If Only I Were Rich

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www.gunbroker.com/item/756917020

[Buckeye Dale]

See, we DO think alike....

[roxalot]

Mar 16, 2018 16:33:56 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

                      


www.gunbroker.com/item/756917020

Did that say "full auto"..?.. As an ex- LEO, are you allowed to possess one..?..

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Mar 16, 2018 19:04:00 GMT -5 roxalot said:

Mar 16, 2018 16:33:56 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

                      


www.gunbroker.com/item/756917020

Did that say "full auto"..?.. As an ex- LEO, are you allowed to possess one..?..

Absolutely I can possess one.
So can YOU (unless you can't own ANY guns).   All it takes is enough money.

People don't seem to understand that owning a fully automatic firearm is perfectly LEGAL.

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Damn, that's cheap! Perfectly legal for you guys but not for me here in Communist-run Commiefuckinfornia! f-word this shit!!!!!!!!!!!!

[roxalot]

Mar 16, 2018 19:14:58 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Mar 16, 2018 19:04:00 GMT -5 roxalot said:

Did that say "full auto"..?.. As an ex- LEO, are you allowed to possess one..?..

Absolutely I can possess one.
So can YOU (unless you can't own ANY guns).   All it takes is enough money.

People don't seem to understand that owning a fully automatic firearm is perfectly LEGAL.

Yep, you're right. Money talks and we know what walks. It also helps to have connections ( can save a lot of money ) in the 'right' place(s)...

[daleko]

Mar 16, 2018 22:25:14 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

Damn, that's cheap! 

Post Sample firearm. This firearm was assembled, from a kit, after 5/19/86

There are three types of machine guns that determine the gun’s legal status:

Transferable: Guns registered prior to May 19th, 1986 that are able to be owned by everyone. There are only 182,619 transferable machine guns according to the ATF. But the ATF says the error rate on pre-68 records is 50%.

Pre-Samples: Machine guns imported after 1968 but before May 19th, 1986. The 1968 GCA established that machine guns with no sporting purposes could not be sold to civilians. Dealers can however buy them and keep them after they give up their licenses. As a general rule, pre-samples cost about half that of a transferable.

Post-Samples: Machine guns made after the May 19th, 1986 cutoff date. These are only for dealers, manufacturers, military, and police. A manufacturer who pays $500 a year is permitted by the federal government to manufacture these. A dealer (who is not a manufacturer) may acquire these if a police agency provides a “demo letter”. A demo letter is simply a letter from a PD asking you to acquire a sample gun for them to test and evaluate for potential purchase. Unfortunately dealers must sell or destroy post samples when they give up their license.

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Mar 17, 2018 12:17:47 GMT -5 daleko said:

Mar 16, 2018 22:25:14 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

Damn, that's cheap! 

Post Sample firearm. This firearm was assembled, from a kit, after 5/19/86

There are three types of machine guns that determine the gun’s legal status:

Transferable: Guns registered prior to May 19th, 1986 that are able to be owned by everyone. There are only 182,619 transferable machine guns according to the ATF. But the ATF says the error rate on pre-68 records is 50%.

Pre-Samples: Machine guns imported after 1968 but before May 19th, 1986. The 1968 GCA established that machine guns with no sporting purposes could not be sold to civilians. Dealers can however buy them and keep them after they give up their licenses. As a general rule, pre-samples cost about half that of a transferable.

Post-Samples: Machine guns made after the May 19th, 1986 cutoff date. These are only for dealers, manufacturers, military, and police. A manufacturer who pays $500 a year is permitted by the federal government to manufacture these. A dealer (who is not a manufacturer) may acquire these if a police agency provides a “demo letter”. A demo letter is simply a letter from a PD asking you to acquire a sample gun for them to test and evaluate for potential purchase. Unfortunately dealers must sell or destroy post samples when they give up their license.

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't quite sure what post-sample meant. You da man!

[daleko]

Mar 17, 2018 12:25:45 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't quite sure what post-sample meant. You da man!

