years, and never had a problem. I also know when NOT to work on my own guns, if such a situation ever arose.
Don't let me have to remind you that you have NEVER shown a picture of yourself holding so much as a Red Ryder BB gun. I actually think you are the Willie Wunderlich of the gun world.
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Post by daleko on Mar 10, 2017 17:53:36 GMT -5
What's the problem? Find the aftermarket supplier of your choice and buy one. Install it. You're back in business. Best case scenario, buy 2 before you need them (which might be never) and keep them with the spare parts you also have on hand for ALL your guns. Guns break. Instead of buying all that ammo, get the more common replacement parts for your guns before you need them.
Wrong, Professor Knowitall. Ruger firing pins must be fitted and Ruger won't sell you one. You have to send them the gun (they won't fit one without the receiver) and pay for everything. Oh you can buy an aftermarket firing pin that's a POS and won't be fitted properly. Your move. Buy an oversized one from Glend Arms, oversize in terms of length to be compatible with all of the different Mini-14 series variations. Use an empty case, some scotch tape. A little adjustment. Done. www.midwayusa.com/product/988708/glend-arms-oversize-firing-pin-ruger-mini-14
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 18:09:16 GMT -5
Wrong, Professor Knowitall. Ruger firing pins must be fitted and Ruger won't sell you one. You have to send them the gun (they won't fit one without the receiver) and pay for everything. Oh you can buy an aftermarket firing pin that's a POS and won't be fitted properly. Your move. Buy an oversized one from Glend Arms, oversize in terms of length to be compatible with all of the different Mini-14 series variations. Use an empty case, some scotch tape. A little adjustment. Done. www.midwayusa.com/product/988708/glend-arms-oversize-firing-pin-ruger-mini-14 Yes. When you know how a weapon's mechanism works, and you know how to work on firearms (slowly, carefully and diligently), you CAN do your own fitting and replacement of parts. There have been reports of aftermarket firing pins being made of too-soft steel, so it's only a matter of doing your own research and finding the ones that ARE of high quality. Right now, Ruger's factory firing pins may be the best quality available, but that can change over time.
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Post by bamorin on Mar 10, 2017 18:20:48 GMT -5
According to your thinking, the only true 1911's are made by Colt, Remington Rand, Union Switch and Signal, and several other military contractors. You are wrong. don't forget Singer.........the sewing machine company........if you can find one, you can stay retired, but drive something much nicer than that dodge.
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Post by daleko on Mar 10, 2017 18:26:49 GMT -5
Yes. When you know how a weapon's mechanism works, and you know how to work on firearms (slowly, carefully and diligently), you CAN do your own fitting and replacement of parts. There have been reports of aftermarket firing pins being made of too-soft steel, so it's only a matter of doing your own research and finding the ones that ARE of high quality. Right now, Ruger's factory firing pins may be the best quality available, but that can change over time. As you probably know you need a bit of both in a pin; harder back and a softer, than the back, front. A too hard front and you run the risk of fracturing the pin, breaking off and lodging it in the bolt w a possibility of an accidental discharge. Some commercial aftermarket pins don't consider this issue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 18:48:05 GMT -5
According to your thinking, the only true 1911's are made by Colt, Remington Rand, Union Switch and Signal, and several other military contractors. You are wrong. don't forget Singer.........the sewing machine company........if you can find one, you can stay retired, but drive something much nicer than that dodge. Yeah, I forgot Singer and there may be more I overlooked. The wartime effort was huge.
We had General Motors making AIRPLANES. The Navy made it easy by designating their G.M. planes with an M as in TBM Avenger, compared to the TBF Avenger built by Grumman. J was used to designate North American Aviation, as in the SNJ Trainer (Army AT-6) and the FJ-2 Fury (basically a USAF F-86).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 18:55:08 GMT -5
Yes. When you know how a weapon's mechanism works, and you know how to work on firearms (slowly, carefully and diligently), you CAN do your own fitting and replacement of parts. There have been reports of aftermarket firing pins being made of too-soft steel, so it's only a matter of doing your own research and finding the ones that ARE of high quality. Right now, Ruger's factory firing pins may be the best quality available, but that can change over time. As you probably know you need a bit of both in a pin; harder back and a softer, than the back, front. A too hard front and you run the risk of fracturing the pin, breaking off and lodging it in the bolt w a possibility of an accidental discharge. Some commercial aftermarket pins don't consider this issue. I've mostly only dealt with 1911 firing pins and extractors which are machined from one piece of bar stock, so I'm not going to claim to be an expert on firing pins. But I AM smart enough to do research on any part I'm not familiar with before attempting any alterations/changes/replacements.
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