UNC scandal heads to Washington

[ihs82]

Congressman in CA calling to congressional hearings as to why the NCAA decided not to hold North Carolina accountable for their academic scandal. For those who don't remember, North Carolina is accused of creating bogus classes in order to keep their athletes eligible for various sports. Ex players have publically stated that they were directed to these classes by athletic department staff. This seemingly is an egregious violation of everything the NCAA claims it stands for. I mean the NCAA goes to great lengths to try to convince the general public that the value of an education is enough to reward student athletes who play the central role in generating a boat load of money for everyone else. is the NCAA afraid of the public finding out that a large, prestigious participating member may have provided players with a dishonest educational system so that the university could continue to enjoy the benefits and prestige associated with having successful athletics?


www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/us/unc-academic-fraud-investigation/index.html

[oujour76]

Apr 9, 2014 8:02:40 GMT -5 ihs82 said:

Congressman in CA calling to congressional hearings as to why the NCAA decided not to hold North Carolina accountable for their academic scandal. For those who don't remember, North Carolina is accused of creating bogus classes in order to keep their athletes eligible for various sports. Ex players have publically stated that they were directed to these classes by athletic department staff. This seemingly is an egregious violation of everything the NCAA claims it stands for. I mean the NCAA goes to great lengths to try to convince the general public that the value of an education is enough to reward student athletes who play the central role in generating a boat load of money for everyone else. is the NCAA afraid of the public finding out that a large, prestigious participating member may have provided players with a dishonest educational system so that the university could continue to enjoy the benefits and prestige associated with having successful athletics?


www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/us/unc-academic-fraud-investigation/index.html

This has no place in D.C. imo...that said, of course the NCAA picks and chooses what schools it goes after.

They have always targeted certain schools and in the last few years, they have shown a remarkable tolerance for things going on at "basketball" schools such as UNC.

True story....I told some Penn State fans about 20 years ago that the NCAA targeted schools and they said I was paranoid. Wonder how they would react today?

[lz2112]

Apr 9, 2014 9:20:54 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Apr 9, 2014 8:02:40 GMT -5 ihs82 said:

Congressman in CA calling to congressional hearings as to why the NCAA decided not to hold North Carolina accountable for their academic scandal. For those who don't remember, North Carolina is accused of creating bogus classes in order to keep their athletes eligible for various sports. Ex players have publically stated that they were directed to these classes by athletic department staff. This seemingly is an egregious violation of everything the NCAA claims it stands for. I mean the NCAA goes to great lengths to try to convince the general public that the value of an education is enough to reward student athletes who play the central role in generating a boat load of money for everyone else. is the NCAA afraid of the public finding out that a large, prestigious participating member may have provided players with a dishonest educational system so that the university could continue to enjoy the benefits and prestige associated with having successful athletics?


www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/us/unc-academic-fraud-investigation/index.html

This has no place in D.C. imo...that said, of course the NCAA picks and chooses what schools it goes after.

They have always targeted certain schools and in the last few years, they have shown a remarkable tolerance for things going on at "basketball" schools such as UNC.

True story....I told some Penn State fans about 20 years ago that the NCAA targeted schools and they said I was paranoid. Wonder how they would react today?

Nobody ever thinks the NCAA targets until their school gets into the NCAA's sights.

[ihs82]

Apr 9, 2014 9:20:54 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Apr 9, 2014 8:02:40 GMT -5 ihs82 said:

Congressman in CA calling to congressional hearings as to why the NCAA decided not to hold North Carolina accountable for their academic scandal. For those who don't remember, North Carolina is accused of creating bogus classes in order to keep their athletes eligible for various sports. Ex players have publically stated that they were directed to these classes by athletic department staff. This seemingly is an egregious violation of everything the NCAA claims it stands for. I mean the NCAA goes to great lengths to try to convince the general public that the value of an education is enough to reward student athletes who play the central role in generating a boat load of money for everyone else. is the NCAA afraid of the public finding out that a large, prestigious participating member may have provided players with a dishonest educational system so that the university could continue to enjoy the benefits and prestige associated with having successful athletics?


www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/us/unc-academic-fraud-investigation/index.html

This has no place in D.C. imo...that said, of course the NCAA picks and chooses what schools it goes after.

