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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Nov 21, 2022 11:53:38 GMT -5
Walter, I don't play stupid games. I'm a Harvard man. This aerospaceweb.org analysis of the wreckage in the Pentagon photographs is good. I think the analysts make a compelling case that the charred wheel hub is from a Boeing 757, rather than a Global Hawk or Sky Hawk. But they also, suspiciously, parrot the Bush/Cheney/Zelikow propaganda about Muslim hijackers. No Muslim/Saudi names appear on their own AA77 passenger list. How do they know that Raytheon's successfully-tested remote-piloting technology wasn't used on 9/11 to fly a Boeing 757 into the Pentagon? Answer: They don't.
There is also the original puzzling video evidence of the Pentagon being hit by a flying object that is much smaller than a Boeing 757-- and the entire story of what exactly happened at the Pentagon on 9/11 has been obfuscated for years by the strange governmental secrecy surrounding the evidence, including the confiscation and hoarding of the security cam evidence. The subject is well described by the guys at 9/11 Research, (who happen to believe that AA77 did hit the Pentagon.) Good Lord. Either your 20 year claim of a cruise missile was right or it was wrong. Which is it? Good Lord. Learn how to read, Harry!! It can't be said any more clearly, and repeatedly. If the Pentagon wreckage--including the landing gear in the above photo-- is a 757, then AA77, obviously, crashed into the Pentagon. But, if so, it wasn't likely piloted by Hanjour. He couldn't even fly a Cessna. The CIA and U.S. military had successfully flown and maneuvered Boeings with Raytheon's GPS-guided, remote-piloting technology prior to September 2001. There were no Muslims on the flight, and the AA77 phone calls never happened, based on expert FBI testimony. Now, let's see if you and Walter can stop dodging the key questions about the WTC explosions and Mossad celebrations proving that 9/11 was a PNAC false flag op. Thus far, you have both refused to engage in an intellectually honest debate about the WTC explosions and the Urban Moving Systems celebrations. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Nov 21, 2022 11:56:53 GMT -5
Day #17 for Harry O'Chicken
Harry still refuses to explain the visible serial explosions that pulverized the Twin Towers on 9/11
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Post by oujour76 on Nov 21, 2022 12:18:19 GMT -5
Good Lord. Either your 20 year claim of a cruise missile was right or it was wrong. Which is it? Good Lord. Learn how to read, Harry!! It can't be said any more clearly, and repeatedly. If the Pentagon wreckage--including the landing gear in the above photo-- is a 757, then AA77, obviously, crashed into the Pentagon. But, if so, it wasn't likely piloted by Hanjour. He couldn't even fly a Cessna. The CIA and U.S. military had successfully flown and maneuvered Boeings with Raytheon's GPS-guided, remote-piloting technology prior to September 2001. There were no Muslims on the flight, and the AA77 phone calls never happened, based on expert FBI testimony. Now, let's see if you and Walter can stop dodging the key questions about the WTC explosions and Mossad celebrations proving that 9/11 was a PNAC false flag op. Thus far, you have both refused to engage in an intellectually honest debate about the WTC explosions and the Urban Moving Systems celebrations. You’re getting closer. Your 20 year old story was wrong, right? And BTW, looks like the “mystery” of where the passengers went has been solved. |
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Post by Walter on Nov 21, 2022 12:18:36 GMT -5
Here's an entire discussion about the landing gear. www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0290.shtmlWhen it surfaced is of no consequence. If it is, then you must please do the same for every claim you have made as well; all eight of them. Go! You wanna play stupid internet games, fine. The rule apply for all of us. Walter, I don't play stupid games. I'm a Harvard man. This aerospaceweb.org analysis of the wreckage in the Pentagon photographs is good. I think the analysts make a compelling case that the charred wheel hub is from a Boeing 757, rather than a Global Hawk or Sky Hawk. But they also, suspiciously, parrot the Bush/Cheney/Zelikow propaganda about Muslim hijackers. No Muslim/Saudi names appear on their own AA77 passenger list. How do they know that Raytheon's successfully-tested remote-piloting technology wasn't used on 9/11 to fly a Boeing 757 into the Pentagon? Answer: They don't.
There is also the original puzzling video evidence of the Pentagon being hit by a flying object that is much smaller than a Boeing 757-- and the entire story of what exactly happened at the Pentagon on 9/11 has been obfuscated for years by the strange governmental secrecy surrounding the evidence, including the confiscation and hoarding of the security cam evidence. The subject is well described by the guys at 9/11 Research, (who happen to believe that AA77 did hit the Pentagon.) Not only are the hijackers names on the passenger list, we even know their seat assignments.  |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Nov 21, 2022 13:16:14 GMT -5
Walter,
The U.S. government's alleged "passenger" list that you posted for AA77 (above) never existed in any publicly available documents until July of 2006-- almost five years after 9/11.
Nor were any of these alleged Muslim names ever listed in the earlier public reports of flight manifests.*
Look at the AA77 passenger list posted by your own "landing gear" analysis website (above.) No Muslims.**
If the PNAC U.S., Israeli, and Saudi governments collaborated on the 9/11 false flag op, as I believe, they would have invested every available resource (including mainstream media and internet websites) in promoting the "legend"/narrative of Muslim patsies as hijackers.
