For the Cav and James fans tonight...

[oujour76]

May 29, 2018 14:04:13 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

May 29, 2018 10:07:12 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Different players, different teams and different circumstances. Personally, I think Lebron is as good of a player, if not better, than Jordan. Again, personal opinion only.

I would put Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson ahead of LeBron James

That's fair...as I said in another post, if I were starting a team, Magic is the first player I would choose. Best all-around player I ever watched. Best 3 all-around I've ever seen are Magic, Bird and Lebron. Personal preference is all. Kobe and Jordan are also phenomenal talents, no argument there. Some of the old guys could play too...Wilt, Russell, Jabbar, Robertson, West, Havlicek and no doubt I'm missing some.

[daleko]

May 29, 2018 8:38:57 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

May 28, 2018 16:37:50 GMT -5 Walter said:

To try to get this back to basketball, Boston reminded me of the early MJ Bulls teams, a little too green to be able to deal with the gravity of the moment and thus not yet ready to claim a title.
I'm getting real close to saying that LaBron is the greatest basketball player I've ever seen play the game.

lebron is the greatest and i don't even know why it's still a debate.  i guess debating his greatness provides great content for people.  

boston is young and fast and well coached.  they will be around for a while.  

Time and place. Different era, w different rules, w a different game strategy breed difference of opinions. The game that LJ thrives in wasn't around "back when". LJ carries a team, others, in their day, carried a league. IMO, enjoy his talent and let history age a bit then review. If you want to suggest he's one of the best one on one players, not needing a "feeder" perhaps so. Two on two, first to 10 buckets, pick Kareem or Wilt and the best PG is available. Heck pick the Big O. 

[Walter]

May 29, 2018 14:04:13 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

May 29, 2018 10:07:12 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Different players, different teams and different circumstances. Personally, I think Lebron is as good of a player, if not better, than Jordan. Again, personal opinion only.

I would put Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson ahead of LeBron James

LeBron has gotten to the finals with no other all stars on his team.
That says a lot.
Magic had 3 HOFrs, Kobe, two or maybe three. MJ had at least one HOF teammate.
Face it. The Cavs only MAYBE make the playoffs without him. Cannot say that about any Laker team or Bulls team.

[cbisbig]

May 29, 2018 21:45:05 GMT -5 Walter said:

May 29, 2018 14:04:13 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

I would put Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson ahead of LeBron James

LeBron has gotten to the finals with no other all stars on his team.
That says a lot.
Magic had 3 HOFrs, Kobe, two or maybe three. MJ had at least one HOF teammate.
Face it. The Cavs only MAYBE make the playoffs without him. Cannot say that about any Laker team or Bulls team.

I guess but MJ is still the GOAT.


Feb 7, 2018 at 1:34pm mscott59 said:

Feb 7, 2018 at 12:01pm cbisbig said:
What's his record in Championship games?

james has proven to be more versatile on offense and defense, at an elite level I'd argue, than any of those players.



Except for Jordon who has 5 league MVP awards to Lbjs 4
Jordon has 2 Defensive poy and 9 First team all defense
James has 0 def poy and 4 first team defense
Jordon has 10 scoring titles
James has 1
Jordon is 6-0 in the finals
James is 3-5
Jordon is a 6 time Finals Mvp
James has 3

they bot have 14 all star game appearances

Read more: aolcfboutcasts.proboards.com/thread/34347/lebron-team-cancer?page=1#ixzz5Gyyetl00

[cbisbig]

May 29, 2018 21:45:05 GMT -5 Walter said:

May 29, 2018 14:04:13 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

I would put Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson ahead of LeBron James

LeBron has gotten to the finals with no other all stars on his team.
That says a lot.
Magic had 3 HOFrs, Kobe, two or maybe three. MJ had at least one HOF teammate.
Face it. The Cavs only MAYBE make the playoffs without him. Cannot say that about any Laker team or Bulls team.

Also I started thinking and MJ played AGAINST more future HOFamers ...Reggie Miller,Carl Malone,John Stockton,Isaiha Thomas,Patrick Ewing,Charles Barkley,Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajiwan,Kobe Bryant...I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch of guys

[daleko]

May 30, 2018 15:33:50 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

May 29, 2018 21:45:05 GMT -5 Walter said:

LeBron has gotten to the finals with no other all stars on his team.
That says a lot.
Magic had 3 HOFrs, Kobe, two or maybe three. MJ had at least one HOF teammate.
Face it. The Cavs only MAYBE make the playoffs without him. Cannot say that about any Laker team or Bulls team.

Also I started thinking and MJ played AGAINST more future HOFamers ...Reggie Miller,Carl Malone,John Stockton,Isaiha Thomas,Patrick Ewing,Charles Barkley,Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajiwan,Kobe Bryant...I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch of guys

Waiting period is 3 yrs after they retire. We'll see. History. He's played w a cpl for sure. Against? More than a few.

