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Post by frmthegrav on May 20, 2017 21:27:22 GMT -5
pro-south or not, these statues are historical and should NOT be removed. for those that supported the south, this is their heritage whether you feel its right or wrong. let the statue itself stand and public opinion of the event ebb and flow through time. removal? absolutely wrong. reminds me of the muslims who dynamited the buddhist temples several years ago because it went against islam. this is a classic orwellian move. eliminate the past so that there is no longer a record of what happened so that history is wiped clean.  sputniknews.com/us/201705201053800638-robert-lee-new-orleans-monument/
New Orleans has taken down another monument to its Confederate past: Friday evening, a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee was pulled from its pedestal, a process that was attended by spectators and livestreamed by news organizations.
The idea to remove the statue was first proposed by New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu back in 2015. The general had towered over the city for more than 100 years, but after white supremacist Dylann Roof massacred nine black churchgoers in fellow former Confederate state South Carolina, the wisdom of honoring Lee so publicly was called into question.
According to US National Public Radio, this is the fourth Confederate-era monument to be removed in New Orleans. The first, a monument to a deadly 1874 white supremacist uprising, was taken down on April 24. A couple of weeks later, a statue of Confederate President Jefferson Davis was toppled; on Wednesday, a statue of Confederate General P.G.T. Beauregard was removed.
The campaign to remove the statues has been highly controversial. According to the Washington Post, contractors have received death threats, and nearly every heavy-crane company in southern Louisiana was also threatened.
Because of that, the first three statues were removed during the night. General Lee's statue is the first to be removed during daylight.
According to Landrieu, the monuments are the result of what he called "a cult of the lost cause."
"This cult had one goal and one goal only: through monuments and other means to rewrite history, to hide the truth, which is that the Confederacy was on the wrong side of humanity," he said.
The fate of the statues is undetermined. City authorities have reportedly received a number of proposals from various public and private organizations. Certain restrictions are to be placed on the monuments in their future homes: for example, the new owners will not be allowed to display them outdoors on public property in New Orleans.
The platforms where the monuments once stood will be decorated with public art and American flags, city authorities say.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 21:36:46 GMT -5
f-word those ass holes on the PC left. Damn them to hell.
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Post by frmthegrav on May 20, 2017 21:40:51 GMT -5
f-word those ass holes on the PC left. Damn them to hell. dont get mad. fight back by waking people up. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 22:58:49 GMT -5
f-word those ass holes on the PC left. Damn them to hell. dont get mad. fight back by waking people up. It's a nearly impossible task, Graviani... How many sleepwalkers have we woken up here? Yet the battle goes on... The vast majority of the people I experience in daily life are what I consider to be stupid people - completely unaware and completely unwilling to show any curiosity whatsoever in what is actually going on in the world. Their world IS the world. Funny yet very sad. No life experience at all beyond the bland suburban existence. |
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Post by Walter on May 21, 2017 6:16:24 GMT -5
f-word those ass holes on the PC left. Damn them to hell. dont get mad. fight back by waking people up. Fight back? Against what? Let's turn the tables. Do you believe that the people involved in the Rodney King Riots in 92 deserve to have a monument erected at Florence and Normandie to honor their actions? After all, it's part of history, right? What's the difference between a riot in 1992 and a riot in 1871? |
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Post by oldgraylady on May 21, 2017 12:53:07 GMT -5
Let the devotees of "the lost cause" raise funds to purchase private spaces for the monuments. Statues of these men and what they represent should never be displayed in public places. Removal of the statues was the right decision. The people of the United States need unity, not division. Let the healing begin.
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Post by frmthegrav on May 21, 2017 19:38:51 GMT -5
Let the devotees of "the lost cause" raise funds to purchase private spaces for the monuments. Statues of these men and what they represent should never be displayed in public places. Removal of the statues was the right decision. The people of the United States need unity, not division. Let the healing begin. what they represented was southern heritage, states rights, and defense of their way of life. what the northerners and the new history will have you believe is that they were only defending slavery. the people of the US need to have localized, state rule where they can elect people they can trust. keeping the government in the hands of a few people is a disaster. furthermore, you dont heal anything by erasing the past history. from your perspective, leaving the statues could be a testament to how things shouldnt have been-- perhaps a reminder in stone. if we really want to get serious, we should start removing abraham lincoln statues. have you looked into him? check it out before below. as wrong as lincoln was, i still wouldnt want to remove his statues. again, its part of history. |
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Post by daleko on May 21, 2017 19:56:41 GMT -5
dont get mad. fight back by waking people up. Fight back? Against what? Let's turn the tables. Do you believe that the people involved in the Rodney King Riots in 92 deserve to have a monument erected at Florence and Normandie to honor their actions? After all, it's part of history, right? What's the difference between a riot in 1992 and a riot in 1871? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 21:26:21 GMT -5
Matt,
According to Alexander Stephens, the Vice President of the CSA, the Confederacy was predicated on the belief that black people are inherently inferior to whites, and should, rightfully, be enslaved.
That's horseshit.
Let's stop the longstanding historical pretence about the raison d'etre of the Civil War.
I can respect the courage and heroism of Confederate soldiers, but not their cause.
