Alec Baldwin Misses Prison Term

[dilligaf]

Thanks to a sloppy prosecution.  Did the prosecution deliberately mess up?

One thing is for sure ---- if you kill a person in a criminal manner in New Mexico, you MIGHT get away with it.

Good news is, Baldwin can still lose his ass in civil lawsuits.
No matter who you are, any bullet you fire has a potential lawsuit attached.   There are plenty of gun hating, anti-2A lawyers out there who will take the case in order to enrich themselves off of other people's tragedies.
Our local TV stations are flooded with ads for ambulance chasing lawyers.
My advice ---------- DO NOT SHOOT unless you are 100% convinced it is necessary to protect LIFE.  Do not pull the trigger of any gun you have not personally inspected.  NEVER depend on someone else to tell you it is "safe."  It is only safe when YOU have inspected it.
Baldwin did not, and HE is responsible for the killing.

www.cbsnews.com/news/alec-baldwin-charges-dismissed-involuntary-manslaughter-rust-shooting/

[Walter]

Jul 12, 2024 20:10:44 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Thanks to a sloppy prosecution.  Did the prosecution deliberately mess up?

One thing is for sure ---- if you kill a person in a criminal manner in New Mexico, you MIGHT get away with it.

Good news is, Baldwin can still lose his ass in civil lawsuits.
No matter who you are, any bullet you fire has a potential lawsuit attached.   There are plenty of gun hating, anti-2A lawyers out there who will take the case in order to enrich themselves off of other people's tragedies.
Our local TV stations are flooded with ads for ambulance chasing lawyers.
My advice ---------- DO NOT SHOOT unless you are 100% convinced it is necessary to protect LIFE.  Do not pull the trigger of any gun you have not personally inspected.  NEVER depend on someone else to tell you it is "safe."  It is only safe when YOU have inspected it.
Baldwin did not, and HE is responsible for the killing.

www.cbsnews.com/news/alec-baldwin-charges-dismissed-involuntary-manslaughter-rust-shooting/

Ordinarily I'd agree, but we aren't talking about a person who might know anything about a gun, or be able to tell the difference between a dummy round and a live round, which in the movies are designed to look precisely like a live round. So you are asking Baldwin to pull out all the bullets and inspect each one to find out if there is anything behind the bullet. In hindsight, you are right, he should have, but that means you have to educate someone who might never have seen a real bullet in their lives to inspect a bullet specifically designed to look identical to a live round. How would he know?
I saw a video by a seasoned movie 'armorer', who makes his own dummy rounds. He basically said you often cannot tell visually, and so puts bbs in behind the bullet as an audio doublecheck. He could shake it and know that if he didn't hear the bbs sloshing around, there might be a problem and so he wouldn't use it and would check it. THAT is apparently how difficult it can be.

The kid who was the armorer on this movie was 24 yo and who knows if she had any such precautions in place that Baldwin might have relied on. If she did, then I can see some negligence on Baldwin's part, but if not, I think you are asking a lot from someone who may not know much about guns.

[dilligaf]

Jul 14, 2024 11:16:49 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jul 12, 2024 20:10:44 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Thanks to a sloppy prosecution.  Did the prosecution deliberately mess up?

One thing is for sure ---- if you kill a person in a criminal manner in New Mexico, you MIGHT get away with it.

Good news is, Baldwin can still lose his ass in civil lawsuits.
No matter who you are, any bullet you fire has a potential lawsuit attached.   There are plenty of gun hating, anti-2A lawyers out there who will take the case in order to enrich themselves off of other people's tragedies.
Our local TV stations are flooded with ads for ambulance chasing lawyers.
My advice ---------- DO NOT SHOOT unless you are 100% convinced it is necessary to protect LIFE.  Do not pull the trigger of any gun you have not personally inspected.  NEVER depend on someone else to tell you it is "safe."  It is only safe when YOU have inspected it.
Baldwin did not, and HE is responsible for the killing.

www.cbsnews.com/news/alec-baldwin-charges-dismissed-involuntary-manslaughter-rust-shooting/

Ordinarily I'd agree, but we aren't talking about a person who might know anything about a gun, or be able to tell the difference between a dummy round and a live round, which in the movies are designed to look precisely like a live round. So you are asking Baldwin to pull out all the bullets and inspect each one to find out if there is anything behind the bullet. In hindsight, you are right, he should have, but that means you have to educate someone who might never have seen a real bullet in their lives to inspect a bullet specifically designed to look identical to a live round. How would he know?
I saw a video by a seasoned movie 'armorer', who makes his own dummy rounds. He basically said you often cannot tell visually, and so puts bbs in behind the bullet as an audio doublecheck. He could shake it and know that if he didn't hear the bbs sloshing around, there might be a problem and so he wouldn't use it and would check it. THAT is apparently how difficult it can be.

