Nikki McCain - RINO extraordinaire

[Walter]

Feb 7, 2024 12:08:13 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

No one wants to talk with a lying troll.

Not the castrated ones, anyway...

[kaz]

Feb 7, 2024 11:55:03 GMT -5 Walter said:

Feb 7, 2024 11:46:47 GMT -5 kaz said:

Yeah, right, I never answer questions. Meanwhile, still waiting for you to tell us how the new Senate bill secures the border. You disappeared from that thread pretty fast...

I did? I posted parts of it, gleaned from news reports, for discussion here.
Then you vanished.

I didn't vanish. I told you why the parts you mentioned don't help border security, and told you to try again. Still waiting...

[Panama pfRedd]

No one wants to talk to a lying troll, destroyer of forum threads.

[Walter]

Feb 7, 2024 12:52:55 GMT -5 kaz said:

Feb 7, 2024 11:55:03 GMT -5 Walter said:

I did? I posted parts of it, gleaned from news reports, for discussion here.
Then you vanished.

I didn't vanish. I told you why the parts you mentioned don't help border security, and told you to try again. Still waiting...

You didn't say why it wouldn't help other than "because I say so".
Face it. It helps border security, just not as much as you'd like.
And as I noted, never mind that 'as much as you'd like' would require violation of an international treaty of which the United States is a signatory.

So, nope...It's time for YOU to try again.
I'll wait.

[Walter]

Feb 7, 2024 12:54:40 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

No one wants to talk to a lying troll, destroyer of forum threads.

Fred, when confronted with an opinion that differs from his:

[Panama pfRedd]

troll

[kaz]

Feb 7, 2024 12:57:26 GMT -5 Walter said:

Feb 7, 2024 12:52:55 GMT -5 kaz said:

I didn't vanish. I told you why the parts you mentioned don't help border security, and told you to try again. Still waiting...

You didn't say why it wouldn't help other than "because I say so".
Face it. It helps border security, just not as much as you'd like.
And as I noted, never mind that 'as much as you'd like' would require violation of an international treaty of which the United States is a signatory.

So, nope...It's time for YOU to try again.
I'll wait.

I never said "because I say so". And why are you talking about international treaties when the subject is the failed "border security" bill from the Senate?? You've lost your mind...

[Walter]

Feb 7, 2024 14:26:29 GMT -5 kaz said:

Feb 7, 2024 12:57:26 GMT -5 Walter said:

You didn't say why it wouldn't help other than "because I say so".
Face it. It helps border security, just not as much as you'd like.
And as I noted, never mind that 'as much as you'd like' would require violation of an international treaty of which the United States is a signatory.

So, nope...It's time for YOU to try again.
I'll wait.

I never said "because I say so". And why are you talking about international treaties when the subject is the failed "border security" bill from the Senate?? You've lost your mind...

Thanks for telling us how little you understand about the problem.
Here is the law, as dictated by our having signed an international treaty regarding asylum.

8 US 1158

Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

Once aliens are physically present on US land, they have the right to request asylum, whether or not the Texas Nat'l Guard or the border patrol apprehends them.
Those aliens, standing along the American side of the river between the US and Mexico, and kept off dry land by a dumbass governor who erected razor wire along the shore, are all entitled BY LAW to request asylum, and the dumbass governor is violating the law by not allowing it.

THAT is the problem.

The Senate bill does a workaround on the treaty requirement by creating a mechanism analogous to the public health emergency mechanism that Trump used to stop the flow and that expired at the end of the pandemic.
The GOP is now officially opposed to that mechanism being created that would allow shutting down the border.

That's where we are now.

[trnyerheadncough]

Feb 7, 2024 14:49:59 GMT -5 Walter said:

Feb 7, 2024 14:26:29 GMT -5 kaz said:

I never said "because I say so". And why are you talking about international treaties when the subject is the failed "border security" bill from the Senate?? You've lost your mind...

Thanks for telling us how little you understand about the problem.
Here is the law, as dictated by our having signed an international treaty regarding asylum.

8 US 1158

Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

Once aliens are physically present on US land, they have the right to request asylum, whether or not the Texas Nat'l Guard or the border patrol apprehends them.
Those aliens, standing along the American side of the river between the US and Mexico, and kept off dry land by a dumbass governor who erected razor wire along the shore, are all entitled BY LAW to request asylum, and the dumbass governor is violating the law by not allowing it.

THAT is the problem.

The Senate bill does a workaround on the treaty requirement by creating a mechanism analogous to the public health emergency mechanism that Trump used to stop the flow and that expired at the end of the pandemic.
The GOP is now officially opposed to that mechanism being created that would allow shutting down the border.

That's where we are now.

“f-word your due process.” — Kaz.

👆

You didn’t need to read more than this to recognize that Kaz didn’t know, understand, or both.