Blaming Muslim terrorists for the 9/11 op was CRITICAL for the success of PNAC's "New Pearl Harbor" operation. Obviously, they would spare no expense and effort in crafting the hijack legend.
It established the entire pretext for the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld "War on Terror"-- against the Taliban, Saddam Hussein, and Assad's Alawite regime in Damascus.
*Passenger Lists
Victims Lists, Passenger Manifests, and the Alleged Hijackers
According to the official story, teams of four and five Islamic hijackers took over Flights 11, 175, 77, and 93. Victims lists for the four planes published by CNN and elsewhere are free of Arab names. 1 2 3 4
CREW
Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.
David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."
Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.
Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was a flight attendant and the wife of Kenneth Lewis.
Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was a flight attendant and the husband of Jennifer Lewis.
Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.
PASSENGERS
Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.
Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.
Mary Jane "MJ" Booth
Bernard C. Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.
William Caswell
Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Eddie Dillard
Charles Droz
Barbara G. Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.
Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.
Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.
Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.
James "Joe" Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."
Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.
Darlene "Dee" Flagg
Richard Gabriel
Ian J. Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.
Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.
Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.
Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.
Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.
Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.
Yvonne Kennedy
Norma Khan
Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.
Dong Lee
Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.
Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.
Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.
Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.
Robert Penninger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.
Zandra Cooper Ploger
Robert R. Ploger
Lisa J. Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.
Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.
John Sammartino
Diane Simmons
George Simmons
Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.
Robert "Bob" Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.
Norma Lang Steuerle
Hilda E. Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.
Sandra Teague
Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.
John D. Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.
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Shuyin Yang
Yuguag Zheng
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Post by Walter on Nov 21, 2022 13:28:39 GMT -5
Walter, The U.S. government's alleged "passenger" list that you posted for AA77 (above) never existed in any publicly available documents until July of 2006-- almost five years after 9/11. Nor were any of these alleged Muslim names ever listed in the earlier public reports of flight manifests.*
Look at the AA77 passenger list posted by your own "landing gear" analysis website (above.) No Muslims.** If the PNAC U.S., Israeli, and Saudi governments collaborated on the 9/11 false flag op, as I believe, they would have invested every available resource (including mainstream media and internet websites) in promoting the "legend"/narrative of Muslim patsies as hijackers. Blaming Muslim terrorists for the 9/11 op was CRITICAL for the success of PNAC's "New Pearl Harbor" operation. Obviously, they would spare no expense and effort in crafting the hijack legend.
It established the entire pretext for the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld "War on Terror"-- against the Taliban, Saddam Hussein, and Assad's Alawite regime in Damascus. *Passenger Lists
Victims Lists, Passenger Manifests, and the Alleged Hijackers
According to the official story, teams of four and five Islamic hijackers took over Flights 11, 175, 77, and 93. Victims lists for the four planes published by CNN and elsewhere are free of Arab names. 1 2 3 4
CREW
Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.
David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."
Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.
Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was a flight attendant and the wife of Kenneth Lewis.
Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was a flight attendant and the husband of Jennifer Lewis.
Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.
PASSENGERS
Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.
Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.
Mary Jane "MJ" Booth
Bernard C. Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.
William Caswell
Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Eddie Dillard
Charles Droz
Barbara G. Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.
Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.
Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.
Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.
James "Joe" Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."
Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.
Darlene "Dee" Flagg
Richard Gabriel
Ian J. Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.
Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.
Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.
Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.
Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.
Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.
Yvonne Kennedy
Norma Khan
Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.
Dong Lee
Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.
Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.
Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.
Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.
Robert Penninger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.
Zandra Cooper Ploger
Robert R. Ploger
Lisa J. Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.
Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.
John Sammartino
Diane Simmons
George Simmons
Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.
Robert "Bob" Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.
Norma Lang Steuerle
Hilda E. Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.
Sandra Teague
Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.
John D. Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.
Vicki Yancey
Shuyin Yang
Yuguag Zheng
Sorry, but by definition, if one is a hijacker, one cannot be a victim of a hijacking. The lists noted are of VICTIMS of the hijacking. It is why the list of the dead in mass shootings never includes the shooter. There has been a long-standing rule in the news biz not to reward criminals with notoriety, and this is no exception. Note the website says, "59 passengers and five hijackers" and the webID includes "remember". I'm certain they do not mean to include a remembrance of the hijackers. PS....where are all those people you list today? Any idea? |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Nov 21, 2022 13:45:39 GMT -5
Walter,
You don't understand the concept and history of CIA and Mossad black ops. Generating legends and planting lists of alleged "hijackers" would be extremely easy.
Have you studied the history of the King David Hotel bombing, the Lavon affair, or the de-classified documents about U.S. Operation Northwoods?
Did you ever watch the de-classified history of JFK Revisted-- Oliver Stone and James DiEugenio's recent four hour review of the latest JFKA evidence?
Now, let's finally get back to the nitty gritty question that you and Harry fear the most.