The kid who was the armorer on this movie was 24 yo and who knows if she had any such precautions in place that Baldwin might have relied on. If she did, then I can see some negligence on Baldwin's part, but if not, I think you are asking a lot from someone who may not know much about guns.

Wrong!! 
A 5-in-1 blank looks nothing like a live round.  There is nothing to them that even LOOKS like a real bullet.
Dummy rounds and 5-in-1's are NOT the same thing.  I make dummy rounds to keep in my guns so they CAN'T be accidentally loaded with live ammo.
The true dummy rounds you see on the gunbelts or being reloaded into guns or magazines by the actors are made like real cartridges, with real bullets and cases, no powder and no or "dead" primers.
5-in-1's are used only when you want the gun to make noise, flash, and smoke.

blankammo.com/products/5-in-1-brass-blank-ammunition-with-smoke

Where are you getting the idea that Baldwin knows nothing about guns?

EVERYBODY knows you never point any gun at anything you don't want to destroy.
Baldwin got away with at least negligent homicide, and the case was dismissed with prejudice..

[Walter]

Jul 14, 2024 12:29:58 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Jul 14, 2024 11:16:49 GMT -5 Walter said:

Ordinarily I'd agree, but we aren't talking about a person who might know anything about a gun, or be able to tell the difference between a dummy round and a live round, which in the movies are designed to look precisely like a live round. So you are asking Baldwin to pull out all the bullets and inspect each one to find out if there is anything behind the bullet. In hindsight, you are right, he should have, but that means you have to educate someone who might never have seen a real bullet in their lives to inspect a bullet specifically designed to look identical to a live round. How would he know?
I saw a video by a seasoned movie 'armorer', who makes his own dummy rounds. He basically said you often cannot tell visually, and so puts bbs in behind the bullet as an audio doublecheck. He could shake it and know that if he didn't hear the bbs sloshing around, there might be a problem and so he wouldn't use it and would check it. THAT is apparently how difficult it can be.

The kid who was the armorer on this movie was 24 yo and who knows if she had any such precautions in place that Baldwin might have relied on. If she did, then I can see some negligence on Baldwin's part, but if not, I think you are asking a lot from someone who may not know much about guns.

Wrong!! 
A 5-in-1 blank looks nothing like a live round.  There is nothing to them that even LOOKS like a real bullet.
Dummy rounds and 5-in-1's are NOT the same thing.  I make dummy rounds to keep in my guns so they CAN'T be accidentally loaded with live ammo.
The true dummy rounds you see on the gunbelts or being reloaded into guns or magazines by the actors are made like real cartridges, with real bullets and cases, no powder and no or "dead" primers.
5-in-1's are used only when you want the gun to make noise, flash, and smoke.

blankammo.com/products/5-in-1-brass-blank-ammunition-with-smoke

Where are you getting the idea that Baldwin knows nothing about guns?

EVERYBODY knows you never point any gun at anything you don't want to destroy.
Baldwin got away with at least negligent homicide, and the case was dismissed with prejudice..

The revolver Baldwin was using had a mixture of dummy rounds and one live round. We are not talking about blanks. That wasn't the issue. You can't point a revolver at a camera and have your audience see blanks and not the nose of a bullet. Hence, dummies. In order for Baldwin to know if the round was live or not, he would have had to take it apart and inspect it, which is why that other armorer puts bbs in behind the bullet. Absent that clue, it is a lot to ask on a movie set that the star take the time to disassemble each round to see what's behind the bullet.

