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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 18:10:14 GMT -5
Whitetail I guess, or mule deer? All we have around here are blacktails (that's racist). The largest bucks are only around 150 pounds before getting shot. We've got elk just little bit north and they get quite big.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 18:35:50 GMT -5
Thanks for all that. Remind me NOT to try hunting in Ohio.
Has anyone in authority explained the REASON for the silly case-shape limitations? What is the science behind them?
trying to write the laws to the lowest common denominator. However, if you were a hunter, especially a deer hunter, Ohio is a prime area for not only trophy sized racks, but big bodied deer. The next to last one i shot was weighed at the butcher shop at 285 pounds. live on the hoof weight was 340-350 pounds. Our yearling Does are bigger than most anything y'all have in southern Louisiana. That's cause y'all are such bad shots, you can't hit them before they grow old, fat and slow.
I don't deer hunt anyway, so it really doesn't matter to me how big they are.
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Post by bamorin on Sept 20, 2018 6:55:54 GMT -5
trying to write the laws to the lowest common denominator. However, if you were a hunter, especially a deer hunter, Ohio is a prime area for not only trophy sized racks, but big bodied deer. The next to last one i shot was weighed at the butcher shop at 285 pounds. live on the hoof weight was 340-350 pounds. Our yearling Does are bigger than most anything y'all have in southern Louisiana. That's cause y'all are such bad shots, you can't hit them before they grow old, fat and slow.
I don't deer hunt anyway, so it really doesn't matter to me how big they are.
Ha, actually I watched, and waited until he serviced the last doe. He was just standing there enjoying the day, all relaxed, care free. Took a little while for the slug to travel the 167 yards. Time to drop vertically 3 feet or so was a lot less. |
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Post by bamorin on Sept 20, 2018 6:58:18 GMT -5
Whitetail I guess, or mule deer? All we have around here are blacktails (that's racist). The largest bucks are only around 150 pounds before getting shot. We've got elk just little bit north and they get quite big. tail.........and as my daddy always said............."shoot!!!" .....racist?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 8:04:59 GMT -5
That's cause y'all are such bad shots, you can't hit them before they grow old, fat and slow.
I don't deer hunt anyway, so it really doesn't matter to me how big they are.
Ha, actually I watched, and waited until he serviced the last doe. He was just standing there enjoying the day, all relaxed, care free. Took a little while for the slug to travel the 167 yards. Time to drop vertically 3 feet or so was a lot less. That's MURDER!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 8:10:07 GMT -5
Whitetail I guess, or mule deer? All we have around here are blacktails (that's racist). The largest bucks are only around 150 pounds before getting shot. We've got elk just little bit north and they get quite big. tail.........and as my daddy always said............."shoot!!!" .....racist? Someone is getting confused. Whitetail are the SMALLEST members of the deer family.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 8:30:07 GMT -5
Whitetail.........and as my daddy always said............."shoot!!!" .....racist? Someone is getting confused. Whitetail are the SMALLEST members of the deer family.
You're an idiot. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 8:41:49 GMT -5
Someone is getting confused. Whitetail are the SMALLEST members of the deer family.
You're an idiot.
Wrong. You should learn about wildlife sometime.
"White-tailed deer, the smallest members of the North American deer family, are found from southern Canada to South America.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 8:47:56 GMT -5
Wrong. You should learn about wildlife sometime. "White-tailed deer, the smallest members of the North American deer family, are found from southern Canada to South America.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 9:16:23 GMT -5
Wrong. You should learn about wildlife sometime. "White-tailed deer, the smallest members of the North American deer family, are found from southern Canada to South America.
You don't know much about deer. Yeah, I guess National Geographic doesn't, either. It is common knowledge and FACT that whitetail are the smallest.
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Post by bamorin on Sept 20, 2018 10:34:00 GMT -5
Whitetail.........and as my daddy always said............."shoot!!!" .....racist? Someone is getting confused. Whitetail are the SMALLEST members of the deer family.
smallest average..........southern whitetail deer are small, northern whitetail deer can get huge. Blacktail deer on "average" are larger due to no very small southern strains. The link you have says 300lbs is top weight. That is way off. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 10:41:40 GMT -5
Someone is getting confused. Whitetail are the SMALLEST members of the deer family.
smallest average..........southern whitetail deer are small, northern whitetail deer can get huge. Blacktail deer on "average" are larger due to no very small southern strains. The link you have says 300lbs is top weight. That is way off.
And "average " is what ALL measures are based on. A 7'3" tall basketball player is certainly NOT the size of the average human being.
Neither was Verne Troyer.