Who planted the steel liquefying, concrete pulverizing explosives in Larry Silverstein's steel skyscrapers prior to the 9/11 op?
You're up to bat, LA Dodger.
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Post by Walter on Nov 21, 2022 13:51:59 GMT -5
Walter, You don't understand the concept and history of CIA and Mossad black ops. Generating legends and planting lists of alleged "hijackers" would be extremely easy.
Have you studied the history of the King David Hotel bombing, the Lavon affair, or the de-classified documents about U.S. Operation Northwoods? Did you ever watch the de-classified history of JFK Revisted-- Oliver Stone and James DiEugenio's recent four hour review of the latest JFKA evidence? Now, let's finally get back to the nitty gritty question that you and Harry fear the most. Who planted the steel liquefying, concrete pulverizing explosives in Larry Silverstein's steel skyscrapers prior to the 9/11 op? You're up to bat, LA Dodger.
We aren't done yet with AA77. Your list of passengers implies you believe that to be a list of victims of SOMETHING, right? What do you think that 'something' is? |
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Post by oujour76 on Nov 21, 2022 13:56:42 GMT -5
Walter, The U.S. government's alleged "passenger" list that you posted for AA77 (above) never existed in any publicly available documents until July of 2006-- almost five years after 9/11. Nor were any of these alleged Muslim names ever listed in the earlier public reports of flight manifests.*
Look at the AA77 passenger list posted by your own "landing gear" analysis website (above.) No Muslims.** If the PNAC U.S., Israeli, and Saudi governments collaborated on the 9/11 false flag op, as I believe, they would have invested every available resource (including mainstream media and internet websites) in promoting the "legend"/narrative of Muslim patsies as hijackers. Blaming Muslim terrorists for the 9/11 op was CRITICAL for the success of PNAC's "New Pearl Harbor" operation. Obviously, they would spare no expense and effort in crafting the hijack legend.
It established the entire pretext for the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld "War on Terror"-- against the Taliban, Saddam Hussein, and Assad's Alawite regime in Damascus. *Passenger Lists
Victims Lists, Passenger Manifests, and the Alleged Hijackers
According to the official story, teams of four and five Islamic hijackers took over Flights 11, 175, 77, and 93. Victims lists for the four planes published by CNN and elsewhere are free of Arab names. 1 2 3 4
CREW
Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.
David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."
Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.
Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was a flight attendant and the wife of Kenneth Lewis.
Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was a flight attendant and the husband of Jennifer Lewis.
Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.
PASSENGERS
Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.
Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.
Mary Jane "MJ" Booth
Bernard C. Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.
William Caswell
Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Eddie Dillard
Charles Droz
Barbara G. Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.
Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.
Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.
Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.
James "Joe" Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."
Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.
Darlene "Dee" Flagg
Richard Gabriel
Ian J. Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.
Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.
Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.
Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.
Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.
Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.
Yvonne Kennedy
Norma Khan
Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.
Dong Lee
Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.
Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.
Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.
Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.
Robert Penninger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.
Zandra Cooper Ploger
Robert R. Ploger
Lisa J. Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.
Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.
John Sammartino
Diane Simmons
George Simmons
Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.
Robert "Bob" Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.
Norma Lang Steuerle
Hilda E. Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.
Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.
Sandra Teague
Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.
John D. Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.
Vicki Yancey
Shuyin Yang
Yuguag Zheng
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Post by oujour76 on Nov 21, 2022 14:18:47 GMT -5
Sorry, but by definition, if one is a hijacker, one cannot be a victim of a hijacking. The lists noted are of VICTIMS of the hijacking. It is why the list of the dead in mass shootings never includes the shooter. There has been a long-standing rule in the news biz not to reward criminals with notoriety, and this is no exception. Note the website says, "59 passengers and five hijackers" and the webID includes "remember". I'm certain they do not mean to include a remembrance of the hijackers. PS....where are all those people you list today? Any idea? Harvard strikes out again. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Nov 21, 2022 14:30:01 GMT -5
Walter, You don't understand the concept and history of CIA and Mossad black ops. Generating legends and planting lists of alleged "hijackers" would be extremely easy.
Have you studied the history of the King David Hotel bombing, the Lavon affair, or the de-classified documents about U.S. Operation Northwoods? Did you ever watch the de-classified history of JFK Revisted-- Oliver Stone and James DiEugenio's recent four hour review of the latest JFKA evidence? Now, let's finally get back to the nitty gritty question that you and Harry fear the most. Who planted the steel liquefying, concrete pulverizing explosives in Larry Silverstein's steel skyscrapers prior to the 9/11 op? You're up to bat, LA Dodger.