[Mickey34jb]

May 30, 2018 15:33:50 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

May 29, 2018 21:45:05 GMT -5 Walter said:

LeBron has gotten to the finals with no other all stars on his team.
That says a lot.
Magic had 3 HOFrs, Kobe, two or maybe three. MJ had at least one HOF teammate.
Face it. The Cavs only MAYBE make the playoffs without him. Cannot say that about any Laker team or Bulls team.

Also I started thinking and MJ played AGAINST more future HOFamers ...Reggie Miller,Carl Malone,John Stockton,Isaiha Thomas,Patrick Ewing,Charles Barkley,Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajiwan,Kobe Bryant...I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch of guys

CB__Lebron is playing against 4 future hall of famers right now vs Golden State____MJ and Pippen(HOF'er) dealt with them one or two at at time.

[cbisbig]

Jun 4, 2018 6:26:03 GMT -5 Mickey34jb said:

May 30, 2018 15:33:50 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Also I started thinking and MJ played AGAINST more future HOFamers ...Reggie Miller,Carl Malone,John Stockton,Isaiha Thomas,Patrick Ewing,Charles Barkley,Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajiwan,Kobe Bryant...I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch of guys

CB__Lebron is playing against 4 future hall of famers right now vs Golden State____MJ and Pippen(HOF'er) dealt with them one or two at at time.

I guess you can speculate he's playing against for Hall of Famers Michael Jordan actually played against the 8990 Pistons who had Isaiah Thomas Joe Dumars Dennis Rodman all in the Hall of Fame Bill Laimbeer who is probably the next to go into the Hall of Fame

And before you say well those games weren't in the finals all you have to do is look at the teams Jordan played in the finals and their rosters are loaded with Hall of Famers

[Mickey34jb]

Jun 4, 2018 9:14:56 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Jun 4, 2018 6:26:03 GMT -5 Mickey34jb said:

CB__Lebron is playing against 4 future hall of famers right now vs Golden State____MJ and Pippen(HOF'er) dealt with them one or two at at time.

I guess you can speculate he's playing against for Hall of Famers Michael Jordan actually played against the 8990 Pistons who had Isaiah Thomas Joe Dumars Dennis Rodman all in the Hall of Fame Bill Laimbeer who is probably the next to go into the Hall of Fame

And before you say well those games weren't in the finals all you have to do is look at the teams Jordan played in the finals and their rosters are loaded with Hall of Famers

Those '87 and '88 Pistons teams beat up MJ pretty bad though__any time he drove to the hole, he was hit/tackled. The era he played was more physical than today. Today for LBJ there is replay and flagrant fouls (1 & 2). Its difficult to say with 2 different eras. MJ's HOF'ers opponents are probably better than LeBRONs' as I look at your list and mine.

[cbisbig]

Jun 4, 2018 21:12:09 GMT -5 Mickey34jb said:

Jun 4, 2018 9:14:56 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

I guess you can speculate he's playing against for Hall of Famers Michael Jordan actually played against the 8990 Pistons who had Isaiah Thomas Joe Dumars Dennis Rodman all in the Hall of Fame Bill Laimbeer who is probably the next to go into the Hall of Fame

And before you say well those games weren't in the finals all you have to do is look at the teams Jordan played in the finals and their rosters are loaded with Hall of Famers

Those '87 and '88 Pistons teams beat up MJ pretty bad though__any time he drove to the hole, he was hit/tackled. The era he played was more physical than today. Today for LBJ there is replay and flagrant fouls (1 & 2). Its difficult to say with 2 different eras. MJ's HOF'ers opponents are probably better than LeBRONs' as I look at your list and mine.

Fair enough

[Walter]

Jun 5, 2018 5:52:28 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Jun 4, 2018 21:12:09 GMT -5 Mickey34jb said:

Those '87 and '88 Pistons teams beat up MJ pretty bad though__any time he drove to the hole, he was hit/tackled. The era he played was more physical than today. Today for LBJ there is replay and flagrant fouls (1 & 2). Its difficult to say with 2 different eras. MJ's HOF'ers opponents are probably better than LeBRONs' as I look at your list and mine.

Fair enough

I gotta agree. The Laker/ Piston finals in the 80s could never happen today. Those finals were out and out wars.
The handchecking rule and the low post rule have totally changed the game. Barkley's low post game and claim to fame is not even legal today.

[cbisbig]

LeBron is one game away from a second finals sweep of his career.
While making the finals 8 straight times ( even though Michael Jordan went six straight times and won every one of them and could possibly have won eight Straight had he not played baseball) a 3-6 record is not that impressive for someone being compared to Jordan.
Even Robert Horry had 6 or 7 rings