Right Wing Gun Nut Goes On a Killing Spree in Denver

[Walter]

Jan 1, 2022 15:38:25 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Jan 1, 2022 11:35:11 GMT -5 Walter said:

So you agree that not all gun owners are "good guys".

I'm sure there are gun owners out there who cheat on their wives/husbands, tailgate on the freeway at 75 MPH, yell at their neighbors about trifling matters, vote for Demonrats and do other bad things, but that does not make them criminals.

Sorry.  Not all gun owners are criminals, and not all criminals who use guns own guns.

And not everyone who sells/buys a gun in a private transaction is a bad guy, either.

Now answer the questions I asked you, instead of running from them like you always do when you know that answering those questions totally blows your weak argument.

Answering the Qs (all 'yes' BTW), is meaningless. Better Qs would be,
1. How many criminals (or soon to be criminals) purchase guns legally?
2. How many people buy guns legally specifically intending to use them criminally?

[AlaCowboy]

Dec 31, 2021 13:57:48 GMT -5 Walter said:

Dec 31, 2021 12:56:58 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Wrong again.

Good guys with guns don't turn into bad guys because they have guns.   The bad guy was there all along.

Good guys with guns REMAIN good guys.

...meanwhile, you accept the notion of selling guns to those bad guys by opposing any way to stop it, even after the bad guys are identified as bad guys.

...meanwhile, you keep telling that Big Lie. The gun owners here have voiced their opinions on limiting gun sales to those that are or legally banned from gun ownership. Meanwhile, you offer no opinion on confiscating guns from the criminals obtain them illegally. Why don't you volunteer to your local police to go and take illegally obtained guns from the criminals in your town? I'm sure the police would give you names and addresses if you offered your expertise.

[dilligaf]

Jan 1, 2022 16:36:30 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jan 1, 2022 15:38:25 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

I'm sure there are gun owners out there who cheat on their wives/husbands, tailgate on the freeway at 75 MPH, yell at their neighbors about trifling matters, vote for Demonrats and do other bad things, but that does not make them criminals.

Sorry.  Not all gun owners are criminals, and not all criminals who use guns own guns.

And not everyone who sells/buys a gun in a private transaction is a bad guy, either.

Now answer the questions I asked you, instead of running from them like you always do when you know that answering those questions totally blows your weak argument.

Answering the Qs (all 'yes' BTW), is meaningless. Better Qs would be,
1. How many criminals (or soon to be criminals) purchase guns legally?
2. How many people buy guns legally specifically intending to use them criminally?

1. Very few.

2. Very few.

You asked the same dumb question twice.   You simply changed the wording.

“The majority of firearms used in criminal activity are obtained illegally,” said David Chianese, a correspondent at Law Enforcement Today, published author and former NYPD detective.
“Stricter or additional gun laws do not reduce gun violence.”

americansecuritytoday.com/where-do-criminals-really-get-their-guns/

[Walter]

Jan 2, 2022 12:14:20 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Jan 1, 2022 16:36:30 GMT -5 Walter said:

Answering the Qs (all 'yes' BTW), is meaningless. Better Qs would be,
1. How many criminals (or soon to be criminals) purchase guns legally?
2. How many people buy guns legally specifically intending to use them criminally?

1. Very few.

2. Very few.

You asked the same dumb question twice.   You simply changed the wording.

“The majority of firearms used in criminal activity are obtained illegally,” said David Chianese, a correspondent at Law Enforcement Today, published author and former NYPD detective.
“Stricter or additional gun laws do not reduce gun violence.”

americansecuritytoday.com/where-do-criminals-really-get-their-guns/

I totally agree that the number is "very few".
And you are unwilling to do anything to reduce that number in any way.
The 'very few' kids killed playing with guns, the 'very few' people killed in mass shootings, the 'very few' suicides by gun, the 'very few' killed by domestic violence; all of it is the price society MUST pay so that you are certain some boogieman isn't coming to get you.

[dilligaf]

Jan 2, 2022 12:56:47 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jan 2, 2022 12:14:20 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

1. Very few.

2. Very few.

You asked the same dumb question twice.   You simply changed the wording.

“The majority of firearms used in criminal activity are obtained illegally,” said David Chianese, a correspondent at Law Enforcement Today, published author and former NYPD detective.
“Stricter or additional gun laws do not reduce gun violence.”

americansecuritytoday.com/where-do-criminals-really-get-their-guns/

I totally agree that the number is "very few".
And you are unwilling to do anything to reduce that number in any way.
The 'very few' kids killed playing with guns, the 'very few' people killed in mass shootings, the 'very few' suicides by gun, the 'very few' killed by domestic violence; all of it is the price society MUST pay so that you are certain some boogieman isn't coming to get you.

Nope.  That is the price that AMERICANS pay in order to preserve their right of freedom from a tyrannical government.   And owning guns is not about the boogeyman.  It is a flat out constitutional right.   Nowhere does the Constitution say that guns can have only one particular use.
Of course the main reason that the American people have the right to be armed, is so that they have the means to resist a tyrannical government.
The founders knew that an unarmed populace is an enslaved populace.   Tell the class why American slaves were not allowed to own guns.

Why aren't you demanding that alcohol sales be highly regulated, since people under the influence of alcohol are killing innocent people, including children?   ANYONE who wants to buy alcohol can do so, provided they meet the minimum age requirement of the state they are buying in.

And you are wrong again.   Suicide is a frame of mind.  The tool used to do it is not important.

Domestic violence is not a gun problem.  Again, it is the frame of mind of at least one of the people involved.  Domestic abusers don't need guns to abuse their partners.

We have laws to punish people who allow small children to get their hands on guns.

We have laws to punish people who commit domestic violence.

We have laws to punish mass shooters, and those shooters know it.   Doesn't stop them, does it?

According to you hysterical loons, Covid is going to continue to kill people.

So why doesn't Congress pass a law outlawing Covid?

Everyone knows that all we need to do to fix things is to pass more laws.