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Post by bamorin on Mar 26, 2017 15:49:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 16:16:36 GMT -5
0-14 from the 3 point line in the 2nd half killed UF. Just hit 3 of those 14 shots and the Gators win by 2. It wasn't what I hoped for today, but I'm very happy that the Gators were good enough to advance to the Elite Eight while facing up to adversity. Mike White did a tremendous job this season.
USCe is a very good team. Anybody that didn't know that before the tourney started wasn't keeping up with SEC teams.
Good luck to the gamecocks against Gonzaga. It should be a great game.
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Post by bamorin on Mar 27, 2017 7:14:45 GMT -5
0-14 from the 3 point line in the 2nd half killed UF. Just hit 3 of those 14 shots and the Gators win by 2. It wasn't what I hoped for today, but I'm very happy that the Gators were good enough to advance to the Elite Eight while facing up to adversity. Mike White did a tremendous job this season. USCe is a very good team. Anybody that didn't know that before the tourney started wasn't keeping up with SEC teams. Good luck to the gamecocks against Gonzaga. It should be a great game. Florida did have a good season, bordering on great at times........the rewards that USCe reaped were being allowed to play florida due to the refs handing florida 2 FTs to start OT |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 8:59:11 GMT -5
0-14 from the 3 point line in the 2nd half killed UF. Just hit 3 of those 14 shots and the Gators win by 2. It wasn't what I hoped for today, but I'm very happy that the Gators were good enough to advance to the Elite Eight while facing up to adversity. Mike White did a tremendous job this season. USCe is a very good team. Anybody that didn't know that before the tourney started wasn't keeping up with SEC teams. Good luck to the gamecocks against Gonzaga. It should be a great game. Florida did have a good season, bordering on great at times........the rewards that USCe reaped were being allowed to play florida due to the refs handing florida 2 FTs to start OT Wrong game to discuss previous game disagreements. You are 2 to 3 days late to be discussing the UF vs. Wisky game. I along with everyone else have moved on. There was no just reward for USCe in facing a good UF team that couldn't overcome 0-14 from the 3 point line in the 2nd half and a completely one-sided called game by the refs in the 2nd half. You undoubtedly missed that USCe was the aggressor physically throughout, had 4 less fouls called, shot 16 more foul shots than UF scoring 10 more points than UF from the foul line. USCe shot 24 of 31 from the free throw line while UF shot an excellent percentage hitting 14 of 15 free throws. Chris Chiozza was stripped of the ball late in the game when he drove down the lane. He stopped on the spot and looked incredulously at the ref knowing that he had been fouled yet no foul was called. That look encapsulated what happened with the refs in the 2nd half. The gamecocks fouled and kept fouling so much that the refs just quit calling the fouls. Looking back on what happened yesterday from a day later perspective, UF did good to keep the game respectable. In the 2nd half, the Gators couldn't overcome their bad 2nd half 3 point shooting and the refs one-sided game calling. It was a fatal combination. |
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Post by mscott59 on Mar 27, 2017 9:43:21 GMT -5
Florida did have a good season, bordering on great at times........the rewards that USCe reaped were being allowed to play florida due to the refs handing florida 2 FTs to start OT Wrong game to discuss previous game disagreements. You are 2 to 3 days late to be discussing the UF vs. Wisky game. I along with everyone else have moved on. There was no just reward for USCe in facing a good UF team that couldn't overcome 0-14 from the 3 point line in the 2nd half and a completely one-sided called game by the refs in the 2nd half. You undoubtedly missed that USCe was the aggressor physically throughout, had 4 less fouls called, shot 16 more foul shots than UF scoring 10 more points than UF from the foul line. USCe shot 24 of 31 from the free throw line while UF shot an excellent percentage hitting 14 of 15 free throws. Chris Chiozza was stripped of the ball late in the game when he drove down the lane. He stopped on the spot and looked incredulously at the ref knowing that he had been fouled yet no foul was called. That look encapsulated what happened with the refs in the 2nd half. The gamecocks fouled and kept fouling so much that the refs just quit calling the fouls. Looking back on what happened yesterday from a day later perspective, UF did good to keep the game respectable. In the 2nd half, the Gators couldn't overcome their bad 2nd half 3 point shooting and the refs one-sided game calling. It was a fatal combination. wow. uf shot 0-14 from 3 in the 2nd half... in large part, to adjustments the gamecocks made to extend their defense, after uf made 7 3's in the 1st 20 minutes. to say south carolina won because they got away w/fouls, having watched the game, shows you cannot be objective. and that looked like a pretty clean strip with 0:13 left on chiozza to me. why don't you give credit to the opponent instead of blaming the refs? uf is much more of a finesse team than usc-e, and the stats bore that out. gamecocks scored 42 points in the paint, florida scored 18. |
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Post by bamorin on Mar 27, 2017 9:59:14 GMT -5