[dilligaf]

Jul 14, 2024 13:04:28 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jul 14, 2024 12:29:58 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Wrong!! 
A 5-in-1 blank looks nothing like a live round.  There is nothing to them that even LOOKS like a real bullet.
Dummy rounds and 5-in-1's are NOT the same thing.  I make dummy rounds to keep in my guns so they CAN'T be accidentally loaded with live ammo.
The true dummy rounds you see on the gunbelts or being reloaded into guns or magazines by the actors are made like real cartridges, with real bullets and cases, no powder and no or "dead" primers.
5-in-1's are used only when you want the gun to make noise, flash, and smoke.

blankammo.com/products/5-in-1-brass-blank-ammunition-with-smoke

Where are you getting the idea that Baldwin knows nothing about guns?

EVERYBODY knows you never point any gun at anything you don't want to destroy.
Baldwin got away with at least negligent homicide, and the case was dismissed with prejudice..

The revolver Baldwin was using had a mixture of dummy rounds and one live round. We are not talking about blanks. That wasn't the issue. You can't point a revolver at a camera and have your audience see blanks and not the nose of a bullet. Hence, dummies. In order for Baldwin to know if the round was live or not, he would have had to take it apart and inspect it, which is why that other armorer puts bbs in behind the bullet. Absent that clue, it is a lot to ask on a movie set that the star take the time to disassemble each round to see what's behind the bullet.

Thanks for your opinion, garnered from all your experience in handling firearms.

>>>>>  In opening statements, prosecutors said Baldwin did not follow appropriate safety rules on set, even before the fatal shooting.
“Rust” movie armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed listens to the verdict being read in First District Court, in Santa Fe, New Mexico, on Wednesday, March 6, 2024.

When he fired a gun, he did not do a safety check, Johnson alleged. He also used the gun to point at things, cocked the hammer when he was not supposed to and put his finger on the trigger when he was not supposed to, according to Johnson. Forensic testing of the firearm showed that the gun did not malfunction, she alleged.

“After the shooting, Baldwin began to claim he did not pull the trigger,” she said. “The evidence will show, ladies and gentlemen, that’s not possible.”

“He pointed the gun at another human being, cocked the hammer and pulled that trigger, in reckless disregard for Ms. Hutchins’ safety,” she said. <<<<<

www.cnn.com/2024/07/10/us/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-trial/index.html

Yes, you can get away with simply pointing a gun at another person ---- I did it numerous times ---- but you CAN'T get away with it when you pull the trigger, like Baldwin did.  My job REQUIRED me to point my gun directly at another person from time to time, but I also insured that my finger was OFF the trigger, and was actually touching the side of the gun's frame.

Experts DESTROYED the evidence gun trying to make it malfunction like Baldwin claimed.  The gun never once malfunctioned.

Baldwin deliberately cocked the gun, pointed it at someone and pulled the trigger, and HE is guilty of negligent homicide.

[Walter]

Jul 14, 2024 13:29:04 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Jul 14, 2024 13:04:28 GMT -5 Walter said:

The revolver Baldwin was using had a mixture of dummy rounds and one live round. We are not talking about blanks. That wasn't the issue. You can't point a revolver at a camera and have your audience see blanks and not the nose of a bullet. Hence, dummies. In order for Baldwin to know if the round was live or not, he would have had to take it apart and inspect it, which is why that other armorer puts bbs in behind the bullet. Absent that clue, it is a lot to ask on a movie set that the star take the time to disassemble each round to see what's behind the bullet.

Thanks for your opinion, garnered from all your experience in handling firearms.

>>>>>  In opening statements, prosecutors said Baldwin did not follow appropriate safety rules on set, even before the fatal shooting.
“Rust” movie armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed listens to the verdict being read in First District Court, in Santa Fe, New Mexico, on Wednesday, March 6, 2024.

When he fired a gun, he did not do a safety check, Johnson alleged. He also used the gun to point at things, cocked the hammer when he was not supposed to and put his finger on the trigger when he was not supposed to, according to Johnson. Forensic testing of the firearm showed that the gun did not malfunction, she alleged.

“After the shooting, Baldwin began to claim he did not pull the trigger,” she said. “The evidence will show, ladies and gentlemen, that’s not possible.”

