The Story Of Ivermectin And COVID-19

[daleko]

Sept 9, 2021 11:36:07 GMT -5 Walter said:

Sept 9, 2021 11:32:55 GMT -5 daleko said:

The system. Perhaps.

While I can't suggest the efficacy of Ivermectin, this sit rep, to me, might be akin to my long standing belief using LDn in off script applications could be beneficial and isn't because of the lack of dollars to the bottom line V the effort to gain application. Along w a risk/gain equation. And, although not the case w COVID, the market, many times, is niche. 

But we deal w the system we have, world-wide, in pharma development. Generally, off script application isn't accepted or rewarded. Plus w the litigation risk, isn't a sought after alternative.

LDn development has been progressing because Universities have gone ahead and studied it. 

The standard for approval is simple. Prove it does what you say it will do and won't harm anyone.
That's not a high bar. If a company can't be bothered to do it, why is that the government's fault?

I'm not saying it's .gov. You asked a Q and I answered it as I see it. The system is what it is and some try to work through it. Most don't.

As an aside, working w .gov is not always easy or simple. You know that better than most.

Further, if you ever watch TV ads, especially those involving pharma, they all devote X sec, at the end, to the downside, no? Not harming anyone generally isn't real word. If that was the case, why the add-on disclaimers? And sometimes everyone gets it wrong and litigation is the result.

[Walter]

Sept 9, 2021 12:06:57 GMT -5 daleko said:

Sept 9, 2021 11:36:07 GMT -5 Walter said:

The standard for approval is simple. Prove it does what you say it will do and won't harm anyone.
That's not a high bar. If a company can't be bothered to do it, why is that the government's fault?

I'm not saying it's .gov. You asked a Q and I answered it as I see it. The system is what it is and some try to work through it. Most don't.

As an aside, working w .gov is not always easy or simple. You know that better than most.

Further, if you ever watch TV ads, especially those involving pharma, they all devote X sec, at the end, to the downside, no? Not harming anyone generally isn't real word. If that was the case, why the add-on disclaimers? And sometimes everyone gets it wrong and litigation is the result.

Saying that working w/ gov't is hard is a copout. The government has an agenda, whether it be fire door access in a dance hall or efficacy of a drug.
You wanna play? Learn the rules and do your job.

And you're right, the absolute of 'won't harm anyone' is a vast overstatement. I'm getting an IV every three weeks that could shut down my kidney and liver next week. So the drug is a balance between cancer and dead or cancer free and some possibility of dead. Obviously, those who die from drug reactions is not the FDA's goal, but somebody is weighing the advantages and saying, "Its' worth the risk." That isn't happening with Ivermectin and Covid. Yet Fred is posting places to get it as if he or one of the internet dopes he follows evaluated the data (that doesn't exist) and pronounced it legit. That ain't right.

[Panama pfRedd]

Sept 9, 2021 11:32:55 GMT -5 daleko said:

Sept 2, 2021 12:47:47 GMT -5 Walter said:

The drug manufacturer has never submitted the drug tests to FDA for use against Covid.
Whose fault is that?

The system. Perhaps.

While I can't suggest the efficacy of Ivermectin, this sit rep, to me, might be akin to my long standing belief using LDn in off script applications could be beneficial and isn't because of the lack of dollars to the bottom line V the effort to gain application. Along w a risk/gain equation. And, although not the case w COVID, the market, many times, is niche. 

But we deal w the system we have, world-wide, in pharma development. Generally, off script application isn't accepted or rewarded. Plus w the litigation risk, isn't a sought after alternative.

LDn development has been progressing because Universities have gone ahead and studied it. 

My wife has been on LDN for a couple of years, NAC for much longer. Her disease has not progressively worsened as is often the case.

[Panama pfRedd]

Sept 9, 2021 11:36:07 GMT -5 Walter said:

Sept 9, 2021 11:32:55 GMT -5 daleko said:

The system. Perhaps.

While I can't suggest the efficacy of Ivermectin, this sit rep, to me, might be akin to my long standing belief using LDn in off script applications could be beneficial and isn't because of the lack of dollars to the bottom line V the effort to gain application. Along w a risk/gain equation. And, although not the case w COVID, the market, many times, is niche. 

But we deal w the system we have, world-wide, in pharma development. Generally, off script application isn't accepted or rewarded. Plus w the litigation risk, isn't a sought after alternative.

LDn development has been progressing because Universities have gone ahead and studied it. 

The standard for approval is simple. Prove it does what you say it will do and won't harm anyone.
That's not a high bar. If a company can't be bothered to do it, why is that the government's fault?

How many people has your "vaccine" killed again?

[Panama pfRedd]

Sept 9, 2021 12:42:27 GMT -5 Walter said:

Sept 9, 2021 12:06:57 GMT -5 daleko said:

I'm not saying it's .gov. You asked a Q and I answered it as I see it. The system is what it is and some try to work through it. Most don't.

As an aside, working w .gov is not always easy or simple. You know that better than most.

Further, if you ever watch TV ads, especially those involving pharma, they all devote X sec, at the end, to the downside, no? Not harming anyone generally isn't real word. If that was the case, why the add-on disclaimers? And sometimes everyone gets it wrong and litigation is the result.

Saying that working w/ gov't is hard is a copout. The government has an agenda, whether it be fire door access in a dance hall or efficacy of a drug.
You wanna play? Learn the rules and do your job.

And you're right, the absolute of 'won't harm anyone' is a vast overstatement. I'm getting an IV every three weeks that could shut down my kidney and liver next week. So the drug is a balance between cancer and dead or cancer free and some possibility of dead. Obviously, those who die from drug reactions is not the FDA's goal, but somebody is weighing the advantages and saying, "Its' worth the risk." That isn't happening with Ivermectin and Covid. Yet Fred is posting places to get it as if he or one of the internet dopes he follows evaluated the data (that doesn't exist) and pronounced it legit. That ain't right.

