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Post by Walter on May 16, 2023 23:13:42 GMT -5
Can you name another terrorist threat that has a larger presence in the country? That’s not an answer. ...at least not one you like...
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Post by nu5ncbigred on May 17, 2023 4:25:20 GMT -5
...at least not one you like... “Almost 10,000 black people were murdered in 2020 (9,941, to be exact) compared to 7,043 white people. How many of those 10,000 were killed by “extremists”? Well, according to the left-wing Anti-Defamation League, a group with everything to gain by inflating those numbers, the total was 25. Reuters reports, “White supremacists commit the highest number of domestic extremist-related murders in most years, but in 2022 the percentage was unusually high: 21 of the 25 murders were linked to white supremacists.” So, the total is 21. That’s 21 out of 9,941 or .0021 percent. Is that the “biggest threat” black people face? They have higher odds of getting hit by a train while on an airplane flying over the Atlantic than to be a victim of “white supremacy extremism.” (Naturally, Reuters framed it in a way to scare and mislead people, headlining the story, “White supremacists behind over 80% of extremism-related U.S. murders in 2022.” If you don’t have the facts or numbers, highlight the percentages…) Why don’t Democrats tell the truth – that the drug dealers Democrats refuse to prosecute are exponentially more likely to murder innocent black people than any other configuration of human being? Because, unlike that garbage like from Biden and his commencement address at Howard, telling the truth won’t get you applause from any leftists, let alone an educated black audience. And yes, they did applaud that absurd line (watch it here for yourself). If you want to talk about indoctrination, look no further than what Democrats have done to the education system in predominately black cities, and especially HBCUs. How can anyone believe there are bands of white supremacists – a term, by the way, that Democrats have abused more than Democrat Jeffrey Epstein abused young girls while Democrats sucked up to him, to mean anything and anyone they don’t like – roaming the country looking for minorities to kill?”
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Post by oujour76 on May 17, 2023 6:51:59 GMT -5
...at least not one you like... You answered a question with a question, i.e. not an answer.
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Post by Walter on May 17, 2023 9:13:49 GMT -5
...at least not one you like... You answered a question with a question, i.e. not an answer. I can put it in the form of a statement if it makes you happier. in the USA there isn't a domestic terrorist group larger than white supremacists. If you can name one, do it.
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Post by oujour76 on May 17, 2023 10:21:25 GMT -5
You answered a question with a question, i.e. not an answer. I can put it in the form of a statement if it makes you happier. in the USA there isn't a domestic terrorist group larger than white supremacists. If you can name one, do it. Can easily make the case for Antifa, if I wanted to do so.
What you and Biden are doing is broad brushing some decentralized whack jobs together for political purposes. Interesting when that is done with Antifa you are first in line to proclaim it isn't a group, it's an idea, there is no central hierarchy, etc.
There is virtually zero support for "white supremacist" groups in this country, and as I said, they are de-centralized and not linked together. Biden was doing a clumsy job of pandering. I don't accept this alarmist bullshit that Biden and you are peddling.
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Post by Walter on May 17, 2023 10:48:09 GMT -5
I can put it in the form of a statement if it makes you happier. in the USA there isn't a domestic terrorist group larger than white supremacists. If you can name one, do it. Can easily make the case for Antifa, if I wanted to do so.
What you and Biden are doing is broad brushing some decentralized whack jobs together for political purposes. Interesting when that is done with Antifa you are first in line to proclaim it isn't a group, it's an idea, there is no central hierarchy, etc.
There is virtually zero support for "white supremacist" groups in this country, and as I said, they are de-centralized and not linked together. Biden was doing a clumsy job of pandering. I don't accept this alarmist bullshit that Biden and you are peddling.
