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What condition is the shotgun in?

[bamorin]

Mar 7, 2018 21:40:12 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Mar 7, 2018 18:02:49 GMT -5 bamorin said:

.......so, you're saying a 'coach gun' is the same thing in the north and south?.........had me worried a bit......

Yer dang tootin' there, Pilgrim.


Why does the gun need soaking?
Soaking in what?

penetrating oil. everything is stiff. fore end doesn't want to pull off, unbolted the wood from it to get to the latch block and spring. barrels don't swing open easy, release doesn't move free, safety doesn't move forward/back easy. There are some small surface rust spots where the gun stuck to the lambs wool lining of the gun case.
ser.# dates this back to early production of mid 30's. Bores are still bright, wood is in very good condition.

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Mar 8, 2018 8:56:00 GMT -5 bamorin said:

Mar 7, 2018 21:40:12 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Yer dang tootin' there, Pilgrim.


Why does the gun need soaking?
Soaking in what?

penetrating oil. everything is stiff. fore end doesn't want to pull off, unbolted the wood from it to get to the latch block and spring. barrels don't swing open easy, release doesn't move free, safety doesn't move forward/back easy. There are some small surface rust spots where the gun stuck to the lambs wool lining of the gun case.
ser.# dates this back to early production of mid 30's. Bores are still bright, wood is in very good condition.

Sounds like it ought to end up in good shape once it's done.

[bamorin]

Mar 8, 2018 8:47:31 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

What condition is the shotgun in?

all things considered, pretty good. Once i'm able to get everything apart, use a bit of brass wool here and there, should be ready to shoot. I'll discuss it with Anthony if he wants to keep everything original, or restore it to "as new" finish. Grandson is soon to be 7, hope to have him in the field over pheasants by the time he's 11

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Mar 8, 2018 9:03:06 GMT -5 bamorin said:

Mar 8, 2018 8:47:31 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

What condition is the shotgun in?

all things considered, pretty good. Once i'm able to get everything apart, use a bit of brass wool here and there, should be ready to shoot. I'll discuss it with Anthony if he wants to keep everything original, or restore it to "as new" finish. Grandson is soon to be 7, hope to have him in the field over pheasants by the time he's 11

So a smattering of rust eh?

[bamorin]

Mar 8, 2018 9:06:28 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

Mar 8, 2018 9:03:06 GMT -5 bamorin said:

all things considered, pretty good. Once i'm able to get everything apart, use a bit of brass wool here and there, should be ready to shoot. I'll discuss it with Anthony if he wants to keep everything original, or restore it to "as new" finish. Grandson is soon to be 7, hope to have him in the field over pheasants by the time he's 11

So a smattering of rust eh?

yep, some spots the size of a dime, mostly "pimples" here and there

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Mar 8, 2018 9:14:38 GMT -5 bamorin said:

Mar 8, 2018 9:06:28 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

So a smattering of rust eh?

yep, some spots the size of a dime, mostly "pimples" here and there

Not bad at all, considering. Makes you wonder why it was squirreled away like that.

[bamorin]

Mar 8, 2018 9:18:27 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

Mar 8, 2018 9:14:38 GMT -5 bamorin said:

yep, some spots the size of a dime, mostly "pimples" here and there

Not bad at all, considering. Makes you wonder why it was squirreled away like that.

yeah, dunno why. It looks as though this work bench was built with this back door to hold a long gun in a case. The bench had to have been built inside the house, as it's huge, heavy, and sturdy. Just wish he'd have stored that .357 in there too..........Python?..........

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Mar 8, 2018 9:28:04 GMT -5 bamorin said:

Mar 8, 2018 9:18:27 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

Not bad at all, considering. Makes you wonder why it was squirreled away like that.

yeah, dunno why. It looks as though this work bench was built with this back door to hold a long gun in a case. The bench had to have been built inside the house, as it's huge, heavy, and sturdy. Just wish he'd have stored that .357 in there too..........Python?..........

Well you really pulled a boner with that one

[daleko]

Mar 8, 2018 9:14:38 GMT -5 bamorin said:

Mar 8, 2018 9:06:28 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

So a smattering of rust eh?

yep, some spots the size of a dime, mostly "pimples" here and there

Using the S/N, when was it made? FTWIW, I'd clean it up and shoot it. There's not a lot of potential for increased value reconditioning it. It's a fine everyday, workman's SXS. You may even want to consider using a Cerakote coating. It'll protect the metal and it'll look pretty good. Take care w a youngen shooting that double trigger.

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Mar 8, 2018 14:20:47 GMT -5 daleko said:

Mar 8, 2018 9:14:38 GMT -5 bamorin said:

yep, some spots the size of a dime, mostly "pimples" here and there

Using the S/N, when was it made? FTWIW, I'd clean it up and shoot it. There's not a lot of potential for increased value reconditioning it. It's a fine everyday, workman's SXS. You may even want to consider using a Cerakote coating. It'll protect the metal and it'll look pretty good. Take care w a youngen shooting that double trigger.

Easy fix there.  Load only one chamber until he gets the hang of it.

[daleko]

Mar 8, 2018 14:23:57 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Mar 8, 2018 14:20:47 GMT -5 daleko said:

Using the S/N, when was it made? FTWIW, I'd clean it up and shoot it. There's not a lot of potential for increased value reconditioning it. It's a fine everyday, workman's SXS. You may even want to consider using a Cerakote coating. It'll protect the metal and it'll look pretty good. Take care w a youngen shooting that double trigger.