I don't follow anyone, jackass democrat. I keep open eyes and ears, and through due diligence come to a reasonable conclusion, never blindly trusting government or anyone else. So keep your snarky bullshit stowed, creep.

[Panama pfRedd]

Who wins if we are so distracted arguing about those willing or not to get a vaccine that is proving more and more to be ineffective against mutations that we forget to ask where it came from and if its spread was intentional?

Why is the media so reluctant to point the finger at the most probable origin of all this bullshit? Why are they so scared to ask the hard questions out loud? Why does it seem like they would rather have us fight with each other rather than ask hard questions and demand truthful answers?

All those questions point in one direction. Refusing to look down a dark path and trying to ignore the obvious just further erodes trust in organizations and institutions to the point that it threatens their existence.

[Walter]

Sept 9, 2021 13:09:17 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Sept 9, 2021 12:42:27 GMT -5 Walter said:

Saying that working w/ gov't is hard is a copout. The government has an agenda, whether it be fire door access in a dance hall or efficacy of a drug.
You wanna play? Learn the rules and do your job.

And you're right, the absolute of 'won't harm anyone' is a vast overstatement. I'm getting an IV every three weeks that could shut down my kidney and liver next week. So the drug is a balance between cancer and dead or cancer free and some possibility of dead. Obviously, those who die from drug reactions is not the FDA's goal, but somebody is weighing the advantages and saying, "Its' worth the risk." That isn't happening with Ivermectin and Covid. Yet Fred is posting places to get it as if he or one of the internet dopes he follows evaluated the data (that doesn't exist) and pronounced it legit. That ain't right.

I don't follow anyone, jackass democrat. I keep open eyes and ears, and through due diligence come to a reasonable conclusion, never blindly trusting government or anyone else. So keep your snarky bullshit stowed, creep.

Oh, really? Due diligence?
Okay, cite the results of testing of Ivermectin to treat Covid. Tell us how you decided 12 mg was an effective dose, how many doses are needed and at what interval. Where did you find that data? Link the report by the folks that make it and that claim what you are relying upon.

Thanks in advance.
(Insult and non-answer in 3...2...1...)

[daleko]

Sept 9, 2021 13:04:41 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Sept 9, 2021 11:32:55 GMT -5 daleko said:

My wife has been on LDN for a couple of years, NAC for much longer. Her disease has not progressively worsened as is often the case.

Good news. Actually nothing can repair/replace what's been done but if you can abate progression, a progression that happens if left alone (the speed varies), quality of life improves. MDs are starting to accept what DOs have looked at for years. 

[Panama pfRedd]

Sept 10, 2021 11:20:48 GMT -5 daleko said:

Sept 9, 2021 13:04:41 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

My wife has been on LDN for a couple of years, NAC for much longer. Her disease has not progressively worsened as is often the case.

Good news. Actually nothing can repair/replace what's been done but if you can abate progression, a progression that happens if left alone (the speed varies), quality of life improves. MDs are starting to accept what DOs have looked at for years. 

Even though people die from her form of autoimmune disease, dermatomyositis, (Frampton has a similar condition and had to stop touring as his muscles deteriorated) there have been cases where the disease simply goes into remission for unknown reasons. She seems to improve when we're in southern NV for any length of time so the dry heat must be beneficial somehow. Either that or being away from job-related stress. Stress seems to cause flare-ups she's noticed.

[daleko]

Sept 10, 2021 11:51:44 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Sept 10, 2021 11:20:48 GMT -5 daleko said:

Good news. Actually nothing can repair/replace what's been done but if you can abate progression, a progression that happens if left alone (the speed varies), quality of life improves. MDs are starting to accept what DOs have looked at for years. 

Even though people die from her form of autoimmune disease, dermatomyositis, (Frampton has a similar condition and had to stop touring as his muscles deteriorated) there have been cases where the disease simply goes into remission for unknown reasons. She seems to improve when we're in southern NV for any length of time so the dry heat must be beneficial somehow. Either that or being away from job-related stress. Stress seems to cause flare-ups she's noticed.

6-8% of American suffer from the 80+ variants of autoimmune and that % is increasing. Stress doesn't help. Another % group are on the waiting list for things to happen.

We are a fragile species and when the stars align bad things happen.

[oujour76]

Sept 10, 2021 11:51:44 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Sept 10, 2021 11:20:48 GMT -5 daleko said:

Good news. Actually nothing can repair/replace what's been done but if you can abate progression, a progression that happens if left alone (the speed varies), quality of life improves. MDs are starting to accept what DOs have looked at for years. 

Even though people die from her form of autoimmune disease, dermatomyositis, (Frampton has a similar condition and had to stop touring as his muscles deteriorated) there have been cases where the disease simply goes into remission for unknown reasons. She seems to improve when we're in southern NV for any length of time so the dry heat must be beneficial somehow. Either that or being away from job-related stress. Stress seems to cause flare-ups she's noticed.

Yep, cortisol is a nasty opponent.

[Panama pfRedd]

I'd like someone in power to ask Biden, Fauci, whoever, live on TV....why is there no Covid in Africa?

Maybe all the anti horse wormers here can tell us?

www.lewrockwell.com/2021/09/paul-craig-roberts/the-powerful-case-against-covid-mrna-vaccine/

[Walter]

Still waiting for the manufacturer to send this stuff to the FDA.
Any idea why that has not happened?
Is Lew Rockwell a medical expert in any capacity whatsoever?
Asking for a friend.

[Panama pfRedd]

And along comes wallie...

[Panama pfRedd]

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