They have always targeted certain schools and in the last few years, they have shown a remarkable tolerance for things going on at "basketball" schools such as UNC.

True story....I told some Penn State fans about 20 years ago that the NCAA targeted schools and they said I was paranoid. Wonder how they would react today?

I agree that the NCAA probably does play favorites with certain schools but I think something much more dubious is going on here. Between the unionization attempts and various lawsuits, The NCAA's current student athlete model is fighting for its life right now. The crux of the NCAA's argument for maintaining the status quo is that they provide a free education to student athletes. What happens if the public finds out the education being provided is phony? Then what is the NCAA's argument for not compensating their revenue generators? I'm not saying every university is providing bogus classes to its student athletes. But I doubt North Carolina is the only place where the athletic department directs students to certain classes. There is probably very good reason why the NCAA doesn't want this to get out.

[mscott59]

Apr 9, 2014 8:02:40 GMT -5 ihs82 said:

Congressman in CA calling to congressional hearings as to why the NCAA decided not to hold North Carolina accountable for their academic scandal. For those who don't remember, North Carolina is accused of creating bogus classes in order to keep their athletes eligible for various sports. Ex players have publically stated that they were directed to these classes by athletic department staff. This seemingly is an egregious violation of everything the NCAA claims it stands for. I mean the NCAA goes to great lengths to try to convince the general public that the value of an education is enough to reward student athletes who play the central role in generating a boat load of money for everyone else. is the NCAA afraid of the public finding out that a large, prestigious participating member may have provided players with a dishonest educational system so that the university could continue to enjoy the benefits and prestige associated with having successful athletics?


www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/us/unc-academic-fraud-investigation/index.html

fwiw i've been really surprised about how little exposure this whole mess has received in both the sports and general media. i know unc has never been a football power (and that matters in terms of press), but you think about the coverage that the stuff at psu got for the sandusky stuff, osu for the tressel/trading-trinkets-for-tattoos cover up , all the goings on at miami w/shapiro and pell grant problems, reggie bush/usc, fsu had some academic issues under bowden, alabama's textbook sale stuff, all of them have left various black eyes, but none went to the absolute core of what the definition of student-athlete is supposed to be, and not be, like what happened at chapel hill. and yet it's made much less ripples in the pool than any of the other wrongdoings i listed, at least in my mind.

mark scott
tosu 81

[ihs82]

Apr 9, 2014 9:33:04 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Apr 9, 2014 8:02:40 GMT -5 ihs82 said:

Congressman in CA calling to congressional hearings as to why the NCAA decided not to hold North Carolina accountable for their academic scandal. For those who don't remember, North Carolina is accused of creating bogus classes in order to keep their athletes eligible for various sports. Ex players have publically stated that they were directed to these classes by athletic department staff. This seemingly is an egregious violation of everything the NCAA claims it stands for. I mean the NCAA goes to great lengths to try to convince the general public that the value of an education is enough to reward student athletes who play the central role in generating a boat load of money for everyone else. is the NCAA afraid of the public finding out that a large, prestigious participating member may have provided players with a dishonest educational system so that the university could continue to enjoy the benefits and prestige associated with having successful athletics?


www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/us/unc-academic-fraud-investigation/index.html

fwiw i've been really surprised about how little exposure this whole mess has received in both the sports and general media. i know unc has never been a football power (and that matters in terms of press), but you think about the coverage that the stuff at psu got for the sandusky stuff, osu for the tressel/trading-trinkets-for-tattoos cover up , all the goings on at miami w/shapiro and pell grant problems, reggie bush/usc, fsu had some academic issues under bowden, alabama's textbook sale stuff, all of them have left various black eyes, but none went to the absolute core of what the definition of student-athlete is supposed to be, and not be, like what happened at chapel hill. and yet it's made much less ripples in the pool than any of the other wrongdoings i listed, at least in my mind.

mark scott
tosu 81

psu - paterno implicated through freeh report/corresponding e-mails
ohio state - tressel implicated through e-mails
unc - no famous person implicated.

if dean smith was caught in an e-mail telling someone to direct a student to one of these bogus classes, I guarantee this story would be 1000000 times bigger than it is.