“He pointed the gun at another human being, cocked the hammer and pulled that trigger, in reckless disregard for Ms. Hutchins’ safety,” she said. <<<<<

www.cnn.com/2024/07/10/us/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-trial/index.html

Yes, you can get away with simply pointing a gun at another person ---- I did it numerous times ---- but you CAN'T get away with it when you pull the trigger, like Baldwin did.  My job REQUIRED me to point my gun directly at another person from time to time, but I also insured that my finger was OFF the trigger, and was actually touching the side of the gun's frame.

Experts DESTROYED the evidence gun trying to make it malfunction like Baldwin claimed.  The gun never once malfunctioned.

Baldwin deliberately cocked the gun, pointed it at someone and pulled the trigger, and HE is guilty of negligent homicide.

Obviously, I have no idea what actually happened, and I do not have a clue what "appropriate safety rules" are or are not of a movie set, and I really don't care whether or not Baldwin was convicted or acquitted, only that justice be the result.
But that said, the notion that an actor should have to disassemble all the ammunition on set to determine whether or not any of the rounds are live or not doesn't sound like part of the actor's job.
That's all I'm sayin'.

And frankly, if I was the professional in charge of the ammunition and gun safety, I don't want the actors F-ing around with my props, outside my chain of custody. "You leave that to me." is what I'd tell them.

[dilligaf]

Jul 14, 2024 14:36:44 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jul 14, 2024 13:29:04 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Thanks for your opinion, garnered from all your experience in handling firearms.

>>>>>  In opening statements, prosecutors said Baldwin did not follow appropriate safety rules on set, even before the fatal shooting.
“Rust” movie armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed listens to the verdict being read in First District Court, in Santa Fe, New Mexico, on Wednesday, March 6, 2024.

When he fired a gun, he did not do a safety check, Johnson alleged. He also used the gun to point at things, cocked the hammer when he was not supposed to and put his finger on the trigger when he was not supposed to, according to Johnson. Forensic testing of the firearm showed that the gun did not malfunction, she alleged.

“After the shooting, Baldwin began to claim he did not pull the trigger,” she said. “The evidence will show, ladies and gentlemen, that’s not possible.”

“He pointed the gun at another human being, cocked the hammer and pulled that trigger, in reckless disregard for Ms. Hutchins’ safety,” she said. <<<<<

www.cnn.com/2024/07/10/us/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-trial/index.html

Yes, you can get away with simply pointing a gun at another person ---- I did it numerous times ---- but you CAN'T get away with it when you pull the trigger, like Baldwin did.  My job REQUIRED me to point my gun directly at another person from time to time, but I also insured that my finger was OFF the trigger, and was actually touching the side of the gun's frame.

Experts DESTROYED the evidence gun trying to make it malfunction like Baldwin claimed.  The gun never once malfunctioned.

Baldwin deliberately cocked the gun, pointed it at someone and pulled the trigger, and HE is guilty of negligent homicide.

Obviously, I have no idea what actually happened, and I do not have a clue what "appropriate safety rules" are or are not of a movie set, and I really don't care whether or not Baldwin was convicted or acquitted, only that justice be the result.
But that said, the notion that an actor should have to disassemble all the ammunition on set to determine whether or not any of the rounds are live or not doesn't sound like part of the actor's job.
That's all I'm sayin'.

He didn't need to take apart any ammunition.  Your idea is absurd.

The rule ANYWHERE for safe gun handling is to NEVER point any firearm at another person you don't want to harm.   Always assume the gun is LOADED.  NEVER touch  the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
I can point a gun slightly to your side, but when it is filmed, the camera angle will make it LOOK like I am pointing directly at you.

This is why Demonrats need to learn to handle guns, even if you don't like them.
Then you would know why "accidental shootings" by anyone 7 years old or older are NOT accidents.

I keep two cowboy style gunbelts and holsters hanging on my wall with REAL single action revolvers in the holsters.  The ammo loops on the gunbelts are full of LIVE rounds.  The guns themselves contain dummy rounds that I assembled.
All I have to do is put the hammer on half cock. open the loading gate, and turn the cylinder to see it is loaded with dummy rounds.
How?  The bases of my dummy cartridges are painted RED.
Even then, I never point those guns at people.

Alec Baldwin is guilty of negligent homicide. Justice was NOT served, but only because of shitty prosecution.
You can't spin it any other way.

