one ohio sportswriter's ap ballot

[mscott59]

www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2013/09/no_1_clemson_no_2_miami_no_3_m.html

doug lesmerises covers osu sports for the plain dealer. interesting theory on how he puts together his rankings, and what they are for week 2.

mark scott
tosu 81

[oldgraylady]

Sept 9, 2013 11:56:50 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2013/09/no_1_clemson_no_2_miami_no_3_m.html

doug lesmerises covers osu sports for the plain dealer. interesting theory on how he puts together his rankings, and what they are for week 2.

mark scott
tosu 81

Clemson's "body of work?" Georgia-yes, but FCS football school South Carolina State University-no. That's just silly

[al1tidr]

I don't see Miami at #2 at all. The gators were probably the most overrated team in the nation who isn't Southern Cal. Everything else I'm ok with. I will say, however, that I think a team that's won the last two national titles with blowout wins over undefeated #1 ranked teams deserves a bit more respect than this dude gives them.

[Walter]

Sept 9, 2013 13:35:55 GMT -5 al1tidr said:

I don't see Miami at #2 at all. The gators were probably the most overrated team in the nation who isn't Southern Cal. Everything else I'm ok with. I will say, however, that I think a team that's won the last two national titles with blowout wins over undefeated #1 ranked teams deserves a bit more respect than this dude gives them.

uh....I know USC has no QB or Oline yet, but it isn't as though they were ranked anywhere near the top 10 to start things. USC has a completely rebuilt Oline that is going to take some time to gel...They already run block pretty well, but have yet to figure out pass-blocking assignments which is always the last thing an OLine masters.....Then, they have a QB....(well, they have a few guys that take snaps that are called that anyway), that has yet to figure out college football but can only improve, (because we've already seen the worst college QB ever....actually, two of them).

But the D looks stout, especially the front 7, (#1 in the nation against the Run so far this season) and they do have talent, so a #25 rank to start the season wasn't THAT crazy.

[al1tidr]

Sept 9, 2013 13:53:43 GMT -5 Walter said:

Sept 9, 2013 13:35:55 GMT -5 al1tidr said:

I don't see Miami at #2 at all. The gators were probably the most overrated team in the nation who isn't Southern Cal. Everything else I'm ok with. I will say, however, that I think a team that's won the last two national titles with blowout wins over undefeated #1 ranked teams deserves a bit more respect than this dude gives them.

uh....I know USC has no QB or Oline yet, but it isn't as though they were ranked anywhere near the top 10 to start things. USC has a completely rebuilt Oline that is going to take some time to gel...They already run block pretty well, but have yet to figure out pass-blocking assignments which is always the last thing an OLine masters.....Then, they have a QB....(well, they have a few guys that take snaps that are called that anyway), that has yet to figure out college football but can only improve, (because we've already seen the worst college QB ever....actually, two of them).

But the D looks stout, especially the front 7, (#1 in the nation against the Run so far this season) and they do have talent, so a #25 rank to start the season wasn't THAT crazy.

Alright, alright... I admit I still have a bad taste in my mouth about them being ranked #1 preseason over BAMA last year. That cost the Tide a stat (number of times ranked #1) and you know how I like my historical stats....

[canefan]

I am as big a Miami homer as there is and I don't see us at #2. Yet. <g>

[beuycek]

Sept 9, 2013 20:02:26 GMT -5 canefan said:

I am as big a Miami homer as there is and I don't see us at #2. Yet. <g>

I said I wouldn't give Golden any credit unless the Canes went 3-0. One more to go...

[mscott59]

Sept 9, 2013 13:35:55 GMT -5 al1tidr said:

I don't see Miami at #2 at all. The gators were probably the most overrated team in the nation who isn't Southern Cal. Everything else I'm ok with. I will say, however, that I think a team that's won the last two national titles with blowout wins over undefeated #1 ranked teams deserves a bit more respect than this dude gives them.

I certainly don't agree w/all of doug's rankings, but he is pretty open about trying to start his season w/a clean slate, balancing how good a team appears with how significant their wins have been. That probably means his ranking will vary week to week more than most, since he adds more weight to quality wins. if the tide takes care of business in college station, i'm sure he'll send more love your way.

mark scott
tosu 81

[al1tidr]

Sept 10, 2013 7:58:41 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Sept 9, 2013 13:35:55 GMT -5 al1tidr said:

I don't see Miami at #2 at all. The gators were probably the most overrated team in the nation who isn't Southern Cal. Everything else I'm ok with. I will say, however, that I think a team that's won the last two national titles with blowout wins over undefeated #1 ranked teams deserves a bit more respect than this dude gives them.