[mscott59]

Apr 9, 2014 9:20:54 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Apr 9, 2014 8:02:40 GMT -5 ihs82 said:

Congressman in CA calling to congressional hearings as to why the NCAA decided not to hold North Carolina accountable for their academic scandal. For those who don't remember, North Carolina is accused of creating bogus classes in order to keep their athletes eligible for various sports. Ex players have publically stated that they were directed to these classes by athletic department staff. This seemingly is an egregious violation of everything the NCAA claims it stands for. I mean the NCAA goes to great lengths to try to convince the general public that the value of an education is enough to reward student athletes who play the central role in generating a boat load of money for everyone else. is the NCAA afraid of the public finding out that a large, prestigious participating member may have provided players with a dishonest educational system so that the university could continue to enjoy the benefits and prestige associated with having successful athletics?


www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/us/unc-academic-fraud-investigation/index.html

This has no place in D.C. imo...that said, of course the NCAA picks and chooses what schools it goes after.

They have always targeted certain schools and in the last few years, they have shown a remarkable tolerance for things going on at "basketball" schools such as UNC.

True story....I told some Penn State fans about 20 years ago that the NCAA targeted schools and they said I was paranoid. Wonder how they would react today?

back in 2010, the ncaa signed a $10.8 billion (that's billion w/a b) 14 year deal w/cbs. 95% of the ncaa annual revenues are generated in some form by the d-1 basketball tournament. the ncaa as of last october had about $530 million in unrestricted assets. yes, i can understand any leaning toward basketball tolerance.

that does remind me of a joke. my hs coach knew one of the assistants at long beach state back in the late 60's/early 70's, when guys like dwight ratliff and bo lamar were trying to challenge ucla's dominance out west, coached by one jerry tarkanian. i'm sure it's a line he got from someone else, but he talked about how the ncaa was so mad at ucla for their tendency to 'recruit' kids from all over the country to play at westwood, that they put tark on probation. lol.

mark scott
tosu 81

[oujour76]

Apr 9, 2014 9:32:23 GMT -5 lz2112 said:

Apr 9, 2014 9:20:54 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

This has no place in D.C. imo...that said, of course the NCAA picks and chooses what schools it goes after.

They have always targeted certain schools and in the last few years, they have shown a remarkable tolerance for things going on at "basketball" schools such as UNC.

True story....I told some Penn State fans about 20 years ago that the NCAA targeted schools and they said I was paranoid. Wonder how they would react today?

Nobody ever thinks the NCAA targets until their school gets into the NCAA's sights.

True...as the old saying goes it all depends on whose ox is being gored.

[oujour76]

Apr 9, 2014 9:32:37 GMT -5 ihs82 said:

Apr 9, 2014 9:20:54 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

This has no place in D.C. imo...that said, of course the NCAA picks and chooses what schools it goes after.

They have always targeted certain schools and in the last few years, they have shown a remarkable tolerance for things going on at "basketball" schools such as UNC.

True story....I told some Penn State fans about 20 years ago that the NCAA targeted schools and they said I was paranoid. Wonder how they would react today?

I agree that the NCAA probably does play favorites with certain schools but I think something much more dubious is going on here. Between the unionization attempts and various lawsuits, The NCAA's current student athlete model is fighting for its life right now. The crux of the NCAA's argument for maintaining the status quo is that they provide a free education to student athletes. What happens if the public finds out the education being provided is phony? Then what is the NCAA's argument for not compensating their revenue generators? I'm not saying every university is providing bogus classes to its student athletes. But I doubt North Carolina is the only place where the athletic department directs students to certain classes. There is probably very good reason why the NCAA doesn't want this to get out.

"Student athlete" was a contrived term from the beginning. Walter Byers spilled that secret a long time ago. I'm not in favor of a union for a number of reasons, but isn't it interesting how the issues being raised are now on the fast track?