Time for you to say "You're right.  I am wrong."

[Panama pfRedd]

Jul 14, 2024 14:51:12 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Jul 14, 2024 14:36:44 GMT -5 Walter said:

Obviously, I have no idea what actually happened, and I do not have a clue what "appropriate safety rules" are or are not of a movie set, and I really don't care whether or not Baldwin was convicted or acquitted, only that justice be the result.
But that said, the notion that an actor should have to disassemble all the ammunition on set to determine whether or not any of the rounds are live or not doesn't sound like part of the actor's job.
That's all I'm sayin'.

He didn't need to take apart any ammunition.  Your idea is absurd.

The rule ANYWHERE for safe gun handling is to NEVER point any firearm at another person you don't want to harm.   Always assume the gun is LOADED.  NEVER touch  the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
I can point a gun slightly to your side, but when it is filmed, the camera angle will make it LOOK like I am pointing directly at you.

This is why Demonrats need to learn to handle guns, even if you don't like them.
Then you would know why "accidental shootings" by anyone 7 years old or older are NOT accidents.

I keep two cowboy style gunbelts and holsters hanging on my wall with REAL single action revolvers in the holsters.  The ammo loops on the gunbelts are full of LIVE rounds.  The guns themselves contain dummy rounds that I assembled.
All I have to do is put the hammer on half cock. open the loading gate, and turn the cylinder to see it is loaded with dummy rounds.
How?  The bases of my dummy cartridges are painted RED.
Even then, I never point those guns at people.

Alec Baldwin is guilty of negligent homicide. Justice was NOT served, but only because of shitty prosecution.
You can't spin it any other way.

Time for you to say "You're right.  I am wrong."

Don'tcha just love it when a no nothing know nothing who has absolutely ZERO experience with guns comes in here and starts telling US about guns? It's his personality. He can't ever not be the father figure. It's revolting, and it's disgusting.

[dilligaf]

Jul 14, 2024 15:10:22 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Jul 14, 2024 14:51:12 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

He didn't need to take apart any ammunition.  Your idea is absurd.

The rule ANYWHERE for safe gun handling is to NEVER point any firearm at another person you don't want to harm.   Always assume the gun is LOADED.  NEVER touch  the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
I can point a gun slightly to your side, but when it is filmed, the camera angle will make it LOOK like I am pointing directly at you.

This is why Demonrats need to learn to handle guns, even if you don't like them.
Then you would know why "accidental shootings" by anyone 7 years old or older are NOT accidents.

I keep two cowboy style gunbelts and holsters hanging on my wall with REAL single action revolvers in the holsters.  The ammo loops on the gunbelts are full of LIVE rounds.  The guns themselves contain dummy rounds that I assembled.
All I have to do is put the hammer on half cock. open the loading gate, and turn the cylinder to see it is loaded with dummy rounds.
How?  The bases of my dummy cartridges are painted RED.
Even then, I never point those guns at people.

Alec Baldwin is guilty of negligent homicide. Justice was NOT served, but only because of shitty prosecution.
You can't spin it any other way.

Time for you to say "You're right.  I am wrong."

Don'tcha just love it when a no nothing know nothing who has absolutely ZERO experience with guns comes in here and starts telling US about guns? It's his personality. He can't ever not be the father figure. It's revolting, and it's disgusting.

Wally is one of those who would shoot himself in the foot and blame his shoe for not stopping the bullet.
"Quick draw" shooters can be identified by their limps.

[Walter]

Jul 14, 2024 14:51:12 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Jul 14, 2024 14:36:44 GMT -5 Walter said:

Obviously, I have no idea what actually happened, and I do not have a clue what "appropriate safety rules" are or are not of a movie set, and I really don't care whether or not Baldwin was convicted or acquitted, only that justice be the result.
But that said, the notion that an actor should have to disassemble all the ammunition on set to determine whether or not any of the rounds are live or not doesn't sound like part of the actor's job.
That's all I'm sayin'.

He didn't need to take apart any ammunition.  Your idea is absurd.

The rule ANYWHERE for safe gun handling is to NEVER point any firearm at another person you don't want to harm.   Always assume the gun is LOADED.  NEVER touch  the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
I can point a gun slightly to your side, but when it is filmed, the camera angle will make it LOOK like I am pointing directly at you.