I certainly don't agree w/all of doug's rankings, but he is pretty open about trying to start his season w/a clean slate, balancing how good a team appears with how significant their wins have been. That probably means his ranking will vary week to week more than most, since he adds more weight to quality wins. if the tide takes care of business in college station, i'm sure he'll send more love your way.

mark scott
tosu 81

....and that's fine if he wants to do it that way. It just makes his ballot look like a sagarin poll, that's all. Luckily enough voters have the intelligence needed to evaluate a team based on more than just simply a scoreboard.

[mscott59]

Sept 10, 2013 8:52:57 GMT -5 al1tidr said:

Sept 10, 2013 7:58:41 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

I certainly don't agree w/all of doug's rankings, but he is pretty open about trying to start his season w/a clean slate, balancing how good a team appears with how significant their wins have been. That probably means his ranking will vary week to week more than most, since he adds more weight to quality wins. if the tide takes care of business in college station, i'm sure he'll send more love your way.

mark scott
tosu 81

....and that's fine if he wants to do it that way. It just makes his ballot look like a sagarin poll, that's all. Luckily enough voters have the intelligence needed to evaluate a team based on more than just simply a scoreboard.

huh? shouldn't that be the main way a team is judged? by what happens on the scoreboard? by its nature the polls are the most inexact of sciences. do you rank a team as to where you think they are now? where they will be by the end of the season? how much does sos play into it? c'mon al.

mark scott
tosu 81

[AlaCowboy]

Sept 10, 2013 8:52:57 GMT -5 al1tidr said:

Sept 10, 2013 7:58:41 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

I certainly don't agree w/all of doug's rankings, but he is pretty open about trying to start his season w/a clean slate, balancing how good a team appears with how significant their wins have been. That probably means his ranking will vary week to week more than most, since he adds more weight to quality wins. if the tide takes care of business in college station, i'm sure he'll send more love your way.

mark scott
tosu 81

....and that's fine if he wants to do it that way. It just makes his ballot look like a sagarin poll, that's all. Luckily enough voters have the intelligence needed to evaluate a team based on more than just simply a scoreboard.

I agree. Damn the scoreboard and W-L! Georgia is NO 1!!!!!!!!

[al1tidr]

Sept 10, 2013 10:25:28 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Sept 10, 2013 8:52:57 GMT -5 al1tidr said:

....and that's fine if he wants to do it that way. It just makes his ballot look like a sagarin poll, that's all. Luckily enough voters have the intelligence needed to evaluate a team based on more than just simply a scoreboard.

I agree. Damn the scoreboard and W-L! Georgia is NO 1!!!!!!!!

What I meant to say was a scoreboard watcher as opposed to someone who watches the actual games and knows the personnel. I think you knew that though. 

[canefan]

Sept 9, 2013 21:45:22 GMT -5 beuycek said:

Sept 9, 2013 20:02:26 GMT -5 canefan said:

I am as big a Miami homer as there is and I don't see us at #2. Yet. <g>

I said I wouldn't give Golden any credit unless the Canes went 3-0. One more to go...

I think we have that covered playing Savanah State next week should guarantee 3-0 and USF after that should make it 4-0.

[beuycek]

Sept 10, 2013 20:55:19 GMT -5 canefan said:

Sept 9, 2013 21:45:22 GMT -5 beuycek said:

I said I wouldn't give Golden any credit unless the Canes went 3-0. One more to go...

I think we have that covered playing Savanah State next week should guarantee 3-0 and USF after that should make it 4-0.

Really? Maybe that isn't the record I said before. I would have had them down for a win in two of those three for sure. Oh well.

Yes, if the Canes lose one of those two Golden deserves the ridicule. USF is as poorly coached team as I have seen in my 40+ years.

[lz2112]

Sept 10, 2013 21:16:51 GMT -5 beuycek said:

Sept 10, 2013 20:55:19 GMT -5 canefan said:

I think we have that covered playing Savanah State next week should guarantee 3-0 and USF after that should make it 4-0.

Really? Maybe that isn't the record I said before. I would have had them down for a win in two of those three for sure. Oh well.

Yes, if the Canes lose one of those two Golden deserves the ridicule. USF is as poorly coached team as I have seen in my 40+ years.

Folks in Tallahassee are enjoying USF's troubles. It seems when USF beat FSU a few years ago, Bull's fans talked a lot of smack.