First, list all the dead people that Antifa is responsible for killing. I'll wait.. Then we can compare that to the dead people at the hands of white nationalist/supremacists. Second, zero support? The New York Times published a series this past weekend detailing Tucker Carlson’s descent into white nationalism. The Times amassed impressive detail to support its findings, revealing how Fox’s use of “minute by minute” ratings analysis displayed the popularity of white-nationalist themes, driving Carlson to ramp them up. Its description of Carlson as promoting white nationalism is supported by Fox employees both former (“He is going to double down on the white nationalism because the minute-by-minutes show that the audience eats it up”) and current (“Fox executives wanted to focus on ‘the grievance, the stuff that would get people boiled up’ … ‘They’re coming for you, the Blacks are coming for you, the Mexicans are coming for you’”). nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/05/tucker-carlson-white-nationalism-fox-news-vdare-peter-brimelow.html
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Post by Panama pfRedd on May 17, 2023 10:50:44 GMT -5
I can put it in the form of a statement if it makes you happier. in the USA there isn't a domestic terrorist group larger than white supremacists. If you can name one, do it. Can easily make the case for Antifa, if I wanted to do so.
What you and Biden are doing is broad brushing some decentralized whack jobs together for political purposes. Interesting when that is done with Antifa you are first in line to proclaim it isn't a group, it's an idea, there is no central hierarchy, etc.
There is virtually zero support for "white supremacist" groups in this country, and as I said, they are de-centralized and not linked together. Biden was doing a clumsy job of pandering. I don't accept this alarmist bullshit that Biden and you are peddling.
You're far nicer and more patient with his brand of horse shit than most could ever be. My respect.
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Post by nu5ncbigred on May 17, 2023 10:51:17 GMT -5
I can put it in the form of a statement if it makes you happier. in the USA there isn't a domestic terrorist group larger than white supremacists. If you can name one, do it. Can easily make the case for Antifa, if I wanted to do so.
What you and Biden are doing is broad brushing some decentralized whack jobs together for political purposes. Interesting when that is done with Antifa you are first in line to proclaim it isn't a group, it's an idea, there is no central hierarchy, etc.
There is virtually zero support for "white supremacist" groups in this country, and as I said, they are de-centralized and not linked together. Biden was doing a clumsy job of pandering. I don't accept this alarmist bullshit that Biden and you are peddling.
The combined Antifa / BLM gang of domestic terrorists did a lot of damage and stole a lot of stuff and injured and killed lots of people recently enough.
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Post by Walter on May 17, 2023 10:53:50 GMT -5
Can easily make the case for Antifa, if I wanted to do so.
What you and Biden are doing is broad brushing some decentralized whack jobs together for political purposes. Interesting when that is done with Antifa you are first in line to proclaim it isn't a group, it's an idea, there is no central hierarchy, etc.
There is virtually zero support for "white supremacist" groups in this country, and as I said, they are de-centralized and not linked together. Biden was doing a clumsy job of pandering. I don't accept this alarmist bullshit that Biden and you are peddling.
The combined Antifa / BLM gang of domestic terrorists did a lot of damage and stole a lot of stuff and injured and killed lots of people recently enough. Killed lots of people? List the people killed.
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Post by Walter on May 17, 2023 10:55:09 GMT -5
Can easily make the case for Antifa, if I wanted to do so.
What you and Biden are doing is broad brushing some decentralized whack jobs together for political purposes. Interesting when that is done with Antifa you are first in line to proclaim it isn't a group, it's an idea, there is no central hierarchy, etc.
There is virtually zero support for "white supremacist" groups in this country, and as I said, they are de-centralized and not linked together. Biden was doing a clumsy job of pandering. I don't accept this alarmist bullshit that Biden and you are peddling.
You're far nicer and more patient with his brand of horse shit than most could ever be. My respect. He's just smarter than you are.
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Post by oujour76 on May 17, 2023 11:25:41 GMT -5
Can easily make the case for Antifa, if I wanted to do so.
What you and Biden are doing is broad brushing some decentralized whack jobs together for political purposes. Interesting when that is done with Antifa you are first in line to proclaim it isn't a group, it's an idea, there is no central hierarchy, etc.
There is virtually zero support for "white supremacist" groups in this country, and as I said, they are de-centralized and not linked together. Biden was doing a clumsy job of pandering. I don't accept this alarmist bullshit that Biden and you are peddling.