We aren't done yet with AA77. Your list of passengers implies you believe that to be a list of victims of SOMETHING, right? What do you think that 'something' is? No available list of AA77 passengers-- from flight manifests, etc.-- ever included any Arab names until July of 2006, correct? They were lists of alleged passengers-- not victims. Did the CCTV security cams at Dulles show any Arabs boarding AA77? Did the FBI experts testify under oath that the alleged AA77 phone calls by Barbara Olson (about Muslims with box cutters) never happened? Do you know what CIA "legends" are? Do you know what patsies are in false flag ops? |
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Post by Walter on Nov 21, 2022 15:24:08 GMT -5
We aren't done yet with AA77. Your list of passengers implies you believe that to be a list of victims of SOMETHING, right? What do you think that 'something' is? No available list of AA77 passengers-- from flight manifests, etc.-- ever included any Arab names until July of 2006, correct? Not correct. They are listed in the 9/11 Commission Report, publicly available since 2004They were lists of alleged passengers-- not victims. Not in the 9/11 Report they weren't. They were listed as hijackers.Did the CCTV security cams at Dulles show any Arabs boarding AA77? No idea. Do you have a link to the video? Did the FBI experts testify under oath that the alleged AA77 phone calls by Barbara Olson (about Muslims with box cutters) never happened? No idea. Post evidence.Do you know what CIA "legends" are? No.Do you know what patsies are in false flag ops? Irrelevant. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Nov 21, 2022 15:52:13 GMT -5
Re-posting this analysis from the Consensus 911 Panel for Walter. He, obviously, didn't read it the first time around. Point PC-2: The Reported Phone Calls from Barbara Olsonwww.consensus911.org/point-pc-2/
Introduction Americans were first told that terrorists had hijacked an airliner when CNN gave a report about US Solicitor General Theodore “Ted” Olson, who said that his wife, well-known TV commentator Barbara Olson, had called him twice from American Airlines (AA) Flight 77, stating that terrorists had taken over this flight. This would have been roughly a half hour before this plane, according to the official story, crashed into the Pentagon. The Official Account Ted Olson reported, according to CNN, that his wife had “called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77,” saying that “all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers,” who had “knives and cardboard cutters.” [1] Although Olson had originally told CNN that his wife had used a cell phone, the FBI’s September 11th summary of its interview of him said: “[Mr. Olson] doesn’t know if the calls were made from [Barbara Olson’s] cell phone or the telephone on the plane.” [2] But during a September 14 interview on Hannity & Colmes, Olson suggested that his wife had reached him at the Department of Justice by using the “airplane phone.” [3] Ted Olson continued to go back and forth between the two alternatives. [4] In any case, the first call from his wife, Olson told the FBI, lasted “about one minute.” [5] The second call, he told Larry King, lasted “two or three or four minutes.” [6] The 9/11 Commission Report stated (in 2004) that the FBI and the Department of Justice believed that there had actually been four calls from Barbara Olson. [7] The Best Evidence The story about Barbara Olson’s report of the hijacking of AA 77 was foundational for the official account of 9/11. This foundational role is illustrated by the fact that, although it has been widely held that the hijackers had box cutters, this idea was provided only by Ted Olson’s report of his wife’s phone calls. In any case, in spite of the foundational role of the Olson story, there were three serious problems with its credibility: One problem is that, although Ted Olson went back and forth on whether his wife had used an onboard phone or a cell phone, she evidently could not have used either: With regard to the possibility that Barbara Olson had used a cell phone, the FBI ruled this out in 2004, saying: “All of the calls from Flight 77 were made via the onboard airphone system.” [8] There is also evidence that Barbara Olson could not have made the calls attributed to her in The 9/11 Commission Report: This is the evidence, cited in the Burnett section of Point PC-4: “Cell Phone Calls from the Planes: The Second Official Account”, that the cell phone technology available in 2001 would not have allowed cell phone calls from this airliner. [9] Further evidence that Barbara Olson could not have used an onboard phone to call from AA 77 is provided by a page in the Boeing 757 Aircraft Maintenance Manual (757 AMM), dated January 28, 2001. The first sentence of this page states: “The passenger telephone system was deactivated by ECO FO878.” (ECO F1463 and F1532 were later orders to remove the phones.) This page indicates, in other words, that by January 28, 2001, the passenger phone system for the AA 757 fleet had been deactivated. [10] The impossibility of Olson’s having used an onboard phone is further supported by a pilot and a flight attendant: After being a fighter pilot, and having attended the US Navy Fighter Weapons School, Captain Ralph Kolstad served as an airline pilot for 27 years, during 13 of which he flew Boeing 757s and 767s for American Airlines. He wrote: “[T]he ‘air phones,’ as they were called, were … deactivated in early or mid 2001. They had been deactivated for quite some time prior to Sep 2001.” [11] Flight attendant Ginger Gainer, after reporting that the Boeing 757s prepared for international flights had stickers on the seatback phones “indicating that they were inoperative,” added: “I asked several current and former Flight Attendants for American … who flew domestic … and they all said that they recalled the phones as having been disabled at the time, or gone.” [12] There is one more reason to be skeptical about the claim that Barbara and Ted Olson talked that morning by telephone: Neither the telephone company records, nor the Department of Justice phone call records, nor Barbara Olson’s cell phone call records have ever been made public, in spite of the fact that there has been much discussion of the authenticity of the reported phone calls from her. [13] A second more serious problem is that the Olson story was contradicted in the FBI’s 2006 report to the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui. In its report about phone calls from AA 77, the FBI stated that there was one call from Barbara Olson (not two), and that this call was “unconnected,” so that it lasted “0 seconds.” [14] This report thereby contradicted Ted Olson’s report that his wife had made two calls to him, one that lasted “about one minute” and another that lasted “two or three or four minutes.” [15] A third problem is that Barbara Olson’s story as told by her husband is simply implausible. According to this story, 60 passengers – including pilot Charles “Chic” Burlingame, a former Navy pilot who was a weightlifter and a boxer [16] – were held off in the back of the plane by three or four hijackers (one or two would have been in the pilot’s cabin). And yet these alleged hijackers were, as a 9/11 Commission staff document mentioned, “not physically imposing, as the majority of them were between 5’5″ and 5’7″ in height and slender in build.” [17] If these small men were armed only with knives and box cutters, the pilots and the male passengers could have easily overpowered them.