Wrong game to discuss previous game disagreements. You are 2 to 3 days late to be discussing the UF vs. Wisky game. I along with everyone else have moved on. without seeing the Just Rewards being served up yesterday, how could I have been late. one can only be so pernicious |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 10:41:59 GMT -5
Wrong game to discuss previous game disagreements. You are 2 to 3 days late to be discussing the UF vs. Wisky game. I along with everyone else have moved on. There was no just reward for USCe in facing a good UF team that couldn't overcome 0-14 from the 3 point line in the 2nd half and a completely one-sided called game by the refs in the 2nd half. You undoubtedly missed that USCe was the aggressor physically throughout, had 4 less fouls called, shot 16 more foul shots than UF scoring 10 more points than UF from the foul line. USCe shot 24 of 31 from the free throw line while UF shot an excellent percentage hitting 14 of 15 free throws. Chris Chiozza was stripped of the ball late in the game when he drove down the lane. He stopped on the spot and looked incredulously at the ref knowing that he had been fouled yet no foul was called. That look encapsulated what happened with the refs in the 2nd half. The gamecocks fouled and kept fouling so much that the refs just quit calling the fouls. Looking back on what happened yesterday from a day later perspective, UF did good to keep the game respectable. In the 2nd half, the Gators couldn't overcome their bad 2nd half 3 point shooting and the refs one-sided game calling. It was a fatal combination. wow. uf shot 0-14 from 3 in the 2nd half... in large part, to adjustments the gamecocks made to extend their defense, after uf made 7 3's in the 1st 20 minutes. to say south carolina won because they got away w/fouls, having watched the game, shows you cannot be objective. and that looked like a pretty clean strip with 0:13 left on chiozza to me. why don't you give credit to the opponent instead of blaming the refs? uf is much more of a finesse team than usc-e, and the stats bore that out. gamecocks scored 42 points in the paint, florida scored 18. I gave USCe credit for being a good team and a wish of good luck in post 2 while acknowledging UF's 2nd half poor shooting. You're the one trying to stir up crapola that UF didn't belong in the game, not me. It's a good thing your opinion doesn't matter or I'd be pissed off with you. UF played the gamecocks 3 times this season plus I watched them in other games. I saw yesterday more of the same physical play. What I didn't expect to see was that the NCAA tourney refs would let the gamecocks legally mug the Gators on national television. The refs have stopped Louisville from playing that way, but they didn't stop USCe yesterday. The refs didn't have any problem with calling fouls on UF and putting the gamecocks in the bonus and double bonus early in the 2nd half. The out of line number of fouls and foul shots in the 2nd have did not evidence any attempt at balance in calling fouls. The refs misidentified USCe as a blue blood that gets home cooking calls. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 10:43:18 GMT -5
Wrong game to discuss previous game disagreements. You are 2 to 3 days late to be discussing the UF vs. Wisky game. I along with everyone else have moved on. without seeing the Just Rewards being served up yesterday, how could I have been late. one can only be so pernicious 77-70 is a just reward? I'll leave it at this, you have a unique perspective. |
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Post by mscott59 on Mar 27, 2017 13:34:33 GMT -5
wow. uf shot 0-14 from 3 in the 2nd half... in large part, to adjustments the gamecocks made to extend their defense, after uf made 7 3's in the 1st 20 minutes. to say south carolina won because they got away w/fouls, having watched the game, shows you cannot be objective. and that looked like a pretty clean strip with 0:13 left on chiozza to me. why don't you give credit to the opponent instead of blaming the refs? uf is much more of a finesse team than usc-e, and the stats bore that out. gamecocks scored 42 points in the paint, florida scored 18. I gave USCe credit for being a good team and a wish of good luck in post 2 while acknowledging UF's 2nd half poor shooting. You're the one trying to stir up crapola that UF didn't belong in the game, not me. It's a good thing your opinion doesn't matter or I'd be pissed off with you. UF played the gamecocks 3 times this season plus I watched them in other games. I saw yesterday more of the same physical play. What I didn't expect to see was that the NCAA tourney refs would let the gamecocks legally mug the Gators on national television. The refs have stopped Louisville from playing that way, but they didn't stop USCe yesterday. The refs didn't have any problem with calling fouls on UF and putting the gamecocks in the bonus and double bonus early in the 2nd half. The out of line number of fouls and foul shots in the 2nd have did not evidence any attempt at balance in calling fouls. The refs misidentified USCe as a blue blood that gets home cooking calls. what the hell are you babbling about now? show me one spot where i said uf didn't belong in the game. jeez. uf didn't get mugged. they got beat. your sour grapes at least are consistent. unreal. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 13:36:18 GMT -5
Well, this is timely, John Calipari is blaming the UK loss to UNC on poor officiating:
MEMPHIS, Tenn. — Under the category “PF” on the official box score totals — “personal fouls,”not “power forward” — Kentucky finished Sunday’s NCAA Tournament game with 19 committed and North Carolina with 18. That seems even. A closer exam, though, shows three individual UK players with “4” in their columns. And that left coach John Calipari less than pleased.
