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Post by drjensen on Mar 22, 2014 10:39:32 GMT -5
penn state is on the cusp of a wrestling dynasty. they basically paid the best coach in the country twice what anyone else could pay because penn state has a billionaire trustee named ira lubert who was a wrestler for penn state. the same billionaire trustee is the same guy who hired bill o'brien at the recommendation of his good friend and partner in numerous real estate ventures...ron jaworski. Penn State is doing well in the wrestling world, but on the "cusp of being a dynasty"? You are bit premature with that statement. When Penn State amasses the number of national titles that Iowa, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Minnesota have, then you might have something to say. That's not to say Sanderson is not a great coach, he is, but not as good as Dan Gable from Iowa was, and by the way, Sanderson is an Iowa State product. If you are watching the tournament, take note of how many coaches are former Iowa wrestlers. Iowa wrestling, now there is a wrestling dynasty, similar to UCLA basketball under Wooden. |
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Post by mscott59 on Mar 22, 2014 11:32:21 GMT -5
penn state is on the cusp of a wrestling dynasty. they basically paid the best coach in the country twice what anyone else could pay because penn state has a billionaire trustee named ira lubert who was a wrestler for penn state. the same billionaire trustee is the same guy who hired bill o'brien at the recommendation of his good friend and partner in numerous real estate ventures...ron jaworski. Penn State is doing well in the wrestling world, but on the "cusp of being a dynasty"? You are bit premature with that statement. When Penn State amasses the number of national titles that Iowa, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Minnesota have, then you might have something to say. That's not to say Sanderson is not a great coach, he is, but not as good as Dan Gable from Iowa was, and by the way, Sanderson is an Iowa State product. If you are watching the tournament, take note of how many coaches are former Iowa wrestlers. Iowa wrestling, now there is a wrestling dynasty, similar to UCLA basketball under Wooden. Hi doc. Welcome. Mark Scott Tosu 81 |
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Post by oujour76 on Mar 22, 2014 13:00:07 GMT -5
penn state is on the cusp of a wrestling dynasty. they basically paid the best coach in the country twice what anyone else could pay because penn state has a billionaire trustee named ira lubert who was a wrestler for penn state. the same billionaire trustee is the same guy who hired bill o'brien at the recommendation of his good friend and partner in numerous real estate ventures...ron jaworski. Penn State is doing well in the wrestling world, but on the "cusp of being a dynasty"? You are bit premature with that statement. When Penn State amasses the number of national titles that Iowa, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Minnesota have, then you might have something to say. That's not to say Sanderson is not a great coach, he is, but not as good as Dan Gable from Iowa was, and by the way, Sanderson is an Iowa State product. If you are watching the tournament, take note of how many coaches are former Iowa wrestlers. Iowa wrestling, now there is a wrestling dynasty, similar to UCLA basketball under Wooden.
For those that don't know, he lost one match his entire college career at Iowa State...his final one while going for a 3rd straight national title. The answer to that trivia question is..."Who is Larry Owings?" I can still recall how shocked I was when Gable lost.
I remember that Owings had pulled something like 30 pounds to even wrestle at 142. And Gable had been unbeaten in high school. Losing to Owings was the first match he had lost in 8 years. Unreal.
Doc, one thing I could never figure out was why Iowa State didn't hire Gable? How did they let him go to Iowa? Is there some kind of inside story to that? |
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Post by oujour76 on Mar 22, 2014 15:17:08 GMT -5
Updated results. Finals tonight. Close as hell between Other State University, PSU and Minnesota.
As for OU, looks like top 10 finish. Good job, Sooners. Shocked about Kendric Maple, though. He finished 8th despite being defending champ at 149. Lost two OT matches. Going in thought he was a lock to at least make the finals. Not to be, I guess.