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Post by frmthegrav on May 21, 2017 21:43:38 GMT -5
Matt, According to Alexander Stephens, the Vice President of the CSA, the Confederacy was predicated on the belief that black people are inherently inferior to whites, and should, rightfully, be enslaved. That's horseshit. Let's stop the longstanding historical pretence about the raison d'etre of the Civil War. I can respect the courage and heroism of Confederate soldiers, but not their cause. you dont have to respect their cause (or their willingness to defend their land or customs). you DO have to respect the history and not start demolishing it because you think it was wrong in hindsight. this reminds me of the henry stanley statue that was ripped down in africa by congonese. again, lets start ripping down abe lincoln... george washington (slave holder)... thomas jefferson (white guy who slept with blacks-- soon to be a big no-no by the cultural marxists), rip down US grant statues (remember his ideas about rounding up the jews during the civil war?)... should i go on? i dont have problems with revisionist history, but DESTRUCTION of historical icons (right or wrong ones) helps nothing but erase history. remember, truth has nothing to fear. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 22:02:00 GMT -5
Matt, According to Alexander Stephens, the Vice President of the CSA, the Confederacy was predicated on the belief that black people are inherently inferior to whites, and should, rightfully, be enslaved. That's horseshit. Let's stop the longstanding historical pretence about the raison d'etre of the Civil War. I can respect the courage and heroism of Confederate soldiers, but not their cause. you dont have to respect their cause (or their willingness to defend their land or customs). you DO have to respect the history and not start demolishing it because you think it was wrong in hindsight. this reminds me of the henry stanley statue that was ripped down in africa by congonese. again, lets start ripping down abe lincoln... george washington (slave holder)... thomas jefferson (white guy who slept with blacks-- soon to be a big no-no by the cultural marxists), rip down US grant statues (remember his ideas about rounding up the jews during the civil war?)... should i go on? i dont have problems with revisionist history, but DESTRUCTION of historical icons (right or wrong ones) helps nothing but erase history. remember, truth has nothing to fear. What do you mean by "respecting" the history? I believe in preserving and studying history, but not in idealizing and honoring what is evil. Grant was quite decent and magnanimous toward Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia, but the terrible course of Jim Crow history proves that the magnanimity of the U.S. toward the Confederates was a mistake of epic proportions. In effect, the North turned a blind eye to the suffering and horrible injustice inflicted on blacks after 1876. Would you approve of adulatory statues of Hitler, Goering, and Goebbels in Germany? |
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Post by frmthegrav on May 21, 2017 22:09:32 GMT -5
you dont have to respect their cause (or their willingness to defend their land or customs). you DO have to respect the history and not start demolishing it because you think it was wrong in hindsight. this reminds me of the henry stanley statue that was ripped down in africa by congonese. again, lets start ripping down abe lincoln... george washington (slave holder)... thomas jefferson (white guy who slept with blacks-- soon to be a big no-no by the cultural marxists), rip down US grant statues (remember his ideas about rounding up the jews during the civil war?)... should i go on? i dont have problems with revisionist history, but DESTRUCTION of historical icons (right or wrong ones) helps nothing but erase history. remember, truth has nothing to fear. What do you mean by "respecting" the history? I believe in preserving and studying history, but not in idealizing and honoring what is evil. Grant was quite decent and magnanimous toward Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia, but the terrible course of Jim Crow history proves that the magnanimity of the U.S. toward the Confederates was a mistake of epic proportions. In effect, the North turned a blind eye to the suffering and horrible injustice inflicted on blacks after 1876. Would you approve of adulatory statues of Hitler, Goering, and Goebbels in Germany? respecting: these events happened. period. in the past, people believed in them enough to construct statues. ripping them down changes that history. statues are statues. only people give them meaning, negative or positive. leave them up-- let the people decide. |
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Post by Walter on May 21, 2017 22:32:24 GMT -5
What do you mean by "respecting" the history? I believe in preserving and studying history, but not in idealizing and honoring what is evil. Grant was quite decent and magnanimous toward Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia, but the terrible course of Jim Crow history proves that the magnanimity of the U.S. toward the Confederates was a mistake of epic proportions. In effect, the North turned a blind eye to the suffering and horrible injustice inflicted on blacks after 1876. Would you approve of adulatory statues of Hitler, Goering, and Goebbels in Germany? respecting: these events happened. period. in the past, people believed in them enough to construct statues. ripping them down changes that history. statues are statues. only people give them meaning, negative or positive. leave them up-- let the people decide. Fine. Let us give it some meaning then. It is a legit question. Do you think a statue of Hitler should be erected at the Reichstag today to "commemorate history"? Yes or no? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 23:19:10 GMT -5
What do you mean by "respecting" the history? I believe in preserving and studying history, but not in idealizing and honoring what is evil. Grant was quite decent and magnanimous toward Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia, but the terrible course of Jim Crow history proves that the magnanimity of the U.S. toward the Confederates was a mistake of epic proportions. In effect, the North turned a blind eye to the suffering and horrible injustice inflicted on blacks after 1876. Would you approve of adulatory statues of Hitler, Goering, and Goebbels in Germany? respecting: these events happened. period. in the past, people believed in them enough to construct statues. ripping them down changes that history. statues are statues. only people give them meaning, negative or positive. leave them up-- let the people decide. What about Saddam Hussein, Lenin, and Stalin statues that were pulled down? Should they be restored, to "respect" the history of Baathists and Soviet communism? |
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Post by Walter on May 21, 2017 23:34:11 GMT -5
respecting: these events happened. period. in the past, people believed in them enough to construct statues. ripping them down changes that history. statues are statues. only people give them meaning, negative or positive. leave them up-- let the people decide. What about Saddam Hussein, Lenin, and Stalin statues that were pulled down? Should they be restored, to "respect" the history of Baathists and Soviet communism? Notwithstanding the "outrage" over taking down symbols commemorating the Jim Crow era, it does raise the point of the self-righteous destruction of historically significant statuary and edifices by a ruling power. Pol Pot destroyed thousand year old Cambodian artifacts because he disliked the messages they conveyed. So this is not a black/white question. There is an historical component. |
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