Why the Japanese were interred in camps in the USA

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Jun 18, 2017 22:08:08 GMT -5 drjensen said:

Jun 18, 2017 12:37:58 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Mr. Jensen,

       The fact that Ben Kanahele was an American WWII hero does not justify the internment of Japanese-American citizens during WWII-- and the confiscation of their property.

       That's the fallacy in your latest right wing propaganda piece.  It explains NOTHING about the rationale for violating the civil rights of American citizens of Japanese heritage.  ZERO.

       My best friend in childhood was a Japanese-American neighbor whose parents-- both American citizens-- were incarcerated in the Camp Amache concentration camp during WWII.

       They were among the finest people I have ever known in my entire life-- and strangely loyal and patriotic toward a nation that had treated them so shabbily.

       My Japanese-American friend was always a very straight arrow-- ROTC, etc.  I was contacted by the FBI some years ago with a request for a high-level national security clearance for my old friend, who is now a nuclear engineer consulting with the U.S. Navy.

       His elderly father made a special effort to come to my father's funeral in 2005, and I was very happy to see him.  Hadn't seen him for many years--after leaving home for college back East.

To Willie and his alter ego OGL, you two are an example of why we have so much discord in this country. I merely stated a historical fact about the internment of Japanese people by the United States shortly after WWII started. No where in my post did I condone the fact, try to alter the facts, or any way agree with what transpired back then. I was merely stating the circumstances that led up to the creation of the Japanese camps. Willie, I too know people who were interned, my ex-brother inlaw's mother and father were held captive. Dr. Shimoda talked to me about his time in the camp and although he was basically held as a prisoner he told me he was never mistreated. No where in my post do I say any of this was justifiable and yet that is exactly what you insinuate I said. There is no right wing conspiracy here you stupid SOB, I am merely stating fact. You are so blinded by your left wing lunacy you immediately object and accuse without a bit of evidence. If I report on the conditions of slavery in the south, does that make me a radical? You really have a mental problem Willie, I am serious, no one on here but your alter ego OGL give a rats ass where you went to school and whatever degree you may or may not possess. You have no friends, maybe that is why you spend so much time on here, it gives you an opportunity to interact with other people, God knows you can not have a real personal relationship with anyone or anything but a blow up doll. I would surmise the only contact the FBI has ever had with you involved investigating child porn on your computer. No need for you to reply to this you weird bastard, you are now on ignore.

Ensign Jensen, you ignorant slut...  

      Before you run away like a frightened chicken hawk, let me respond to your latest drivel.

      First of all, the selection and timing of this post seems oddly xenophobic-- something that lends itself to Trump's latest brand of xenophobic rabble rousing.

      Why, for example, did you not choose to start a thread about Daniel Inouye and other Japanese Americans who fought bravely for the U.S. in WWII?

      And where did you find this article?  (My guess is that it came from one of your usual wing nut propaganda sources.)

      The fact of the matter is that there were no incidents of sabotage against the U.S. by Japanese Americans living on the West Coast before or after Pearl Harbor.  NONE.

      FDR had begun surveillance of Japanese Americans long before Pearl Harbor, and his own experts opined that the risk of anti-American actions by Japanese Americans was zilch.*

     It's the kind of xenophobic, fascist horseshit that Hitler thrived on, and we need to make sure that it doesn't happen again in America.

     Instead of cherry-picking such an anomalous case as a questionable justification for FDR's most infamous edict, you should be presenting the whole story-- of Japanese American loyalty to the U.S., and the abysmal discrimination they experienced BEFORE and after Pearl Harbor.

     As for your typically ill-informed opinions about me, I couldn't care less.  Enjoy your illusions, and your obvious bigotry.


*  In the 1930s the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI), concerned by Imperial Japan's rising military power in Asia, began conducting surveillance on Japanese-American communities in Hawaii. From 1936, at the behest of President Roosevelt, the ONI began compiling a "special list of those who would be the first to be placed in a concentration camp in the event of trouble" between Japan and the United States. In 1939, again by order of the President, the ONI, Military Intelligence Division, and FBI began working together to compile a larger Custodial Detention Index.[32] Early in 1941, Roosevelt commissioned Curtis Munson to conduct an investigation on Japanese Americans living on the West Coast and in Hawaii. After working with FBI and ONI officials and interviewing Japanese Americans and those familiar with them, Munson determined that the "Japanese problem" was nonexistent. His final report to the President, submitted November 7, 1941, "certified a remarkable, even extraordinary degree of loyalty among this generally suspect ethnic group."[33] A subsequent report by Kenneth Ringle, delivered to the President in January 1942, also found little evidence to support claims of Japanese-American disloyalty and argued against mass incarceration.[34]

[drjensen]

No, there was no lesson intended. It was a story forwarded to me by a former teacher and I found it informative and thought I would share. I'm glad you found it interesting, that was my only intent.

