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Post by oujour76 on Mar 25, 2018 8:45:41 GMT -5
I don't think the facts back up the claim, but as I said, ok by me. So you're calling the family liars
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 8:52:47 GMT -5
So you're calling the family liars
It wasnt being used to kill a bunch of innocent people back then either. Plus I'm willing to bet anything the number of AR 15s owned by regular citizens in 1997 are an extremely tiny fraction compared to today. |
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Post by oujour76 on Mar 25, 2018 9:12:47 GMT -5
No, haven't called anybody a liar. The AR-15 was in commercial use for 30+ years before Stoner died in 1997. That's plenty of time for him to voice an opinion somewhere and to somebody on the subject.
It wasnt being used to kill a bunch of innocent people back then either. You're proving the point that it's not the gun itself, it's the people. And, at that, a very small minority of people. The gun hasn't changed, but I can't say the same for people and our society as a whole.
Plus I'm willing to bet anything the number of AR 15s owned by regular citizens in 1997 are an extremely tiny fraction compared to today. Not sure what the relevance is there... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 9:22:38 GMT -5
It wasnt being used to kill a bunch of innocent people back then either. You're proving the point that it's not the gun itself, it's the people. And, at that, a very small minority of people. The gun hasn't changed, but I can't say the same for people and our society as a whole.
Plus I'm willing to bet anything the number of AR 15s owned by regular citizens in 1997 are an extremely tiny fraction compared to today. Not sure what the relevance is there... Times change. If 10 people had AR 15s in 1997 maybe that's the reason they weren't used for mass shootings. But now 60 million own them and now they're the choice of all mass shooters. |
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Post by oujour76 on Mar 25, 2018 9:28:25 GMT -5
Times change. If 10 people had AR 15s in 1997 maybe that's the reason they weren't used for mass shootings. Don't know the number, but I'll assure you that more than 10 people bought the gun in 30-years. But now 60 million own them and now they're the choice of all mass shooters. Not even close to the right number and not even close to the truth on all mass shootings.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 9:45:14 GMT -5
Times change. If 10 people had AR 15s in 1997 maybe that's the reason they weren't used for mass shootings. Don't know the number, but I'll assure you that more than 10 people bought the gun in 30-years. But now 60 million own them and now they're the choice of all mass shooters. Not even close to the right number and not even close to the truth on all mass shootings.
Newtown, Connecticut, in 2012; San Bernardino, California, in 2015; Orlando, Florida, in 2016; Las Vegas in 2017; and Sutherland Springs, Texas, 2017, Parkland 2018 — the attackers primarily used AR-15s. www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/5160355/ar-15-rifle-florida-parkland-school-shootingMany Mass Shootings in America Have 1 Thing in Common: AR-15 Rifles Six of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in the U.S. over the past decade have used an AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 10:40:48 GMT -5
No, haven't called anybody a liar. The AR-15 was in commercial use for 30+ years before Stoner died in 1997. That's plenty of time for him to voice an opinion somewhere and to somebody on the subject.
It wasnt being used to kill a bunch of innocent people back then either. Plus I'm willing to bet anything the number of AR 15s owned by regular citizens in 1997 are an extremely tiny fraction compared to today. Hi-Points are being used all over Chicago, Baltimore, Cleveland, St. Louis, etc. and killing a lot more people than AR's ever will. Why aren't you crying about that? |
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Post by oujour76 on Mar 25, 2018 10:43:53 GMT -5
Newtown, Connecticut, in 2012; San Bernardino, California, in 2015; Orlando, Florida, in 2016; Las Vegas in 2017; and Sutherland Springs, Texas, 2017, Parkland 2018 — the attackers primarily used AR-15s. www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/5160355/ar-15-rifle-florida-parkland-school-shootingMany Mass Shootings in America Have 1 Thing in Common: AR-15 Rifles Six of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in the U.S. over the past decade have used an AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 10:49:19 GMT -5
Newtown, Connecticut, in 2012; San Bernardino, California, in 2015; Orlando, Florida, in 2016; Las Vegas in 2017; and Sutherland Springs, Texas, 2017, Parkland 2018 — the attackers primarily used AR-15s. www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/5160355/ar-15-rifle-florida-parkland-school-shootingMany Mass Shootings in America Have 1 Thing in Common: AR-15 Rifles Six of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in the U.S. over the past decade have used an AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle.