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Post by bamorin on Sept 20, 2018 10:42:31 GMT -5
There was a day not so long ago when deer hunters across North America were absolutely fascinated with big bucks.
No, not big racks — big bucks. Huge, giant, monstrous creatures. Or, as the old-timers called them, “real slobberknockers.”
Antlers were adored, but they were almost secondary when it came to describing a buck’s status. “What did he weigh?” was often the first question asked of a successful hunter. This infatuation hasn’t died completely. A buck’s hog-dressed weight is still a badge of honor for hunters in the Northeast, Upper Great Lakes and Canada.
From what we can gather, the heaviest whitetail ever shot was killed by a bow-hunter, John Annett of Ontario, in 1977. The deer field dressed 431 pounds on government-certified scales. That would have given it an estimated live weight of more than 540 pounds. However, reports indicate the buck was butchered before Canadian authorities could inspect it.
Second place seemingly belongs to a 402-pound Minnesota buck killed by Carl Lenander Jr. in 1926. Conservation officials estimated the live weight at 511 pounds.
Third place would go to a Maine buck killed by Horace R. Hinckley in 1955. Hinckley reportedly spent three days searching for a scale large enough to properly weigh his buck. With a Maine Sealer of Weights witness present, the buck officially tipped the scales at 355 pounds, giving it a live weight of 451 pounds. Hinckley’s buck had a 28-inch neck girth and a 56-inch chest girth.
Fourth place goes to a 321-pound buck killed in Bayfield County, Wisconsin, in 1938. We don’t know the hunter’s name, but the weight was verified. Fifth place would have to go to a buck killed in New York in 1946. That deer officially weighed 291 pounds dressed.
These rankings are open for debate. While researching this topic with my friend Keith McCaffery, a retired deer research biologist, we found several mentions of heavier deer. However, none of those weights were verified. Included in that list are a 1907 Wisconsin buck that allegedly weighed 437 pounds dressed, and a 1924 Wisconsin buck that weighed 386 pounds.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 11:57:23 GMT -5
There was a day not so long ago when deer hunters across North America were absolutely fascinated with big bucks. No, not big racks — big bucks. Huge, giant, monstrous creatures. Or, as the old-timers called them, “real slobberknockers.” Antlers were adored, but they were almost secondary when it came to describing a buck’s status. “What did he weigh?” was often the first question asked of a successful hunter. This infatuation hasn’t died completely. A buck’s hog-dressed weight is still a badge of honor for hunters in the Northeast, Upper Great Lakes and Canada. From what we can gather, the heaviest whitetail ever shot was killed by a bow-hunter, John Annett of Ontario, in 1977. The deer field dressed 431 pounds on government-certified scales. That would have given it an estimated live weight of more than 540 pounds. However, reports indicate the buck was butchered before Canadian authorities could inspect it. Second place seemingly belongs to a 402-pound Minnesota buck killed by Carl Lenander Jr. in 1926. Conservation officials estimated the live weight at 511 pounds. Third place would go to a Maine buck killed by Horace R. Hinckley in 1955. Hinckley reportedly spent three days searching for a scale large enough to properly weigh his buck. With a Maine Sealer of Weights witness present, the buck officially tipped the scales at 355 pounds, giving it a live weight of 451 pounds. Hinckley’s buck had a 28-inch neck girth and a 56-inch chest girth. Fourth place goes to a 321-pound buck killed in Bayfield County, Wisconsin, in 1938. We don’t know the hunter’s name, but the weight was verified. Fifth place would have to go to a buck killed in New York in 1946. That deer officially weighed 291 pounds dressed. These rankings are open for debate. While researching this topic with my friend Keith McCaffery, a retired deer research biologist, we found several mentions of heavier deer. However, none of those weights were verified. Included in that list are a 1907 Wisconsin buck that allegedly weighed 437 pounds dressed, and a 1924 Wisconsin buck that weighed 386 pounds.
As I have already noted, "average" is the norm. There are always exceptions outside the norm. Wildlife scientists have determined/declared that the whitetail deer is the smallest member of the North American deer family, so that's good enough for me.
I don't know how much proof you need that mule deer are bigger than whitetail, but here is more: "O. virginianus [Whitetail] rarely exceeds 42 inches in height at the shoulders, with 36 to 40 inches being common. Its length (nose to tip of tail) runs from 60 to 75 inches or so, with live weight averaging around 150 pounds."
[Odocoileus hemionus --- mule deer]
"The mule deer is the largest of the Odocoileus genus, standing, on the average, 40 to 42 inches at the shoulders and stretching 80 inches or so nose to tail. An adult buck will weigh from 150 to 300 pounds on the hoof, with does averaging 100 to 175 pounds."
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