After the smoke of the semifinals cleared at the 2014 NCAA Wrestling Championships in Oklahoma City, Penn State, Minnesota and Oklahoma State remained at the top. This year's NCAA Wrestling Championships features the tightest team race in recent memory. After the semifinals, and heading into the third and final day of competition, three schools have a very real shot at a national championship. The three-time defending champion Penn State Nittany Lions face incredibly close competition in the Minnesota Golden Gophers and Oklahoma State Cowboys. As of the end of the fourth session of the tournament only team four points separate the three. Penn State has seven wrestlers alive in the final day of the tournament and two in the finals, Oklahoma State features five wrestlers in Saturday's competition and four finalists, while Minnesota brings seven to the final day with two in the finals. As things stand, Saturday's finals will ultimately determine the team championship. The semifinals featured the expected high-intensity action, and aired live on ESPN. Defending 125 pound champion Jesse Delgado opened the semifinals with a commanding 9-6 win over Northern Iowa's Dylan Peters, 9-6. In the second semifinal, Cornell's Nahshon Garrett survived a late rally from Penn State's Nico Megaludis, and won 6-4. In the second set of semifinals, Wisconsin's Tyler Graff, a four-time All-American, finally ascended to the NCAA finals after a 6-4 decision over Northern Iowa's Joe Colon. The next mat over, Iowa's Tony Ramos sealed his place in the finals by putting Edinboro's A.J. Schopp on his back in the final seconds and winning, 5-1. "I knew I would get to him," Ramos said after the match. "I saw him wearing and wearing and wearing. And as soon as I locked up, my hands on that. As soon as I felt it, he started screaming and I knew it was over. In the 141-pound semifinals, Virginia Tech's Devin Carter became his school's first ever national finalist, beating North Carolina's Evan Henderson, 12-3. Side-by-side with Carter's victory, Ohio State's Logan Stieber downed Penn State's Zain Retherford, 7-3. Next up. Jason Tsirtsis of Northwestern needed tie breakers to beat top seeded Drake Houdashelt of Missouri, 2-1 in the 149 pound semifinals. The other semifinal at this weight saw a surging Josh Kindig of Oklahoma State beat Lehigh's Mitch Minotti, 5-2. After Kindig's semifinal win, the loud Oklahoma State cheering section went wild again as Alex Dieringer won his 157 pound semifinal against Cornell's Brian Realbuto, 7-4. Meeting Dieringer in the finals will be Minnesota's Dylan Ness, who continued his amazing run be downing Kent's Ian Miller, 6-4. Ness discussed his unique and exciting style after his match. "I feel like I just could be unpredictable," Ness said. "You never know what I'm going to do out there. I don't even know what I'm going to do out there. I just go out and wrestle, and most of the time it's like in basic or sometimes funky. But I don't know. " Ness may be the most exciting wrestler in college, but the most dominate wrestler came up next. Penn State's David Taylor dispatched North Dakota State's Steven Monk, 13-5, to become a four-time finalist. One mat over, Oklahoma State's Tyler Caldwell claimed the other finals spot at 165 pounds, shutting down Virginia's Nick Sulzer, 5-0. After his victory, Caldwell discussed the experience of wrestling in a tournament knowing he would have to eventually face someone like Taylor. "Yeah, I come to the tournament, you expect a guy like Dave Taylor to be in the Finals, just given his past," Caldwell said. " He's been in there three times now. He's national champ, so you expect that. But also crazier things have happened, so you never know. This tournament, I just kind of focus on who is ahead of me one match at a time." Following the 165-pound semifinal, the 174-pound semifinal saw two past national champions advance to another finals. Oklahoma's Andrew Howe prevailed over Minnesota's Logan Storley, 6-3, while Oklahoma State's Chris Perry slipped by Iowa's Mike Evans. Though Sulzer failed to earn the Atlantic Coast Conference another finalist, Maryland's Jimmy Sheptock made up for it in the 184 pound semifinals. Sheptock defeated Old Dominion's Jack Dechow, 3-2. In the other 184 pound semis, Penn State's Ed Ruth avenged his only loss in the last three years, narrowly beating Cornell's Gabe Dean, 5-3. Meanwhile, in the 197-pound semifinals, midnight struck on Chris Penny's cinderella story as the Virginia Tech senior lost to Missouri's J'Den Cox, 4-1. Soon after Cox's