And the odds of using a gun for self defense is practically 0. Of the 30,000 or so gun deaths in 2016 there was only 250 documented cases of a gun being used for self defense or defense of others. So the guy freaks claiming all their guns are for self defense is BS And history??? List the top 10 deadliest shootings in all of American history. Then see how many of them used AR 15s How is that selective? Maybe because those mass shootings in 1945 they didnt have AR 15s that cause more people to be killed?? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 10:51:24 GMT -5
It wasnt being used to kill a bunch of innocent people back then either. Plus I'm willing to bet anything the number of AR 15s owned by regular citizens in 1997 are an extremely tiny fraction compared to today. Hi-Points are being used all over Chicago, Baltimore, Cleveland, St. Louis, etc. and killing a lot more people than AR's ever will. Why aren't you crying about that? Why aren't you |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 10:51:57 GMT -5
"Mass shootings" committed with an AR-15's is just a rallying point for idiots like Mike to gladly let government and anti-gun billionaires strip away their rights and freedom. When I see those big crowds protesting it makes me fear for the country knowing there are so many stupid people who don't realize what is actually going on here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 10:53:40 GMT -5
Very selective stats and I get why you use them, but if you look at the history of mass shootings, far more are done with handguns. Expand the view to gun homicides only and that becomes even more true. Mass shootings (understandably) get a big play in the media, but the truth is they are rare occurrences. When it comes to gun violence, handguns are the big issue in this country, not AR-15's.
And the odds of using a gun for self defense is practically 0. Of the 30,000 or so gun deaths in 2016 there was were only 250 documented cases of a gun being used for self defense or defense of others. So the guy freaks claiming all their guns are for self defense is BS And history??? List the top 10 deadliest shootings in all of American history. Then see how many of them used AR 15s How is that selective? Where do you come up with this shit? Your posts are always full of lies, selective data and made up exaggerations. You're not helping your cause one bit. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 11:08:46 GMT -5
And the odds of using a gun for self defense is practically 0. Of the 30,000 or so gun deaths in 2016 there was were only 250 documented cases of a gun being used for self defense or defense of others. So the guy freaks claiming all their guns are for self defense is BS And history??? List the top 10 deadliest shootings in all of American history. Then see how many of them used AR 15s How is that selective? Where do you come up with this shit? Your posts are always full of lies, selective data and made up exaggerations. You're not helping your cause one bit. More than 30,000 people are and shot and killed in the U.S. each year. About two-thirds of these, 20,000 people, are suicides. A bit less than a third of all gun deaths are homicides. That's about 10,000 people a year Homicides are often classified as one individual intentionally killing another. Walking into a room with a handgun you think isn't loaded and accidentally shooting your old girlfriend's boyfriend (who used to be your best friend) as he tries to jump out of the way is considered an accident by most law enforcement officials. Remember that. This is a case where guns kill people and people just stand around and watch. There are about 500 gun accidents of this kind a year. One out of 10 of them will be a child. About 250 Americans manage to shoot a bad guy per year Given that important caveat, let's do the math on what remains. After all, we're interested in how often bullets wind up in bad guys, not how often guns protect us. What we find is this: One justified gun death per 2 accidental deaths. Five justified deaths per accidental child death. About 1000 illegal deaths per justified death. About 100 suicides per justified death. About 100 homicides per 2 justified deaths. To add some more painful perspective, you are about 1500 times more likely to be shot by a true American than by a terrorist. Hunters, true Americans according to many, accidentally shoot about 1000 people a year, roughly 50 times more than terrorists. About 500 people a year are killed by mass shooters, still putting terrorists to shame. The reality seems to be that when our bullets don't wind up in non-human animals or street signs, then when you use one to shoot someone, about 99 times out of a 100, you will commit a felony, shoot yourself, or shoot someone by accident. In one out of a hundred cases, you shoot the bad guy. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 11:22:31 GMT -5
"Mass shootings" committed with an AR-15's is just a rallying point for idiots like Mike to gladly let government and anti-gun billionaires strip away their rights and freedom. When I see those big crowds protesting it makes me fear for the country knowing there are so many stupid people who don't realize what is actually going on here. What right and freedom that I have will be taken away from these marches yesterday. Do tell |
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Post by oujour76 on Mar 25, 2018 11:26:34 GMT -5
Very selective stats and I get why you use them, but if you look at the history of mass shootings, far more are done with handguns. Expand the view to gun homicides only and that becomes even more true. Mass shootings (understandably) get a big play in the media, but the truth is they are rare occurrences. When it comes to gun violence, handguns are the big issue in this country, not AR-15's.
And the odds of using a gun for self defense is practically 0. Of the 30,000 or so gun deaths in 2016 there was only 250 documented cases of a gun being used for self defense or defense of others. So the guy freaks claiming all their guns are for self defense is BS And history??? List the top 10 deadliest shootings in all of American history. Then see how many of them used AR 15s How is that selective? Maybe because those mass shootings in 1945 they didnt have AR 15s that cause more people to be killed??
www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/assault-weapons-deaths_us_5763109de4b015db1bc8c123 |
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