[kaz]

Feb 7, 2024 14:49:59 GMT -5 Walter said:

Feb 7, 2024 14:26:29 GMT -5 kaz said:

I never said "because I say so". And why are you talking about international treaties when the subject is the failed "border security" bill from the Senate?? You've lost your mind...

Thanks for telling us how little you understand about the problem.
Here is the law, as dictated by our having signed an international treaty regarding asylum.

8 US 1158

Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

Once aliens are physically present on US land, they have the right to request asylum, whether or not the Texas Nat'l Guard or the border patrol apprehends them.
Those aliens, standing along the American side of the river between the US and Mexico, and kept off dry land by a dumbass governor who erected razor wire along the shore, are all entitled BY LAW to request asylum, and the dumbass governor is violating the law by not allowing it.

THAT is the problem.

The Senate bill does a workaround on the treaty requirement by creating a mechanism analogous to the public health emergency mechanism that Trump used to stop the flow and that expired at the end of the pandemic.
The GOP is now officially opposed to that mechanism being created that would allow shutting down the border.

That's where we are now.

Why did your dumbass president sue Texas to remove the buoys they placed in the middle of the river? Would have kept many illegals from reaching land, wouldn't it?

[kaz]

Feb 7, 2024 14:57:53 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Feb 7, 2024 14:49:59 GMT -5 Walter said:

Thanks for telling us how little you understand about the problem.
Here is the law, as dictated by our having signed an international treaty regarding asylum.

8 US 1158

Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

Once aliens are physically present on US land, they have the right to request asylum, whether or not the Texas Nat'l Guard or the border patrol apprehends them.
Those aliens, standing along the American side of the river between the US and Mexico, and kept off dry land by a dumbass governor who erected razor wire along the shore, are all entitled BY LAW to request asylum, and the dumbass governor is violating the law by not allowing it.

THAT is the problem.

The Senate bill does a workaround on the treaty requirement by creating a mechanism analogous to the public health emergency mechanism that Trump used to stop the flow and that expired at the end of the pandemic.
The GOP is now officially opposed to that mechanism being created that would allow shutting down the border.

That's where we are now.

“f-word your due process.” — Kaz.

👆

You didn’t need to read more than this to recognize that Kaz didn’t know, understand, or both.

"f-word you, messer." - Kaz

There's another quote for you.

[trnyerheadncough]

Feb 7, 2024 15:21:04 GMT -5 kaz said:

Feb 7, 2024 14:57:53 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

“f-word your due process.” — Kaz.

👆

You didn’t need to read more than this to recognize that Kaz didn’t know, understand, or both.

"f-word you, messer." - Kaz

There's another quote for you.

Yawn. As usual, you get schooled, then try to be the internet badass. LOL

Scurry away, clown.

[Walter]

Feb 7, 2024 15:19:19 GMT -5 kaz said:

Feb 7, 2024 14:49:59 GMT -5 Walter said:

Thanks for telling us how little you understand about the problem.
Here is the law, as dictated by our having signed an international treaty regarding asylum.

8 US 1158

Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

Once aliens are physically present on US land, they have the right to request asylum, whether or not the Texas Nat'l Guard or the border patrol apprehends them.
Those aliens, standing along the American side of the river between the US and Mexico, and kept off dry land by a dumbass governor who erected razor wire along the shore, are all entitled BY LAW to request asylum, and the dumbass governor is violating the law by not allowing it.

THAT is the problem.

The Senate bill does a workaround on the treaty requirement by creating a mechanism analogous to the public health emergency mechanism that Trump used to stop the flow and that expired at the end of the pandemic.
The GOP is now officially opposed to that mechanism being created that would allow shutting down the border.

That's where we are now.

Why did your dumbass president sue Texas to remove the buoys they placed in the middle of the river? Would have kept many illegals from reaching land, wouldn't it?

Because the buoys were illegal.
I know the rule of law isn't something you're big on, but that's a YOU problem, not an US problem.

[kaz]

Feb 7, 2024 15:34:08 GMT -5 Walter said:

Feb 7, 2024 15:19:19 GMT -5 kaz said:

Why did your dumbass president sue Texas to remove the buoys they placed in the middle of the river? Would have kept many illegals from reaching land, wouldn't it?

Because the buoys were illegal.
I know the rule of law isn't something you're big on, but that's a YOU problem, not an US problem.

Illegal according to who? Another international treaty?

[trnyerheadncough]

Feb 7, 2024 16:05:31 GMT -5 kaz said:

Feb 7, 2024 15:34:08 GMT -5 Walter said:

Because the buoys were illegal.
I know the rule of law isn't something you're big on, but that's a YOU problem, not an US problem.

Illegal according to who? Another international treaty?

The Rivers and Harbors Appropriations Act of 1899.