Conclusion
Although Ted Olson reported two calls from his wife and the 9/11 Commission attributed four calls to her, the best evidence shows three problems in the official account. These problems, taken in reverse order, lead to this threefold conclusion:
Barbara Olson’s account of what occurred on AA 77, as told by her husband, is implausible.
The FBI’s report on phone calls from AA 77 indicates that she did not reach her husband from that flight.
Various accounts indicate that she could not have called her husband from AA 77. [18]
<< Previous Point, Next Point >> References for Point PC-2 [1] Tim O’Brien, “Wife of Solicitor General Alerted Him of Hijacking from Plane,” CNN, 12 September 2001, 2:06 AM. Although this story, as now found in the CNN archives, indicates that the story was posted at 2:06 AM on September 12, reports of the story started appearing on blogs at 3:51 PM on the 11th (see this and this.) [2] “9/11/2001: FD-302, Interview with Theodore Olsen [sic] (re: phone call from hijacked flight),” 9/11 Commission, FBI Source Documents, Chronological, September 11, 2001, Intelwire, 14 March 2008. [3] Hannity & Colmes, Fox News, 14 September 2001. [4] Ted Olson again gave the cell phone version on CNN, Larry King Live, 14 September 2001. He suggested the seatback phone version on three additional occasions: Hannity & Colmes, Fox News, September 14, 2001; Theodore B. Olson, “Barbara K. Olson Memorial Lecture,” 16 November 2001, Federalist Society, 15th Annual National Lawyers Convention; and Toby Harnden, “She Asked Me How to Stop the Plane,” Daily Telegraph, 5 March 2002. [5] Interview with Theodore Olsen [sic], 9/11 Commission, FBI Source Documents, Chronological, September 11, 2001, Intelwire, 14 March 2008. [6] “America’s New War: Recovering from Tragedy,” Larry King Live, CNN, 14 September 2001. [7] The 9/11 Commission Report, 455, n. 57. [8] “T7 B12 Flight 93 Calls- General Fdr- 5-20-04 DOJ Briefing on Cell and Phone Calls From AA 77 408,” Federal Bureau of Investigation, May 20, 2004. [9] The first three of the four calls attributed to Barbara Olson in The 9/11 Commission Report (p. 455, note 57) were, like all of the reported calls by Tom Burnett to his wife, far above an elevation at which cell phone calls might have been possible (National Transportation Safety Board, “Flight Path Study, American Airlines Flight 77,” February 19, 2002). And the fourth call (reported by the 9/11 Commission as lasting 4 minutes and 20 seconds), was dialed at 9:30:56, when AA 77 was flying erratically up and down between 6,000 and 7,000 feet(see NTSB Flight Path Study, AA 77, as above). [10] This document is available at Pilots for 9/11 Truth. [11] E-mail letters to Rob Balsamo and David Griffin, December 22, 2009. [12] Letter from Ginger Gainer to David Griffin, February 16, 2011. The practice of using inoperative stickers for deactivated airphones was confirmed to Elizabeth Woodworth in a telephone call to a former AA mechanic, January 7, 2013. The time it would have taken to deactivate the phones on the ECO FO878 order, which involved pulling the circuit breakers and collaring them, was estimated by this mechanic to have taken 20-30 minutes. [13] See note 15, below. [14] United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui, Prosecution Trial Exhibit P200054. This FBI report on phone calls from AA 77 can be viewed more easily in an article by Jim Hoffman, “Detailed Account of Phone Calls from September 11th Flights.” [15] Whereas Ted Olson said that his wife called him twice, the Department of Justice and its FBI said in 2006 that the records show that she had attempted only one call to him, which was not connected. But the DOJ’s records also indicate that there were three calls that were connected but were from an unknown caller to an unknown recipient, and the DOJ and the FBI declared, prior to the evidence it presented under oath at the 2006 Moussaoui Trial, that they believed all of these to have been from Barbara Olson to her husband: See the previous note and also a DOJ memorandum for the record, “Briefing on cell and phone calls from Flight 77,” May 20, 2004. With regard to the question of whether this multi-call claim should be taken seriously, it is strange that the investigators, who went to great lengths to identify the phone call recipients for Flight 77, should have failed to retrieve from AT&T Wireless the recipients of four long Operator-dialed (OSPS) calls from this flight. The information regarding Flight 77 calls reported by the Department of Justice was derived from “a study of all phone records from the flight, an examination of the cell phone records of each of the passengers aboard 9/11 [sic] who owned cell phones, and interviews with those who received calls from the flight, as well as with the family members of other passengers and crew. This work was conducted in support of the U.S. Justice Department’s case against Zacarias Moussaoui.” This footnote has been taken from Elizabeth Woodworth, “9/11: What the Telephone Records Reveal about Calls from AA Flight 77: Did Barbara Olson Attempt Any Calls at All?” September 16, 2011. [16] Shoestring 9/11, “The Flight 77 Murder Mystery: Who Really Killed Charles Burlingame?” February 2, 2008. [17] “Staff No. Statement 16: Outline of the 9/11 Plot,” 9/11 Commission, 16 June 2004. [18] The evidence shows only that Barbara Olson did