triumph, Ohio State's Nick Heflin raised his arms in victory. Heflin beat Minnesota's Scott Schiller in his semifinal, 2-1 Finally, in the 285-pound semis, Minnesota's Tony Nelson continued the defense of his two straight national titles, controlling Iowa's Bobby Telford, beating him, 4-2. In order to win a third straight championship, Nelson must get past North Carolina State's Nick Gwiazdowski, who won his semifinal over Indiana's Adam Chalfant, 5-4. Finals Matchups 125 Pounds Jesse Delgado (Illinois) vs Nahshon Garrett (Cornell) 133 Pounds Tyler Graff (Wisconsin) 31-4 vs Tony Ramos (Iowa) 141 Pounds Devin Carter (Virginia Tech) vs Logan Stieber (Ohio St.) 149 Pounds Jason Tsirtsis (Northwestern) vs Joshua Kindig (Oklahoma St.) 157 Pounds Dylan Ness (Minnesota) vs Alex Dieringer (Oklahoma St.) 165 Pounds David Taylor (Penn State) vs Tyler Caldwell (Oklahoma St.) 174 Pounds Chris Perry (Oklahoma St.) vs Andrew Howe (Oklahoma) 184 Pounds Jimmy Sheptock (Maryland) vs Ed Ruth (Penn State) Team Scores Through the Semifinals 1. Penn St. 91.0 2. Minnesota 90.5 3. Oklahoma St. 87.5 4. Iowa 67.0 5. Ohio St. 52.0 6. Edinboro 48.5 7. Cornell 46.5 8. Virginia Tech 45.5 9. Oklahoma 45.0 10. Illinois 37.0 11. Iowa St. 35.5 11. Missouri 35.5 11. Northwestern 35.5 11. UNI 35.5 15. Wisconsin 35.0 www.sbnation.com/2014/3/22/5535294/2014-ncaa-wrestling-championships-results-semifinals-winners-David-Taylor-Iowa-Penn-State
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Post by drjensen on Mar 24, 2014 10:13:43 GMT -5
Penn State is doing well in the wrestling world, but on the "cusp of being a dynasty"? You are bit premature with that statement. When Penn State amasses the number of national titles that Iowa, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Minnesota have, then you might have something to say. That's not to say Sanderson is not a great coach, he is, but not as good as Dan Gable from Iowa was, and by the way, Sanderson is an Iowa State product. If you are watching the tournament, take note of how many coaches are former Iowa wrestlers. Iowa wrestling, now there is a wrestling dynasty, similar to UCLA basketball under Wooden.
For those that don't know, he lost one match his entire college career at Iowa State...his final one while going for a 3rd straight national title. The answer to that trivia question is..."Who is Larry Owings?" I can still recall how shocked I was when Gable lost.
I remember that Owings had pulled something like 30 pounds to even wrestle at 142. And Gable had been unbeaten in high school. Losing to Owings was the first match he had lost in 8 years. Unreal.
Doc, one thing I could never figure out was why Iowa State didn't hire Gable? How did they let him go to Iowa? Is there some kind of inside story to that? Gable's coach at Iowa State was Harold Nichols, hell of a coach. Iowa State has won 8 National titles, twice as many as PSU, one of the reasons I said PSU is far from a dynasty. Anyhow, Nichols was an excellent coach and Gable was an unknown as far as coaching goes. He is from Waterloo, not far from Iowa City and Iowa took a chance on him. After Nichols retired ISU hired Jim Gibbons, national champ from ISU, excellent wrestler but not a great coach, then they hired a guy by the name of Bobby Douglas, good coach but not great, then came Sanderson, outstanding wrestler at ISU and a great coach. ISU wouldn't come up with the big bucks that Penn State had and the rest is history. Gable and Dan Smith can be attributed with bringing the sport to it's current popularity. At one time there was a movement going on that was aimed at trying to deter Iowa from it's repeated success as national champs. If memory serves me correctly, at one time they one 9 national championships in a row. Gable was so forceful in the sport he got it subdued. I have two sons who were State place winners and a nephew who was a two time state champ. Now have two grandsons who are doing quite well and have a bright future in the sport. My oldest granddaughter wrestled for several years and won a lot of tournament championships. I'm thankful she decided to give it up, she made a lot of young boys pretty unhappy. People who are not familiar with wrestling have no idea of the training and sacrifices wrestlers endure. Almost every wrestler I know and know of are excellent individuals. Great sport! |
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Post by oujour76 on Mar 24, 2014 10:42:17 GMT -5
Dan Gable....hell of a wrestler and coach. Wrestling is popular in Oklahoma and I followed Gable a little bit.