[drjensen]

Willie, you worthless piece of dog shit. The story was forwarded to me by a former history teacher and I found it interesting so I decided to share it. You are a fool, plain and simple, nothing but a psychotic fool. Run away! I doubt it, I would love to meet you face to face and watch you cower like the worthless cur you are. You are so stupid you can not even recognize the fact that you are the fool of this board. You are chastised, laughed at, ridiculed, and shamed and your ego and alter egos are so inflated you can not absorb the fact that you are the board jester. What a joke of a person you are.

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Jun 18, 2017 23:09:13 GMT -5 drjensen said:

Willie, you worthless piece of dog shit. The story was forwarded to me by a former history teacher and I found it interesting so I decided to share it. You are a fool, plain and simple, nothing but a psychotic fool. Run away! I doubt it, I would love to meet you face to face and watch you cower like the worthless cur you are. You are so stupid you can not even recognize the fact that you are the fool of this board. You are chastised, laughed at, ridiculed, and shamed and your ego and alter egos are so inflated you can not absorb the fact that you are the board jester. What a joke of a person you are.

Your story has a xenophobic Trumpist stench to it-- something that would be misused by Trump wing nuts as a justification for harassment of a scapegoated minority group.

Is your history teacher a xenophobic Trumpster, like you?

As for the right wing trolls here, I have never taken their idiotic nonsense personally.

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HeeeEEEEERRRRES WILL-LIE!!!!!

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       It appears that Mr. Jensen's latest xenophobic cut-and-paste was originally published at a right wing nut Trumpster website called the Conservative Tribune on June 14th.*



*Japanese Airman “Invaded” Island During Pearl Harbor

conservativetribune.com/pearl-harbor-invaded-island/

[Buckeye Dale]

Jun 18, 2017 14:59:12 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jun 18, 2017 9:41:58 GMT -5 drjensen said:

Obama for one.

Against vigilantes and unconstitutional acts by bigoted authoritarians in government?
Hell, I will too.

Fixed it for you, you "Blame America First," un-American POS.  

EDIT - After the fact, I see FRed already called you on your stance...GOOD FOR FRed...

[AlaCowboy]

Jun 18, 2017 22:51:42 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jun 18, 2017 22:41:45 GMT -5 drjensen said:

I brought the story to the "History Board", not the political board. if we can't talk about history in that section, then what do suggest we talk about. A former teacher of mine sent me the story and I found it interesting and thought I would share. Willie immediately took to the board and basically accused me of condoning the practice of Japanese internment when I was merely educating some on how it came to being. To the best of my knowledge, the Japanese people living in the USA and other places around the world did not insist on their own laws to be practiced over the country their were living in. They also did not rape women and mutilate the genitals of young girls. They did not march against and protest the ways of America. The Japanese living in the USA for the most part I believe did not instigate hostility towards the USA. There were no doubt Japanese living here who sympathized with their homeland. And just in case you forgot, we won that war didn't we!

I did find it interesting, and thank you for the post. I'd not heard it before.

But there was a lesson in it, however unintended, no?

There is indeed a lesson, but you are too focused on your failed Liberal ideas to see it.
Talk to and research the treatment of civilians and soldiers by the Japanese in their "internment" camps, aka concentration camps. Or even death and/or torture camps. Compare that to the treatment of Japanese-Americans in the United states and then tell us how inhuman we were.
I have spoken with, and known 2 American soldiers personally, who were in Japanese "internment" camps. They were subjected to, and witnessed, unimaginable horrors.
Too bad you and your asshole buddy Nie der hut have to politicize every section of this board. We used to have a good group of people and discussed many subjects.

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Jun 26, 2017 12:01:01 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Jun 18, 2017 22:51:42 GMT -5 Walter said:

I did find it interesting, and thank you for the post. I'd not heard it before.

But there was a lesson in it, however unintended, no?

There is indeed a lesson, but you are too focused on your failed Liberal ideas to see it.
Talk to and research the treatment of civilians and soldiers by the Japanese in their "internment" camps, aka concentration camps. Or even death and/or torture camps. Compare that to the treatment of Japanese-Americans in the United states and then tell us how inhuman we were.
I have spoken with, and known 2 American soldiers personally, who were in Japanese "internment" camps. They were subjected to, and witnessed, unimaginable horrors.
Too bad you and your asshole buddy Nie der hut have to politicize every section of this board. We used to have a good group of people and discussed many subjects.