This is why Demonrats need to learn to handle guns, even if you don't like them.
Then you would know why "accidental shootings" by anyone 7 years old or older are NOT accidents.

I keep two cowboy style gunbelts and holsters hanging on my wall with REAL single action revolvers in the holsters.  The ammo loops on the gunbelts are full of LIVE rounds.  The guns themselves contain dummy rounds that I assembled.
All I have to do is put the hammer on half cock. open the loading gate, and turn the cylinder to see it is loaded with dummy rounds.
How?  The bases of my dummy cartridges are painted RED.
Even then, I never point those guns at people.

Alec Baldwin is guilty of negligent homicide. Justice was NOT served, but only because of shitty prosecution.
You can't spin it any other way.

Time for you to say "You're right.  I am wrong."

There are many instances in film-making where a closeup of a gun is pointed directly at the lens of a camera. Sometimes that is what the director wants. So now what, Mr Professional Filmmaker?

You do not know any more than I do about safety protocol on set, so stop pretending you do.

If Baldwin did something wrong he should have been convicted, but don't come dancing in here like you have a clue what happened or even what the rules on a set are. You don't, so you don't get to just announce that you are right.

[dilligaf]

Jul 14, 2024 17:00:27 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jul 14, 2024 14:51:12 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

He didn't need to take apart any ammunition.  Your idea is absurd.

The rule ANYWHERE for safe gun handling is to NEVER point any firearm at another person you don't want to harm.   Always assume the gun is LOADED.  NEVER touch  the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
I can point a gun slightly to your side, but when it is filmed, the camera angle will make it LOOK like I am pointing directly at you.

This is why Demonrats need to learn to handle guns, even if you don't like them.
Then you would know why "accidental shootings" by anyone 7 years old or older are NOT accidents.

I keep two cowboy style gunbelts and holsters hanging on my wall with REAL single action revolvers in the holsters.  The ammo loops on the gunbelts are full of LIVE rounds.  The guns themselves contain dummy rounds that I assembled.
All I have to do is put the hammer on half cock. open the loading gate, and turn the cylinder to see it is loaded with dummy rounds.
How?  The bases of my dummy cartridges are painted RED.
Even then, I never point those guns at people.

Alec Baldwin is guilty of negligent homicide. Justice was NOT served, but only because of shitty prosecution.
You can't spin it any other way.

Time for you to say "You're right.  I am wrong."

There are many instances in film-making where a closeup of a gun is pointed directly at the lens of a camera. Sometimes that is what the director wants. So now what, Mr Professional Filmmaker?

You do not know any more than I do about safety protocol on set, so stop pretending you do.

If Baldwin did something wrong he should have been convicted, but don't come dancing in here like you have a clue what happened or even what the rules on a set are. You don't, so you don't get to just announce that you are right.

I know that live rounds are NEVER pointed at a camera. 

Gun safety protocol on a movie set is no different than anywhere else.

I told you what was proper.

Baldwin had NO BUSINESS pulling the trigger on that gun at that particular time.   Anyone who depends on someone else to tell him a gun is "safe" is a fool who should never be allowed to even sniff a gun!

I announced I am right, because I AM.

[Walter]

Jul 14, 2024 19:50:09 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Jul 14, 2024 17:00:27 GMT -5 Walter said:

There are many instances in film-making where a closeup of a gun is pointed directly at the lens of a camera. Sometimes that is what the director wants. So now what, Mr Professional Filmmaker?

You do not know any more than I do about safety protocol on set, so stop pretending you do.

If Baldwin did something wrong he should have been convicted, but don't come dancing in here like you have a clue what happened or even what the rules on a set are. You don't, so you don't get to just announce that you are right.

I know that live rounds are NEVER pointed at a camera. 

Gun safety protocol on a movie set is no different than anywhere else.

I told you what was proper.

Baldwin had NO BUSINESS pulling the trigger on that gun at that particular time.   Anyone who depends on someone else to tell him a gun is "safe" is a fool who should never be allowed to even sniff a gun!

I announced I am right, because I AM.