“You know, it’s amazing that we were in that game where they practically fouled out my whole team,” Calipari said at the start of his postgame news conference. “Amazing that we had a chance.”
The numbers that will vex Kentucky through the offseason will start with those in the final score of Sunday’s NCAA South Region final: North Carolina 75, Kentucky 73. That result put the Tar Heels in the Final Four for the second consecutive season.
But there are others slightly below the surface that played a part in the outcome. After scoring 39 points in 36 minutes of Friday night’s victory over UCLA, freshman point guard De’Aaron Fox played only eightminutes of the first half against North Carolina because he picked up two quick personal fouls. Guard Malik Monk and center Bam Adebayo also were forced to the bench because of first-half fouls.
Kentucky matched North Carolina’s field-goal output (27) and hit more 3-pointers (7-3) but attempted only 19 free throws to the Tar Heels’ 26.
Fox’s early fouls were his own fault. He tried to jump in front of Carolina backup point guard Stilman White as he was moving laterally with the ball. Kentucky supporters argued he had established position, but it was a high-risk/low-reward play. If he’d gotten the call, it would have been a simple dead-ball turnover. And he did not get the call. With that one already on the board, he did not spend his crucial second foul wisely, either.
There were some curiosities, though, particularly with the first-half officiating. On three occasions, official John Higgins observed action and did not blow his whistle to call a foul on Kentucky until the outcome of the play turned in UK's favor.
The most notable of these occurred with Carolina attacking its goal just before the four-minute mark. UNC point guard Joel Berry was unable to control a poor pass, and Wildcats forward Derek Willis reached to the floor attempting to grab the ball. Berry lifted his hand trying to gather the ball and struck Willis’ wrist. The ball deflected high in the air and was retrieved by UK center Isaac Humphries. Higgins’ whistle blew right then.
“There was a lot of stuff that went on, and our kids fought through it,” Calipari said. “I told them at halftime, it is what it is. You’ve got to beat who’s out there, and let’s go, and don’t worry about it.
“But don’t take away from North Carolina. I mean, you think of the plays they made, down five, to get back. And then to get up, and then us come back and tie the game, and then they make one at the buzzer? Come on. It was a terrific game. I just wish we could have played a first half with a full roster.”
I can just imagine what Calipari would be saying today be if UK had gotten the raw deal dumped on UF in the 2nd half against USCe. For the game:
21 fouls called on UF compared to 17 fouls for the more physically aggressive gamecocks who got away with fouls not called.
The gamecocks shot 31 free throws compared to UF's 15 free throws.
The gamecocks scored 24 points from the free throw line compared to the Gators 14.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the UF vs. USCe game was not called in a fair and balanced manner. It is far worse than what UK went through against UNC.
As a side note, all of the Elite Eight teams eliminated played the late games and came back on shorter game times. UF played until after midnight into Saturday morning due to OT and then was required to play the first game early on Sunday afternoon. Just maybe that was a reason the Gators legs gave out and the 3 point shot declined to an awful 0-14 after halftime after they had shot pretty good in the first half.