AC,

   The Japanese military committed terrible atrocities and war crimes in WWII.

    I doubt that anyone on this forum would deny that terrible truth.

    But the subject of this thread is the treatment of American citizens of Japanese ancestry by the U.S. government.  A related subject is the use of xenophobia by unscrupulous politicians.

     We all know that the British committed atrocities against American colonists during our Revolutionary War.  Should Americans of English and Scottish ancestry have been incarcerated in concentration camps?  Should their farms and property have been confiscated?

[Walter]

Jun 26, 2017 12:01:01 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Jun 18, 2017 22:51:42 GMT -5 Walter said:

I did find it interesting, and thank you for the post. I'd not heard it before.

But there was a lesson in it, however unintended, no?

There is indeed a lesson, but you are too focused on your failed Liberal ideas to see it.
Talk to and research the treatment of civilians and soldiers by the Japanese in their "internment" camps, aka concentration camps. Or even death and/or torture camps. Compare that to the treatment of Japanese-Americans in the United states and then tell us how inhuman we were.
I have spoken with, and known 2 American soldiers personally, who were in Japanese "internment" camps. They were subjected to, and witnessed, unimaginable horrors.
Too bad you and your asshole buddy Nie der hut have to politicize every section of this board. We used to have a good group of people and discussed many subjects.

So, the treatment by other nations toward Americans determines whether or not it is acceptable to suspend the constitutional rights of a specific group of Americans, to seize their assets, their land, their businesses and their houses?
And to question that is a "liberal idea"?

Who knew?

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Stick a flower in your rifle, Walt.
You people are really sad.

[AlaCowboy]

Jun 27, 2017 12:16:48 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jun 26, 2017 12:01:01 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

There is indeed a lesson, but you are too focused on your failed Liberal ideas to see it.
Talk to and research the treatment of civilians and soldiers by the Japanese in their "internment" camps, aka concentration camps. Or even death and/or torture camps. Compare that to the treatment of Japanese-Americans in the United states and then tell us how inhuman we were.
I have spoken with, and known 2 American soldiers personally, who were in Japanese "internment" camps. They were subjected to, and witnessed, unimaginable horrors.
Too bad you and your asshole buddy Nie der hut have to politicize every section of this board. We used to have a good group of people and discussed many subjects.

So, the treatment by other nations toward Americans determines whether or not it is acceptable to suspend the constitutional rights of a specific group of Americans, to seize their assets, their land, their businesses and their houses?
And to question that is a "liberal idea"?

Who knew?

Why don't you ask your Democrat Hero FDR. It was his government appointees that came up with the idea.

[Walter]

Jun 27, 2017 16:17:03 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Jun 27, 2017 12:16:48 GMT -5 Walter said:

So, the treatment by other nations toward Americans determines whether or not it is acceptable to suspend the constitutional rights of a specific group of Americans, to seize their assets, their land, their businesses and their houses?
And to question that is a "liberal idea"?

Who knew?

Why don't you ask your Democrat Hero FDR. It was his government appointees that came up with the idea.

I'm trying to figure out your logic.

Because a Democratic admin. issued the order, it's all good?
Because the Japanese tortured Americans, it's all good?

What the hell are you trying to say?

[Buckeye Dale]

Jun 27, 2017 17:05:45 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jun 27, 2017 16:17:03 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Why don't you ask your Democrat Hero FDR. It was his government appointees that came up with the idea.

I'm trying to figure out your logic.

Because a Democratic admin. issued the order, it's all good?
Because the Japanese tortured Americans, it's all good?

What the hell are you trying to say?

So when your reading comp problem kicks in, and you don't understand what was written, you make up crazy BS so you can continue to be a disagreeable asshole?  That's how you work?

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Jun 27, 2017 17:13:51 GMT -5 Buckeye Dale said:

Jun 27, 2017 17:05:45 GMT -5 Walter said:

I'm trying to figure out your logic.

Because a Democratic admin. issued the order, it's all good?
Because the Japanese tortured Americans, it's all good?

What the hell are you trying to say?

So when your reading comp problem kicks in, and you don't understand what was written, you make up crazy BS so you can continue to be a disagreeable asshole?  That's how you work?

Uh, speaking of reading comprehension problems...