I have seen straight into a muzzle of a gun dozens of times in movies. You are just wrong about that. Guns are pointed straight at cameras all the time.
Safety on a set is simple. Live rounds should never be there, EVER, regardless of where the gun is pointed.

[daleko]

Jul 14, 2024 17:00:27 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jul 14, 2024 14:51:12 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

There are many instances in film-making where a closeup of a gun is pointed directly at the lens of a camera. Sometimes that is what the director wants. So now what, Mr Professional Filmmaker?

Just to be clear, what is behind the camera lens? In a film camera, the viewing optics are offset to the side, I think. And in digital recording, a viewing monitor is used. Not my world, so I could be in error.

As an aside, other than my 30 minutes w Jimmy Stewart at the old Denver airport 50 years ago, that ended up on Denver evening news, I've only spent time, sharing time and a brew, w one guy, who was your typical working actor grinding out a living startin the 70s. He was an accomplished handler of Firearms, growing up in rural S Illinois and he once told me that he never aimed at a body w anything that wasn't a fake firearm. He aimed off enough but you couldn't tell via the camera. Claimed it always terrified him when others didn't. He was never challenged by the Director. He, today, lives back in S Illinois. 

[dilligaf]

Jul 14, 2024 23:43:14 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jul 14, 2024 19:50:09 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

I know that live rounds are NEVER pointed at a camera. 

Gun safety protocol on a movie set is no different than anywhere else.

I told you what was proper.

Baldwin had NO BUSINESS pulling the trigger on that gun at that particular time.   Anyone who depends on someone else to tell him a gun is "safe" is a fool who should never be allowed to even sniff a gun!

I announced I am right, because I AM.

I have seen straight into a muzzle of a gun dozens of times in movies. You are just wrong about that. Guns are pointed straight at cameras all the time.
Safety on a set is simple. Live rounds should never be there, EVER, regardless of where the gun is pointed.

Well gee, I guess I have never watched a movie or TV show, and I have never undergone firearms safety training or fired a real gun with real bullets.
Yep, you got me there.
You are the expert.

X = unknown

Spurt = drip under pressure.

Now I am going to guess that when a gun is pointed at a motion camera, there is either bulletproof glass in front of the camera, or the camera operator is off to the side.  I don't know what movie protocol is, but I DO know that the #1 rule of safe gunhandling is to NEVER point a gun at another person, if you don't intend to shoot that person.  You NEVER pull the trigger of a gun while it is pointed at another person.  BALDWIN VIOLATED THAT RULE.
You can't win here.

Movie makers take all kinds of stupid risks that result in the deaths of actors and crew much too often.

Look up Vic Morrow , Art Scholl and Paul Mantz, to name just three.

Here's a few more, and this list is FAR from complete.
www.newsweek.com/movies-tv-shows-stunt-actors-died-during-filming-1611943

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Jul 15, 2024 13:22:35 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Jul 14, 2024 23:43:14 GMT -5 Walter said:

I have seen straight into a muzzle of a gun dozens of times in movies. You are just wrong about that. Guns are pointed straight at cameras all the time.
Safety on a set is simple. Live rounds should never be there, EVER, regardless of where the gun is pointed.

Well gee, I guess I have never watched a movie or TV show, and I have never undergone firearms safety training or fired a real gun with real bullets.
Yep, you got me there.
You are the expert.

X = unknown

Spurt = drip under pressure.

Now I am going to guess that when a gun is pointed at a motion camera, there is either bulletproof glass in front of the camera, or the camera operator is off to the side.  I don't know what movie protocol is, but I DO know that the #1 rule of safe gunhandling is to NEVER point a gun at another person, if you don't intend to shoot that person.  You NEVER pull the trigger of a gun while it is pointed at another person.  BALDWIN VIOLATED THAT RULE.
You can't win here.

Movie makers take all kinds of stupid risks that result in the deaths of actors and crew much too often.

Look up Vic Morrow , Art Scholl and Paul Mantz, to name just three.

Here's a few more, and this list is FAR from complete.
www.newsweek.com/movies-tv-shows-stunt-actors-died-during-filming-1611943

Hot mess obviously knows a helluva lot about guns because he saw them on TV and in movies. He's a liar, a clown, a moron and a hundred other descriptors that define a worthless POS.