not call Ted Olson’s office from aboard AA 77. That conclusion leaves open the possibility that Ted Olson’s office may have received calls that people in this office believed to be from Barbara Olson while she was in the air on AA 77. This distinction is important because of evidence that Lori Keyton, who was serving as a secretary in Ted Olson’s office that morning, reported receiving two calls for him that morning (see Interview with Lori Lynn Keyton, Secretary, DOJ, September 11, 2001), and that these calls were forwarded to Ted Olson’s special assistant, Helen Voss (see Interview with Helen Voss, Special Assistant to the Solicitor General, September 11, 2001). As to how these calls were really made, the publicly available evidence seems insufficient to answer that question. DrSchadenfreude Now THIS here...is a member **** DrSchadenfreude Avatar Posts: 14,725Male Member is Online Oct 29, 2022 at 11:38am |
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Post by Walter on Nov 21, 2022 16:15:53 GMT -5
Re-posting this analysis from the Consensus 911 Panel for Walter. He, obviously, didn't read it the first time around. Point PC-2: The Reported Phone Calls from Barbara Olsonwww.consensus911.org/point-pc-2/
Introduction Americans were first told that terrorists had hijacked an airliner when CNN gave a report about US Solicitor General Theodore “Ted” Olson, who said that his wife, well-known TV commentator Barbara Olson, had called him twice from American Airlines (AA) Flight 77, stating that terrorists had taken over this flight. This would have been roughly a half hour before this plane, according to the official story, crashed into the Pentagon. The Official Account Ted Olson reported, according to CNN, that his wife had “called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77,” saying that “all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers,” who had “knives and cardboard cutters.” [1] Although Olson had originally told CNN that his wife had used a cell phone, the FBI’s September 11th summary of its interview of him said: “[Mr. Olson] doesn’t know if the calls were made from [Barbara Olson’s] cell phone or the telephone on the plane.” [2] But during a September 14 interview on Hannity & Colmes, Olson suggested that his wife had reached him at the Department of Justice by using the “airplane phone.” [3] Ted Olson continued to go back and forth between the two alternatives. [4] In any case, the first call from his wife, Olson told the FBI, lasted “about one minute.” [5] The second call, he told Larry King, lasted “two or three or four minutes.” [6] The 9/11 Commission Report stated (in 2004) that the FBI and the Department of Justice believed that there had actually been four calls from Barbara Olson. [7] The Best Evidence The story about Barbara Olson’s report of the hijacking of AA 77 was foundational for the official account of 9/11. This foundational role is illustrated by the fact that, although it has been widely held that the hijackers had box cutters, this idea was provided only by Ted Olson’s report of his wife’s phone calls. In any case, in spite of the foundational role of the Olson story, there were three serious problems with its credibility: One problem is that, although Ted Olson went back and forth on whether his wife had used an onboard phone or a cell phone, she evidently could not have used either: With regard to the possibility that Barbara Olson had used a cell phone, the FBI ruled this out in 2004, saying: “All of the calls from Flight 77 were made via the onboard airphone system.” [8] There is also evidence that Barbara Olson could not have made the calls attributed to her in The 9/11 Commission Report: This is the evidence, cited in the Burnett section of Point PC-4: “Cell Phone Calls from the Planes: The Second Official Account”, that the cell phone technology available in 2001 would not have allowed cell phone calls from this airliner. [9] Further evidence that Barbara Olson could not have used an onboard phone to call from AA 77 is provided by a page in the Boeing 757 Aircraft Maintenance Manual (757 AMM), dated January 28, 2001. The first sentence of this page states: “The passenger telephone system was deactivated by ECO FO878.” (ECO F1463 and F1532 were later orders to remove the phones.) This page indicates, in other words, that by January 28, 2001, the passenger phone system for the AA 757 fleet had been deactivated. [10] The impossibility of Olson’s having used an onboard phone is further supported by a pilot and a flight attendant: After being a fighter pilot, and having attended the US Navy Fighter Weapons School, Captain Ralph Kolstad served as an airline pilot for 27 years, during 13 of which he flew Boeing 757s and 767s for American Airlines. He wrote: “[T]he ‘air phones,’ as they were called, were … deactivated in early or mid 2001. They had been deactivated for quite some time prior to Sep 2001.” [11] Flight attendant Ginger Gainer, after reporting that the Boeing 757s prepared for international flights had stickers on the seatback phones “indicating that they were inoperative,” added: “I asked several current and former Flight Attendants for American … who flew domestic … and they all said that they recalled the phones as having been disabled at the time, or gone.” [12] There is one more reason to be skeptical about the claim that Barbara and Ted