For those that don't know, he lost one match his entire college career at Iowa State...his final one while going for a 3rd straight national title. The answer to that trivia question is..."Who is Larry Owings?" I can still recall how shocked I was when Gable lost.
I remember that Owings had pulled something like 30 pounds to even wrestle at 142. And Gable had been unbeaten in high school. Losing to Owings was the first match he had lost in 8 years. Unreal.
Doc, one thing I could never figure out was why Iowa State didn't hire Gable? How did they let him go to Iowa? Is there some kind of inside story to that? Gable's coach at Iowa State was Harold Nichols, hell of a coach. Iowa State has won 8 National titles, twice as many as PSU, one of the reasons I said PSU is far from a dynasty. Anyhow, Nichols was an excellent coach and Gable was an unknown as far as coaching goes. He is from Waterloo, not far from Iowa City and Iowa took a chance on him. After Nichols retired ISU hired Jim Gibbons, national champ from ISU, excellent wrestler but not a great coach, then they hired a guy by the name of Bobby Douglas, good coach but not great, then came Sanderson, outstanding wrestler at ISU and a great coach. ISU wouldn't come up with the big bucks that Penn State had and the rest is history. Gable and Dan Smith can be attributed with bringing the sport to it's current popularity. At one time there was a movement going on that was aimed at trying to deter Iowa from it's repeated success as national champs. If memory serves me correctly, at one time they one 9 national championships in a row. Gable was so forceful in the sport he got it subdued. I have two sons who were State place winners and a nephew who was a two time state champ. Now have two grandsons who are doing quite well and have a bright future in the sport. My oldest granddaughter wrestled for several years and won a lot of tournament championships. I'm thankful she decided to give it up, she made a lot of young boys pretty unhappy. People who are not familiar with wrestling have no idea of the training and sacrifices wrestlers endure. Almost every wrestler I know and know of are excellent individuals. Great sport!
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Post by oujour76 on Mar 24, 2014 10:46:39 GMT -5
Gable's coach at Iowa State was Harold Nichols, hell of a coach. Iowa State has won 8 National titles, twice as many as PSU, one of the reasons I said PSU is far from a dynasty. |
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Post by Buckeye Dale on Mar 24, 2014 10:46:41 GMT -5
Gable's coach at Iowa State was Harold Nichols, hell of a coach. Iowa State has won 8 National titles, twice as many as PSU, one of the reasons I said PSU is far from a dynasty. Anyhow, Nichols was an excellent coach and Gable was an unknown as far as coaching goes. He is from Waterloo, not far from Iowa City and Iowa took a chance on him. After Nichols retired ISU hired Jim Gibbons, national champ from ISU, excellent wrestler but not a great coach, then they hired a guy by the name of Bobby Douglas, good coach but not great, then came Sanderson, outstanding wrestler at ISU and a great coach. ISU wouldn't come up with the big bucks that Penn State had and the rest is history. Gable and Dan Smith can be attributed with bringing the sport to it's current popularity. At one time there was a movement going on that was aimed at trying to deter Iowa from it's repeated success as national champs. If memory serves me correctly, at one time they one 9 national championships in a row. Gable was so forceful in the sport he got it subdued. I have two sons who were State place winners and a nephew who was a two time state champ. Now have two grandsons who are doing quite well and have a bright future in the sport. My oldest granddaughter wrestled for several years and won a lot of tournament championships. I'm thankful she decided to give it up, she made a lot of young boys pretty unhappy. People who are not familiar with wrestling have no idea of the training and sacrifices wrestlers endure. Almost every wrestler I know and know of are excellent individuals. Great sport!