One sad part to a "Transferable" "Tommy Gun" is, depending on your age, grandpa's or great-grandpa's machine gun stored/hidden in the attic or behind a workbench in the basement, that has been recently found. The former has recently happened. Options? The time has passed to register it. So you have to find the paperwork, if it exists. If you find it and/or can prove that it was registered, you are now much richer if you apply for a tax free form 5 (estate transfer). If you cannot find paperwork you need to, torch cut the gun’s receiver and sell the parts, give it to a PD, or put the gun on a form 10 and give it to a museum (write an agreement that you can get the gun back if laws change). OR you do noting and become a felon.

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Mar 17, 2018 12:47:24 GMT -5 daleko said:

Mar 17, 2018 12:25:45 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't quite sure what post-sample meant. You da man!

One sad part to a "Transferable" "Tommy Gun" is, depending on your age, grandpa's or great-grandpa's machine gun stored/hidden in the attic or behind a workbench in the basement, that has been recently found. The former has recently happened. Options? The time has passed to register it. So you have to find the paperwork, if it exists. If you find it and/or can prove that it was registered, you are now much richer if you apply for a tax free form 5 (estate transfer). If you cannot find paperwork you need to, torch cut the gun’s receiver and sell the parts, give it to a PD, or put the gun on a form 10 and give it to a museum (write an agreement that you can get the gun back if laws change). OR you do noting and become a felon.

That I did know but many here do not. Heck, most here think an AR-15 is a machine gun even after we've explained it to them numerous times.

[roxalot]

I'm not so sure I would want a full auto. imo, it's a good way to waste a lot of valuable ammo. That and the fact that I can shoot a semi-auto about as fast as full. Full would fun to shoot , just not functional, to me anyway. Maybe three shot burst would be ok...

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Mar 17, 2018 22:34:37 GMT -5 roxalot said:

I'm not so sure I would want a full auto. imo, it's a good way to waste a lot of valuable ammo. That and the fact that I can shoot a semi-auto about as fast as full. Full would fun to shoot , just not functional, to me anyway. Maybe three shot burst would be ok...

Yes, you would have to be rich to enjoy full-auto firing.  It's definitely a waste in a non-combat situation.
If you think you can match its 800-1200 round per minute rate of fire with just your trigger finger, though, you are sadly mistaken.

[roxalot]

Mar 18, 2018 8:07:00 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Mar 17, 2018 22:34:37 GMT -5 roxalot said:

I'm not so sure I would want a full auto. imo, it's a good way to waste a lot of valuable ammo. That and the fact that I can shoot a semi-auto about as fast as full. Full would be fun to shoot , just not functional, to me anyway. Maybe three shot burst would be ok...

Yes, you would have to be rich to enjoy full-auto firing.  It's definitely a waste in a non-combat situation.
If you think you can match its 800-1200 round per minute rate of fire with just your trigger finger, though, you are sadly mistaken.

I have made my Marlin 30\30 lever action sound like full auto. Can do the same thing with my semi-auto 12 ga. Browning. I can empty them both and make it sound like one continuous shot. Not really that big of a deal. Can also do the same with my semi-auto pistols. One continuous sound. Can do it have done it, but don't, at least not very often. .. waste of ammo. Anyway, let me know when you get your hands on a Thompson that carries a 1000 round magazine.

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Mar 18, 2018 10:15:03 GMT -5 roxalot said:

Mar 18, 2018 8:07:00 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Yes, you would have to be rich to enjoy full-auto firing.  It's definitely a waste in a non-combat situation.
If you think you can match its 800-1200 round per minute rate of fire with just your trigger finger, though, you are sadly mistaken.

I have made my Marlin 30\30 lever action sound like full auto. Can do the same thing with my semi-auto 12 ga. Browning. I can empty them both and make it sound like one continuous shot. Not really that big of a deal. Can also do the same with my semi-auto pistols. One continuous sound. Can do it have done it, but don't, at least not very often. .. waste of ammo. Anyway, let me know when you get your hands on a Thompson that carries a 1000 round magazine.

Well, you are certainly a much better gunslinger than I am.

Rate of fire isn't dependent on magazine capacity.  It simply means that if I have a 100 round drum mag for my Tommy gun, I can empty it in 5 seconds at 1200 RPM.

Even Jerry Miculek can't make a handgun sound like a machine gun, and I KNOW you ain't as fast as him.

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The thing that always scared me about full auto or simulated full auto is if you get a squib mid-mag and the barrel or receiver blows up in your face