Olson talked that morning by telephone: Neither the telephone company records, nor the Department of Justice phone call records, nor Barbara Olson’s cell phone call records have ever been made public, in spite of the fact that there has been much discussion of the authenticity of the reported phone calls from her. [13] A second more serious problem is that the Olson story was contradicted in the FBI’s 2006 report to the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui. In its report about phone calls from AA 77, the FBI stated that there was one call from Barbara Olson (not two), and that this call was “unconnected,” so that it lasted “0 seconds.” [14] This report thereby contradicted Ted Olson’s report that his wife had made two calls to him, one that lasted “about one minute” and another that lasted “two or three or four minutes.” [15] A third problem is that Barbara Olson’s story as told by her husband is simply implausible. According to this story, 60 passengers – including pilot Charles “Chic” Burlingame, a former Navy pilot who was a weightlifter and a boxer [16] – were held off in the back of the plane by three or four hijackers (one or two would have been in the pilot’s cabin). And yet these alleged hijackers were, as a 9/11 Commission staff document mentioned, “not physically imposing, as the majority of them were between 5’5″ and 5’7″ in height and slender in build.” [17] If these small men were armed only with knives and box cutters, the pilots and the male passengers could have easily overpowered them.
Conclusion
Although Ted Olson reported two calls from his wife and the 9/11 Commission attributed four calls to her, the best evidence shows three problems in the official account. These problems, taken in reverse order, lead to this threefold conclusion:
Barbara Olson’s account of what occurred on AA 77, as told by her husband, is implausible.
The FBI’s report on phone calls from AA 77 indicates that she did not reach her husband from that flight.
Various accounts indicate that she could not have called her husband from AA 77. [18]
<< Previous Point, Next Point >> References for Point PC-2 [1] Tim O’Brien, “Wife of Solicitor General Alerted Him of Hijacking from Plane,” CNN, 12 September 2001, 2:06 AM. Although this story, as now found in the CNN archives, indicates that the story was posted at 2:06 AM on September 12, reports of the story started appearing on blogs at 3:51 PM on the 11th (see this and this.) [2] “9/11/2001: FD-302, Interview with Theodore Olsen [sic] (re: phone call from hijacked flight),” 9/11 Commission, FBI Source Documents, Chronological, September 11, 2001, Intelwire, 14 March 2008. [3] Hannity & Colmes, Fox News, 14 September 2001. [4] Ted Olson again gave the cell phone version on CNN, Larry King Live, 14 September 2001. He suggested the seatback phone version on three additional occasions: Hannity & Colmes, Fox News, September 14, 2001; Theodore B. Olson, “Barbara K. Olson Memorial Lecture,” 16 November 2001, Federalist Society, 15th Annual National Lawyers Convention; and Toby Harnden, “She Asked Me How to Stop the Plane,” Daily Telegraph, 5 March 2002. [5] Interview with Theodore Olsen [sic], 9/11 Commission, FBI Source Documents, Chronological, September 11, 2001, Intelwire, 14 March 2008. [6] “America’s New War: Recovering from Tragedy,” Larry King Live, CNN, 14 September 2001. [7] The 9/11 Commission Report, 455, n. 57. [8] “T7 B12 Flight 93 Calls- General Fdr- 5-20-04 DOJ Briefing on Cell and Phone Calls From AA 77 408,” Federal Bureau of Investigation, May 20, 2004. [9] The first three of the four calls attributed to Barbara Olson in The 9/11 Commission Report (p. 455, note 57) were, like all of the reported calls by Tom Burnett to his wife, far above an elevation at which cell phone calls might have been possible (National Transportation Safety Board, “Flight Path Study, American Airlines Flight 77,” February 19, 2002). And the fourth call (reported by the 9/11 Commission as lasting 4 minutes and 20 seconds), was dialed at 9:30:56, when AA 77 was flying erratically up and down between 6,000 and 7,000 feet(see NTSB Flight Path Study, AA 77, as above). [10] This document is available at Pilots for 9/11 Truth. [11] E-mail letters to Rob Balsamo and David Griffin, December 22, 2009. [12] Letter from Ginger Gainer to David Griffin, February 16, 2011. The practice of using inoperative stickers for deactivated airphones was confirmed to Elizabeth Woodworth in a telephone call to a former AA mechanic, January 7, 2013. The time it would have taken to deactivate the phones on the ECO FO878 order, which involved pulling the circuit breakers and collaring them, was estimated by this mechanic to have taken 20-30 minutes. [13] See note 15, below. [14] United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui, Prosecution Trial Exhibit P200054. This FBI report on phone calls from AA 77 can be viewed more easily in an article by Jim Hoffman, “Detailed Account of Phone Calls from September 11th Flights.” [15] Whereas Ted Olson said that his wife called him twice, the Department of Justice and its FBI said in 2006 that the records show that she had attempted only one call to him, which was not connected. But the DOJ’s records also indicate that there were three calls that were connected but were from an unknown caller to an unknown recipient, and the DOJ and the FBI