Mike White has been classy by not complaining publically about the officiating even though he has a much stronger case than John Calipari.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 13:39:03 GMT -5
I gave USCe credit for being a good team and a wish of good luck in post 2 while acknowledging UF's 2nd half poor shooting. You're the one trying to stir up crapola that UF didn't belong in the game, not me. It's a good thing your opinion doesn't matter or I'd be pissed off with you. UF played the gamecocks 3 times this season plus I watched them in other games. I saw yesterday more of the same physical play. What I didn't expect to see was that the NCAA tourney refs would let the gamecocks legally mug the Gators on national television. The refs have stopped Louisville from playing that way, but they didn't stop USCe yesterday. The refs didn't have any problem with calling fouls on UF and putting the gamecocks in the bonus and double bonus early in the 2nd half. The out of line number of fouls and foul shots in the 2nd have did not evidence any attempt at balance in calling fouls. The refs misidentified USCe as a blue blood that gets home cooking calls. what the hell are you babbling about now? show me one spot where i said uf didn't belong in the game. jeez. uf didn't get mugged. they got beat. your sour grapes at least are consistent. unreal. I confused you with bam. You're two screwed up bucknuts so it's easy to do. |
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Post by mscott59 on Mar 27, 2017 13:48:20 GMT -5
what the hell are you babbling about now? show me one spot where i said uf didn't belong in the game. jeez. uf didn't get mugged. they got beat. your sour grapes at least are consistent. unreal. I confused you with bam. You're two screwed up bucknuts so it's easy to do. i get it. 'i'm sorry... i was wrong', i believe is what you meant, but can't say out loud. lmao. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 13:53:03 GMT -5
I confused you with bam. You're two screwed up bucknuts so it's easy to do. i get it. 'i'm sorry... i was wrong', i believe is what you meant, but can't say out loud. lmao. I was wrong in accusing you for indicating UF didn't belong to be in the game as that was intended for bam. However, I disagreed with your game assessment. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 14:11:18 GMT -5
This article from floridagators.com comes to some of the same conclusions I've come to, but reports on their conclusions in a more classy manner than my meager attempts have done:
NEW YORK — They were red-hot in the first half Sunday with no discernible sign of fatigue. The No. 4-seed Florida Gators hit shots, skied for rebounds and genuinely matched on the intensity front arguably the most physical team in college basketball, Southeastern Conference rival South Carolina, to take a seven-point lead to the locker room.
And then everything changed.
In the second half, the seventh-seeded Gamecocks made the hustle plays, beat the Gators' defense to spots, drew fouls, grabbed big boards and completely flipped the script on the way to a 77-70 victory in the NCAA East Region title game in front of a sold-out crowd of 20,047 dressed mostly in maroon-and-red and celebrating the program's first Final Four berth in school history.
Senior guard Sindarius Thornwell, the 2017 SEC Player of the Year, was superb in scoring 26 points, grabbing seven rebounds and serving as the catalyst for a defense that overwhelmed UF after intermission, allowing only 33-percent shooting from the floor and zero 3-point field goals on 14 tries. During one stretch in the second half, Thornwell scored eight straight points (and 10 of 12, with an assist on the other basket) in a run that pushed the Gamecocks ahead and ultimately sent the Gators (27-9) to their fourth Elite Eight loss in the last seven seasons.
It was quite the come-down, considering mere hours earlier, UF was at the intersection of Cloud 9 and Broadway.
"It's tough," said UF junior guard Chris Chiozza, whose heroics two nights before — the running 3-pointer to beat Wisconsin at the buzzer in the Sweet 16 — were the reason his team played Sunday. "All that adrenaline, all that excitement. It was a great feeling. Now you're on the losing end and your season is over."
Adrenaline and excitement were bound to go only so far against the Gamecocks (26-10) and their rugged pound-on-you-for-40-minutes ways. Think about it. Sunday's game tipped at 2:20 p.m., exactly 36 hours after the Gators returned to their Manhattan hotel early Saturday morning wired and emotionally drained from that epic regional semifinal. Not exactly ideal circumstances for recovery and a quick turnaround, but then again, with a trip to the Final Four dangling as a carrot, the UF players surely could summon the energy needed to soldier into the title game.
Against any other opponent, maybe. Not the Gamecocks, whose bumping, banging and beating take a toll over the course of a game, as higher-seeded victims Marquette, Duke and Baylor all learned in tournament succession coming in.