First, list all the dead people that Antifa is responsible for killing. I'll wait.. Then we can compare that to the dead people at the hands of white nationalist/supremacists. Second, zero support? The New York Times published a series this past weekend detailing Tucker Carlson’s descent into white nationalism. The Times amassed impressive detail to support its findings, revealing how Fox’s use of “minute by minute” ratings analysis displayed the popularity of white-nationalist themes, driving Carlson to ramp them up. Its description of Carlson as promoting white nationalism is supported by Fox employees both former (“He is going to double down on the white nationalism because the minute-by-minutes show that the audience eats it up”) and current (“Fox executives wanted to focus on ‘the grievance, the stuff that would get people boiled up’ … ‘They’re coming for you, the Blacks are coming for you, the Mexicans are coming for you’”). nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/05/tucker-carlson-white-nationalism-fox-news-vdare-peter-brimelow.html Dead people, huh? If that's the metric will need to change this to say drug dealers are the #1 existential threat. Far more die from drugs and violent interactions than at the hands of "white nationalists/supremacists."
Sticking with your metric...your argument is for a causal relationship between white nationalism and dead people, right?
How many Blacks and Mexicans were killed after Carlson and Fox "boiled up" the white nationalists? The NYT's impressive detail should allow for an easy connecting of the dots. Let's see the numbers. And if you can't be exact, let's have your best guess.
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Post by Walter on May 17, 2023 11:48:47 GMT -5
First, list all the dead people that Antifa is responsible for killing. I'll wait.. Then we can compare that to the dead people at the hands of white nationalist/supremacists. Second, zero support? The New York Times published a series this past weekend detailing Tucker Carlson’s descent into white nationalism. The Times amassed impressive detail to support its findings, revealing how Fox’s use of “minute by minute” ratings analysis displayed the popularity of white-nationalist themes, driving Carlson to ramp them up. Its description of Carlson as promoting white nationalism is supported by Fox employees both former (“He is going to double down on the white nationalism because the minute-by-minutes show that the audience eats it up”) and current (“Fox executives wanted to focus on ‘the grievance, the stuff that would get people boiled up’ … ‘They’re coming for you, the Blacks are coming for you, the Mexicans are coming for you’”). nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/05/tucker-carlson-white-nationalism-fox-news-vdare-peter-brimelow.html Dead people, huh? If that's the metric will need to change this to say drug dealers are the #1 existential threat. Far more die from drugs and violent interactions than at the hands of "white nationalists/supremacists."
Sticking with your metric...your argument is for a causal relationship between white nationalism and dead people, right?
How many Blacks and Mexicans were killed after Carlson and Fox "boiled up" the white nationalists? The NYT's impressive detail should allow for an easy connecting of the dots. Let's see the numbers. And if you can't be exact, let's have your best guess.
1. Stay focused. We are discussing domestic terrorism, not criminal activity. Drug dealers kill a lot of people, but they aren't trying to make political points by doing it. and I must have missed the stat about the people killed by Antifa. Oh....wait...there aren't any. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifaMeanwhile... Over the past decade, the Anti-Defamation League has counted about 450 U.S. murders committed by political extremists. Of these 450 killings, right-wing extremists committed about 75 percent. Islamic extremists were responsible for about 20 percent, and left-wing extremists (black nationalists) were responsible for 4 percent. www.nytimes.com/2022/05/17/briefing/right-wing-mass-shootings.htmlwww.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2021#exploring-the-numbersNearly half of the murders were specifically tied to white supremacists: 2.
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Post by oujour76 on May 17, 2023 12:22:06 GMT -5
Dead people, huh? If that's the metric will need to change this to say drug dealers are the #1 existential threat. Far more die from drugs and violent interactions than at the hands of "white nationalists/supremacists."
Sticking with your metric...your argument is for a causal relationship between white nationalism and dead people, right?
How many Blacks and Mexicans were killed after Carlson and Fox "boiled up" the white nationalists? The NYT's impressive detail should allow for an easy connecting of the dots. Let's see the numbers. And if you can't be exact, let's have your best guess.