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Post by oujour76 on Mar 24, 2014 10:49:41 GMT -5
Got it. Thanks for the info and congrats on your kids and grandkids. My brother wrestled in high school so I followed the sport a little bit and my best friend also wrestled. So, I went to a few matches and I have some idea of how tough the training can be. I know a guy who slept wrapped in saran wrap under a vinyl jacket just to pull weight. Crazy stuff.
Haven't been to a HS match since right after graduation (1970, maybe?)...but remember my coach calling it the hardest six minutes of life...(saw the NCAA is 7 min). I also remember being wrapped in saran wrap, in sweats, sitting on top of the heater on the bus ride, chewing cinnamon gum & spitting into a cup...but I made weight... : ) |
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Post by drjensen on Mar 24, 2014 10:57:57 GMT -5
Got it. Thanks for the info and congrats on your kids and grandkids. My brother wrestled in high school so I followed the sport a little bit and my best friend also wrestled. So, I went to a few matches and I have some idea of how tough the training can be. I know a guy who slept wrapped in saran wrap under a vinyl jacket just to pull weight. Crazy stuff.
Haven't been to a HS match since right after graduation (1970, maybe?)...but remember my coach calling it the hardest six minutes of life...(saw the NCAA is 7 min). I also remember being wrapped in saran wrap, in sweats, sitting on top of the heater on the bus ride, chewing cinnamon gum & spitting into a cup...but I made weight... : ) My oldest son used to chew lettuce, how bad is that? When we ate dinner, my wife would send him to his room so he didn't have to watch us eat. Actually, I think we all felt a little guilty about eating in front of him. |
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Post by mscott59 on Mar 24, 2014 11:33:19 GMT -5
Haven't been to a HS match since right after graduation (1970, maybe?)...but remember my coach calling it the hardest six minutes of life...(saw the NCAA is 7 min). I also remember being wrapped in saran wrap, in sweats, sitting on top of the heater on the bus ride, chewing cinnamon gum & spitting into a cup...but I made weight... : ) My oldest son used to chew lettuce, how bad is that? When we ate dinner, my wife would send him to his room so he didn't have to watch us eat. Actually, I think we all felt a little guilty about eating in front of him. 3 years of hs basketball practice. we had a tough coach. we ran lines before practice, after practice. exhausted, we'd then shoot ft's and if we didn't make 2 straight, all 12 of us, split into 2 teams, we ran again. and yet that was much less than seeing guys wearing sweatshits running laps around the school hallways, to make weight prior to a match. how could you exhaust yourself like that and still wrestle an opponent? tough tough breed. mark scott tosu 81 |
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Post by Buckeye Dale on Mar 26, 2014 7:37:01 GMT -5
My oldest son used to chew lettuce, how bad is that? When we ate dinner, my wife would send him to his room so he didn't have to watch us eat. Actually, I think we all felt a little guilty about eating in front of him. 3 years of hs basketball practice. we had a tough coach. we ran lines before practice, after practice. exhausted, we'd then shoot ft's and if we didn't make 2 straight, all 12 of us, split into 2 teams, we ran again. and yet that was much less than seeing guys wearing sweatshits running laps around the school hallways, to make weight prior to a match. how could you exhaust yourself like that and still wrestle an opponent? tough tough breed. mark scott tosu 81 I understand schools these days are more conscious of what was going on, and have limited the drastic weight loss. I guess it depends on the coach, school, & state for exactly what is allowed. My first year, I picked up a trick from a senior, and took honey for energy. After weigh in, all bets are off... : )
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