Maybe heavy legs were a factor in Florida going 0-for-14 from the 3-point line, getting out-rebounded 23-14 (surrendering some killer offensive boards) and putting the Gamecocks at the free-throw line 28 times after halftime.
South Carolina coach Frank Martin thought so.
"They had that hard overtime game. And what was it? Thirty-six hours ago or something like that, by the time they got back to the hotel?" said Martin, whose team gets No. 2-ranked and West Region champion Gonzaga in next Saturday's NCAA semifinal. "Did they kind of run out of juice a little bit? I don't know. I thought they missed some open looks. [But] we played harder [and] we played better offensively."
That they did. The Gamecocks shot 52 percent after intermission and clamped the Gators to just 31 percent, mostly by denying penetration and making UF settle for 3s. Florida was OK with that in the first half, considering the Gators went 7-for-12 from distance and led 40-33, but the long ones hoisted in the second half turned out like that historically bad 0-for-17 night in a 57-53 loss at Columbia, S.C., when the two teams met Jan. 18.
In that one, Florida had four days to prepare for the South Carolina onslaught, as opposed to a day and a half.
UF senior point guard Kasey Hill, however, didn't bite.
"I don't think that had anything to do with it," he said.
Senior forward Justin Leon felt the same.
"We gave ourselves plenty of time to prepare for the game," said Leon, who finished with a team-high 18 points to go with six rebounds. "I think tonight just wasn't our night, I guess."
Then Florida coach Mike White chimed in.
"I'm so glad these guys didn't make any excuses, that's not what we're about," White said. "South Carolina was better than us. Period."
UF forward Justin Leon reacts in frustration after being called for a foul in a scramble for a loose ball, one of a handful of hustle plays Sunday that went the way of South Carolina.
From the start of the second half, that was the case. The Gamecocks immediately cut into Florida's seven-point halftime lead with the first two baskets out of the locker room. UF's biggest lead the rest of the way would be five — just once — but a wave of five fouls whistled against the Gators over a 39-second span put the Gamecocks in the bonus with just under 15 minutes to play. South Carolina would go on to shoot 31 free throws compared to Florida's 15 against an opponent that led the SEC in fouls committed.
"Anytime they went into the paint, there was a whistle blown. On five straight possessions they got a foul called," Chiozza said. "They got offensive rebounds and passed the ball out and it's a foul. There's not really much we can do about that. It's the way the whistle was going in the second half. That's the way basketball is sometimes."
With 11:26 to go, forward Maik Kotsar (12 points, 3 rebounds) put back a missed layup for USC's first lead since just over five minutes were left in the opening half. From there, it was six lead changes and five ties over the next nine minutes until an offensive rebound by forward Chris Silva (13 points, 9 rebounds), two free throws by Thornwell and a short jumper from Kotsar accounted for a six-point run that turned the game. For good.
Still, South Carolina's lead was just 70-68 after a three-point play by UF guard KeVaughn Allen (13 point) with 53.7 seconds left when the Gamecocks tried to throw over UF's defensive full-court pressure. The ball almost sailed out of bounds at the far end, before guard Duane Notice gathered it in time, only to shuffle his feet for not three, but maybe four (even five steps) on the baseline, replays showed, while being harassed by Chiozza.
Chiozza was then called for a foul.
Notice hit two free throws with 50.4 seconds to go and the Gamecocks took it home (and sent the Gators home) from there.
"Obviously, very, very heartbreaking. To make it this far, you're right there with a chance to go to the Final Four," White said. "For whatever reason, in the second half, we couldn't match that same defensive intensity, again, which wasn't an 'A,' but it was pretty good. It was probably a 'B' for us."
With two brutally challenging games crunched so closely together, maybe a "B" was all the Gators had left.
"No," Hill said. "South Carolina was just better."
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Post by bamorin on Mar 27, 2017 14:15:03 GMT -5
i get it. 'i'm sorry... i was wrong', i believe is what you meant, but can't say out loud. lmao. I was wrong in accusing you for indicating UF didn't belong to be in the game as that was intended for bam. However, I disagreed with your game assessment. losers don't belong in the game. however when the officiating goes out of its way to call a shooting foul on a tip-off, when no one has possession of the ball..........what would you call 2 free points happening in a 1 point win game? USCe got the just rewards from that. congrats to them read the thread topic agian...... |
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