Easy fix there.  Load only one chamber until he gets the hang of it.

True Dat.

[bamorin]

Mar 8, 2018 14:20:47 GMT -5 daleko said:

Using the S/N, when was it made? FTWIW, I'd clean it up and shoot it. There's not a lot of potential for increased value reconditioning it. It's a fine everyday, workman's SXS. You may even want to consider using a Cerakote coating. It'll protect the metal and it'll look pretty good. Take care w a youngen shooting that double trigger.[/quote]

further investigation says this was produced in 1947. as Winchester gives ending ser # of a production year.

Got the barrels off today, ran the brass brush through them. Obvious this was shot with shells before plastic shot cups. Lots of lead came out, no plastic build up.
interesting pattern in the BBls. about every 10" you can see a step-down in bore diameter, before final choke is applied. Rt BBl is Mod, left is full. the concentric reflective rings suggest Cyl bore to Imp Cyl, to Mod. left bbl shows the same step-downs, in exact same distances, until the final step-down to full which covers approx the last 3" Full choke bbl had the most build up of lead throughout the bbl. Almost no case imprinting on the receiver. Not sure this was shot a lot.

went to the local gun store to get some supplies (didn't own a 16ga brass brush) They don't have brass wool in the cleaning supply section.......idiots. salesman said use 0000 steel........( marc thinkin to hisself he thinks....what a friggin idiot......making note to self, don't ask him if he knows a gunsmith)

My long shank screwdrivers are in my toolbox........my son has my tool box........gonna have to run to the hardware store and buy one. rear stock still attached to the receiver.

[daleko]

Mar 8, 2018 15:25:31 GMT -5 bamorin said:

further investigation says this was produced in 1947. as Winchester gives ending ser # of a production year.

Got the barrels off today, ran the brass brush through them. Obvious this was shot with shells before plastic shot cups. Lots of lead came out, no plastic build up.
interesting pattern in the BBls. about every 10" you can see a step-down in bore diameter, before final choke is applied. Rt BBl is Mod, left is full. the concentric reflective rings suggest Cyl bore to Imp Cyl, to Mod. left bbl shows the same step-downs, in exact same distances, until the final step-down to full which covers approx the last 3" Full choke bbl had the most build up of lead throughout the bbl. Almost no case imprinting on the receiver. Not sure this was shot a lot.

went to the local gun store to get some supplies (didn't own a 16ga brass brush) They don't have brass wool in the cleaning supply section.......idiots. salesman said use 0000 steel........( marc thinkin to hisself he thinks....what a friggin idiot......making note to self, don't ask him if he knows a gunsmith)

My long shank screwdrivers are in my toolbox........my son has my tool box........gonna have to run to the hardware store and buy one. rear stock still attached to the receiver.

Be REAL careful taking off the stock. Especially the screw. Some stuff could be hidden.

Today it's called back boring. Should be a smooth shooter.

L F, R M is typical of a "Northern" Duck, Goose, Pheasant SG.

Tool BOX? Jeez.

1947 eh. My fav year.

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Mar 8, 2018 15:44:29 GMT -5 daleko said:

Mar 8, 2018 15:25:31 GMT -5 bamorin said:

further investigation says this was produced in 1947. as Winchester gives ending ser # of a production year.

Got the barrels off today, ran the brass brush through them. Obvious this was shot with shells before plastic shot cups. Lots of lead came out, no plastic build up.
interesting pattern in the BBls. about every 10" you can see a step-down in bore diameter, before final choke is applied. Rt BBl is Mod, left is full. the concentric reflective rings suggest Cyl bore to Imp Cyl, to Mod. left bbl shows the same step-downs, in exact same distances, until the final step-down to full which covers approx the last 3" Full choke bbl had the most build up of lead throughout the bbl. Almost no case imprinting on the receiver. Not sure this was shot a lot.

went to the local gun store to get some supplies (didn't own a 16ga brass brush) They don't have brass wool in the cleaning supply section.......idiots. salesman said use 0000 steel........( marc thinkin to hisself he thinks....what a friggin idiot......making note to self, don't ask him if he knows a gunsmith)

My long shank screwdrivers are in my toolbox........my son has my tool box........gonna have to run to the hardware store and buy one. rear stock still attached to the receiver.

Be REAL careful taking off the stock. Especially the screw. Some stuff could be hidden.

Today it's called back boring. Should be a smooth shooter.

L F, R M is typical of a "Northern" Duck, Goose, Pheasant SG.

Tool BOX? Jeez.

1947 eh. My fav year.

Not to be a nitpicker, but this should be in the "general" gun stuff section.
It's fascinating, but not political.
I hope the gun can be restored to near new condition, but DON'T refinish it unless it is absolutely necessary.  Refinishing won't do anything for its value, except diminish it.   And if you find it is a family heirloom of some sort, I personally feel it would mean more to whomever "as is" but safely functional. 

The Spencer Carbine my family has is about in this condition, except for a small splintered portion of the butt stock where the magazine tube goes in.    The rimfire cartridges were loaded from the butt.   The carbine DOES function perfectly, but I doubt any of us wants to risk actually firing it.
But dig the prices of original guns AND ammo...........

www.gunbroker.com/item/752937923

www.gunbroker.com/item/753688954    <--- Ours is in MUCH BETTER SHAPE than this one!

www.gunbroker.com/item/752970171

www.gunbroker.com/item/754349964