The NLRB employee decision was based on how much was spent on football and more importantly, who controls that time. The players were able to consistently show that they were doing football activities 30+ hours a week controlled by the athletic department. That fits anybody's definition of an employee.

The NCAA rule on time is 20 hours per week in season and 8 in the off season. Live within that time frame and the union issue would never have been on the table imo. The NCAA and the schools brought all of this on themselves. They never addressed the issues before because they didn't have to. Now, they have no choice. Classic case of proactive vs. reactive. IMO at least.

[oujour76]

Apr 9, 2014 9:33:04 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/us/unc-academic-fraud-investigation/index.html

fwiw i've been really surprised about how little exposure this whole mess has received in both the sports and general media. i know unc has never been a football power (and that matters in terms of press), but you think about the coverage that the stuff at psu got for the sandusky stuff, osu for the tressel/trading-trinkets-for-tattoos cover up , all the goings on at miami w/shapiro and pell grant problems, reggie bush/usc, fsu had some academic issues under bowden, alabama's textbook sale stuff, all of them have left various black eyes, but none went to the absolute core of what the definition of student-athlete is supposed to be, and not be, like what happened at chapel hill. and yet it's made much less ripples in the pool than any of the other wrongdoings i listed, at least in my mind.

mark scott
tosu 81
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It's almost as if the media doesn't want this can of worms opened? Nah, that couldn't be it, could it?

[oujour76]

Apr 9, 2014 9:49:47 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Apr 9, 2014 9:20:54 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

This has no place in D.C. imo...that said, of course the NCAA picks and chooses what schools it goes after.

They have always targeted certain schools and in the last few years, they have shown a remarkable tolerance for things going on at "basketball" schools such as UNC.

True story....I told some Penn State fans about 20 years ago that the NCAA targeted schools and they said I was paranoid. Wonder how they would react today?

back in 2010, the ncaa signed a $10.8 billion (that's billion w/a b) 14 year deal w/cbs. 95% of the ncaa annual revenues are generated in some form by the d-1 basketball tournament. the ncaa as of last october had about $530 million in unrestricted assets. yes, i can understand any leaning toward basketball tolerance.

that does remind me of a joke. my hs coach knew one of the assistants at long beach state back in the late 60's/early 70's, when guys like dwight ratliff and bo lamar were trying to challenge ucla's dominance out west, coached by one jerry tarkanian. i'm sure it's a line he got from someone else, but he talked about how the ncaa was so mad at ucla for their tendency to 'recruit' kids from all over the country to play at westwood, that they put tark on probation. lol.

mark scott
tosu 81

Tark knew what was going on. For example, anybody involved in college basketball at that time knew all about Sam Gilbert. Well, except for John Wooden.

[lz2112]

Apr 9, 2014 9:49:47 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Apr 9, 2014 9:20:54 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

This has no place in D.C. imo...that said, of course the NCAA picks and chooses what schools it goes after.

They have always targeted certain schools and in the last few years, they have shown a remarkable tolerance for things going on at "basketball" schools such as UNC.

True story....I told some Penn State fans about 20 years ago that the NCAA targeted schools and they said I was paranoid. Wonder how they would react today?

back in 2010, the ncaa signed a $10.8 billion (that's billion w/a b) 14 year deal w/cbs. 95% of the ncaa annual revenues are generated in some form by the d-1 basketball tournament. the ncaa as of last october had about $530 million in unrestricted assets. yes, i can understand any leaning toward basketball tolerance.

that does remind me of a joke. my hs coach knew one of the assistants at long beach state back in the late 60's/early 70's, when guys like dwight ratliff and bo lamar were trying to challenge ucla's dominance out west, coached by one jerry tarkanian. i'm sure it's a line he got from someone else, but he talked about how the ncaa was so mad at ucla for their tendency to 'recruit' kids from all over the country to play at westwood, that they put tark on probation. lol.

mark scott
tosu 81

That joke actually came from Tarkanian himself. Tark's was "The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky, it's going to give Cleveland State two more years' probation."