declared, prior to the evidence it presented under oath at the 2006 Moussaoui Trial, that they believed all of these to have been from Barbara Olson to her husband: See the previous note and also a DOJ memorandum for the record, “Briefing on cell and phone calls from Flight 77,” May 20, 2004. With regard to the question of whether this multi-call claim should be taken seriously, it is strange that the investigators, who went to great lengths to identify the phone call recipients for Flight 77, should have failed to retrieve from AT&T Wireless the recipients of four long Operator-dialed (OSPS) calls from this flight. The information regarding Flight 77 calls reported by the Department of Justice was derived from “a study of all phone records from the flight, an examination of the cell phone records of each of the passengers aboard 9/11 [sic] who owned cell phones, and interviews with those who received calls from the flight, as well as with the family members of other passengers and crew. This work was conducted in support of the U.S. Justice Department’s case against Zacarias Moussaoui.” This footnote has been taken from Elizabeth Woodworth, “9/11: What the Telephone Records Reveal about Calls from AA Flight 77: Did Barbara Olson Attempt Any Calls at All?” September 16, 2011. [16] Shoestring 9/11, “The Flight 77 Murder Mystery: Who Really Killed Charles Burlingame?” February 2, 2008. [17] “Staff No. Statement 16: Outline of the 9/11 Plot,” 9/11 Commission, 16 June 2004. [18] The evidence shows only that Barbara Olson did not call Ted Olson’s office from aboard AA 77. That conclusion leaves open the possibility that Ted Olson’s office may have received calls that people in this office believed to be from Barbara Olson while she was in the air on AA 77. This distinction is important because of evidence that Lori Keyton, who was serving as a secretary in Ted Olson’s office that morning, reported receiving two calls for him that morning (see Interview with Lori Lynn Keyton, Secretary, DOJ, September 11, 2001), and that these calls were forwarded to Ted Olson’s special assistant, Helen Voss (see Interview with Helen Voss, Special Assistant to the Solicitor General, September 11, 2001). As to how these calls were really made, the publicly available evidence seems insufficient to answer that question. DrSchadenfreude Now THIS here...is a member **** DrSchadenfreude Avatar Posts: 14,725Male Member is Online Oct 29, 2022 at 11:38am For the sake of argument, let us assume the above is correct (with which BTW, I disagree). Now tell us about the phone call from Renee May from the same plane. |
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Post by DrSchadenfreude on Nov 21, 2022 16:34:02 GMT -5
More references about PNAC's patsy "hijacker" legends for the 9/11 false flag op...
The 9/11 Hijackers: Fraud in Official Video Exhibits Uncovered by Expert Panel
NEW YORK, Sept. 10, 2012 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- A Panel of 22 researchers into the history of 9/11 has uncovered evidence of fraud in the photographic images of Muslim hijackers prior to boarding the planes on 9/11.
Court exhibits state that leader Mohamed Atta took a commuter flight from Portland, Maine, to connect to AA Flight 11 out of Boston, which hit the North Tower.
The dubious images heighten the mystery of why Atta left Boston, where Flight 11 was to be hijacked, and risked the failure of his entire mission by driving to Portland September 10, staying overnight, and booking a tight connection back to Boston early September 11.
Atta's bags, central to the story, failed to make the connection and were found in Boston's Logan airport with incriminating evidence about the hijacking operation.
The Panel's in-depth review shows the Portland story to be peppered with inconsistencies and revisions, placing the entire hijack theory in question.
Similarly, at Washington's Dulles International Airport, five hijackers allegedly passed through security before flying AA Flight 77, carrying CNN correspondent Barbara Olson, into the Pentagon.
Yet no images were released from the 300+ security cameras at Dulles that morning, nor were Arabic men reported in FBI interviews of airport staff.
The 9/11 Consensus Panel's lawyers, journalists, airline pilots and six PhD's use a medical model employing three rounds of review and feedback to refine their evidence.
In its quest to provide credible resources to the media, the public, and future investigators, the Panel has produced 28 Consensus Points of "best evidence" regarding the official claims of 9/11 -- the trigger event for the Middle East wars of the last decade.
Its investigations cover:
explosives at the Twin Towers and Building WTC-7
the inadequate flying skills of the alleged Pentagon pilot
the missing debris from "Let's Roll" Flight 93
the massive annual (October) military drills coinciding on 9/11, and
the allegedly absent political and military commanders.
The Panel's educational work has been translated into French and Spanish, with Italian, German, and Dutch in preparation.
The Panel moderators recommend the PBS special, 9/11 Explosive Evidence: Experts Speak Out, in which 40 whistle-blowing experts present evidence of controlled demolition at the World trade Center.
Source: The 9/11 Consensus Panel
SOURCE The 9/11 Consensus Panel
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