1. Stay focused. We are discussing domestic terrorism, not criminal activity. Drug dealers kill a lot of people, but they aren't trying to make political points by doing it. and I must have missed the stat about the people killed by Antifa. Oh....wait...there aren't any. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifaMeanwhile... Over the past decade, the Anti-Defamation League has counted about 450 U.S. murders committed by political extremists. Of these 450 killings, right-wing extremists committed about 75 percent. Islamic extremists were responsible for about 20 percent, and left-wing extremists (black nationalists) were responsible for 4 percent. www.nytimes.com/2022/05/17/briefing/right-wing-mass-shootings.htmlwww.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2021#exploring-the-numbersNearly half of the murders were specifically tied to white supremacists: 2. Your own source contradicts your arguments of Blacks and Hispanics being hunted, as well as the political motivation. As with any numbers it pays to break them down a little. In this case, your source ID's 244 murders by white supremacists over a 10-year period. For God's sake, almost 1/3 are done by prison gangs. Subtract them out and you are left with about 170 murders over ten years (17 per year)...that's an existential threat to the United States? Come on. Break it down a more and your own source does just that with ideological vs. non-ideological killings: "One of the most striking features of white supremacist murders is the large proportion of non-ideological killings to ideological killings. Over the past 10 years, only 86 of the 244 white supremacist killings (35%) were ideological murders. The remainder were group-related but not ideological attacks, were related to traditional criminal activities, or were murders for which no clear motive could be determined." So...35% of the 244 total (and this includes the prison gangs) are ideological murders? That's 85 murders over 10 years or an average of 8.5 per year. That's the existential threat to the United States? Again, come on. Your source also backs up what I said earlier about things being de-centralized: "The white supremacist movement is not monolithic. It comprises a number of factions or segments of various sizes, differentiated by factors such as religions, subcultures, tactics and goals, regional influences and ideological particulars. At any given moment, one part of the movement, such as the alt right, might be ascendant, while another part, like the religious sect Christian Identity, might be in decline. Some people may belong to more than one faction at once; only a few are mutually exclusive. But there are also many white supremacists who don’t gravitate to any faction but are more “generically” white supremacist. Nor are most adherents members of formally organized groups." So...you have a bunch of de-centralized groups that individually have killed 85 people for ideological reasons in the past 10 years and THAT is the existential threat to the United States?
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Post by Panama pfRedd on May 17, 2023 12:28:24 GMT -5
Speaking common sense to an idiot/liar is a complete waste of time, but it is entertaining watching him try to writhe and wriggle out of it every time.
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Post by oujour76 on May 17, 2023 12:35:41 GMT -5
Your own source contradicts your arguments of Blacks and Hispanics being hunted, as well as the political motivation. As with any numbers it pays to break them down a little. In this case, your source ID's 244 murders by white supremacists over a 10-year period. For God's sake, almost 1/3 are done by prison gangs. Subtract that out and you are left with about 170 murders over ten years (17 per year)...that's an existential threat to the United States? Come on.
Break it down more as your source does with ideological vs. non-ideological killings: "One of the most striking features of white supremacist murders is the large proportion of non-ideological killings to ideological killings. Over the past 10 years, only 86 of the 244 white supremacist killings (35%) were ideological murders. The remainder were group-related but not ideological attacks, were related to traditional criminal activities, or were murders for which no clear motive could be determined."
So...35% of the 244 total (and this includes the prison gangs) are ideological murders? That's 85 murders over 10 years or an average of 8.5 per year. That's the existential threat to the United States? Again, come on.
Your source also states: "The white supremacist movement is not monolithic. It comprises a number of factions or segments of various sizes, differentiated by factors such as religions, subcultures, tactics and goals, regional influences and ideological particulars. At any given moment, one part of the movement, such as the alt right, might be ascendant, while another part, like the religious sect Christian Identity, might be in decline. Some people may belong to more than one faction at once; only a few are mutually exclusive. But there are also many white supremacists who don’t gravitate to any faction but are more “generically” white supremacist. Nor are most adherents members of formally organized groups."
So...you have a bunch of de-centralized groups that individually have killed 85 people for ideological reasons in the past 10 years and THAT is the existential threat to the United States? Bullshit.
What Biden did was pandering, i.e. a dog whistle. But, Dylan Roof as the outlier and not the rule won't play with the base. Not when there is hysteria to gin up.
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