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Post by ihs82 on May 19, 2014 10:19:53 GMT -5
there is a hearing today in central pa b/c the ncaa and penn state have objected to paternos request for all documents related to their suit against the ncaa/penn state.
attorney for the ncaa admitted today that penn states options at the time was consent decree or death penalty.
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NCAA attny Emerett Johnson: It was not a gun to the head, it was simply not playing a football game on a Saturday (if decree not signed)"
here is chairman of the ncaa executive committee (Ed Ray) in an interview immediately following the announcement of sanctions against Penn State:
President Erickson was quoted today as saying that Penn State accepted that deal because if not, you would have decided to suspend play. Can you confirm that?
Ray: I've known Rod for a long time. I didn't hear what he said. I was on a plane flying back to Oregon. But I can tell you categorically, there was never a threat made to anyone about suspension of play if the consent decree was not agreed to.
So it wasn't as though you said, "Take this deal or we're shutting you down"?
Ray: That was never even a point of discussion within either the executive committee or the Division I board.
why did the ncaa find the need to lie to the public? why couldn't they just say "we gave penn state two options."?
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Post by mscott59 on May 19, 2014 10:30:14 GMT -5
there is a hearing today in central pa b/c the ncaa and penn state have objected to paternos request for all documents related to their suit against the ncaa/penn state. attorney for the ncaa admitted today that penn states options at the time was consent decree or death penalty. "Jenn Miller @rprtrjennmiller · 16m NCAA attny Emerett Johnson: It was not a gun to the head, it was simply not playing a football game on a Saturday (if decree not signed)" here is chairman of the ncaa executive committee (Ed Ray) in an interview immediately following the announcement of sanctions against Penn State: President Erickson was quoted today as saying that Penn State accepted that deal because if not, you would have decided to suspend play. Can you confirm that?
Ray: I've known Rod for a long time. I didn't hear what he said. I was on a plane flying back to Oregon. But I can tell you categorically, there was never a threat made to anyone about suspension of play if the consent decree was not agreed to.
So it wasn't as though you said, "Take this deal or we're shutting you down"?
Ray: That was never even a point of discussion within either the executive committee or the Division I board.
why did the ncaa find the need to lie to the public? why couldn't they just say "we gave penn state two options."? is it possible that ray is not the person who's lying about the '2 option only' premise? mark scott tosu 81 |
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Post by ihs82 on May 19, 2014 10:41:18 GMT -5
there is a hearing today in central pa b/c the ncaa and penn state have objected to paternos request for all documents related to their suit against the ncaa/penn state. attorney for the ncaa admitted today that penn states options at the time was consent decree or death penalty. "Jenn Miller @rprtrjennmiller · 16m NCAA attny Emerett Johnson: It was not a gun to the head, it was simply not playing a football game on a Saturday (if decree not signed)" here is chairman of the ncaa executive committee (Ed Ray) in an interview immediately following the announcement of sanctions against Penn State: President Erickson was quoted today as saying that Penn State accepted that deal because if not, you would have decided to suspend play. Can you confirm that?
Ray: I've known Rod for a long time. I didn't hear what he said. I was on a plane flying back to Oregon. But I can tell you categorically, there was never a threat made to anyone about suspension of play if the consent decree was not agreed to.
So it wasn't as though you said, "Take this deal or we're shutting you down"?
Ray: That was never even a point of discussion within either the executive committee or the Division I board.
why did the ncaa find the need to lie to the public? why couldn't they just say "we gave penn state two options."? is it possible that ray is not the person who's lying about the '2 option only' premise? mark scott tosu 81 who else would be lying? the chairman of the committee that empowered emmert to make the decision to punish penn state said the death penalty was not threatened to penn state. today, an ncaa attorney said that it was. what am i missing? ed ray = ncaa. mark emmert = ncaa. ncaa atty = ncaa. |
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Post by ihs82 on May 19, 2014 12:47:18 GMT -5
is it possible that ray is not the person who's lying about the '2 option only' premise? mark scott tosu 81 who else would be lying? the chairman of the committee that empowered emmert to make the decision to punish penn state said the death penalty was not threatened to penn state. today, an ncaa attorney said that it was. what am i missing? ed ray = ncaa. mark emmert = ncaa. ncaa atty = ncaa. ncaa to rodney erickson: "sign this agreement and give us 60 million dollars or we are going to ruin the economy of central pennsylvania." here is the economic impact football has in central pennsylvania....http://econimpact.psu.edu/downloads/Penn_State_Football_2009_Economic_Impact.pdf 161 million dollars in 2009. yet somehow, the ncaa is arguing that penn state was not under any duress. |
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Post by mscott59 on May 19, 2014 16:07:57 GMT -5
who else would be lying? the chairman of the committee that empowered emmert to make the decision to punish penn state said the death penalty was not threatened to penn state. today, an ncaa attorney said that it was. what am i missing? ed ray = ncaa. mark emmert = ncaa. ncaa atty = ncaa. ncaa to rodney erickson: "sign this agreement and give us 60 million dollars or we are going to ruin the economy of central pennsylvania." here is the economic impact football has in central pennsylvania....http://econimpact.psu.edu/downloads/Penn_State_Football_2009_Economic_Impact.pdf 161 million dollars in 2009. yet somehow, the ncaa is arguing that penn state was not under any duress. note to ncaa... you're not allowed to punish wrong-doers (that's what psu admitted by accepting the terms), because it would deny overpriced tickets, parking, hot dogs, sodas, etc from being sold? is that really a part of your college athletic regulatory criteria?? it's ok to hammer usc because the socal economy doesn't depend on cfb, but spare psu because it means more to its area??? are you really thinking about what you're typing?  mark scott tosu 81 |
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Post by oujour76 on May 19, 2014 16:28:03 GMT -5
ncaa to rodney erickson: "sign this agreement and give us 60 million dollars or we are going to ruin the economy of central pennsylvania." here is the economic impact football has in central pennsylvania....http://econimpact.psu.edu/downloads/Penn_State_Football_2009_Economic_Impact.pdf 161 million dollars in 2009. yet somehow, the ncaa is arguing that penn state was not under any duress. note to ncaa... you're not allowed to punish wrong-doers (that's what psu admitted by accepting the terms), because it would deny overpriced tickets, parking, hot dogs, sodas, etc from being sold? is that really a part of your college athletic regulatory criteria?? it's ok to hammer usc because the socal economy doesn't depend on cfb, but spare psu because it means more to its area??? are you really thinking about what you're typing? mark scott tosu 81  |
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Post by ihs82 on May 19, 2014 16:35:06 GMT -5
ncaa to rodney erickson: "sign this agreement and give us 60 million dollars or we are going to ruin the economy of central pennsylvania." here is the economic impact football has in central pennsylvania....http://econimpact.psu.edu/downloads/Penn_State_Football_2009_Economic_Impact.pdf 161 million dollars in 2009. yet somehow, the ncaa is arguing that penn state was not under any duress. note to ncaa... you're not allowed to punish wrong-doers (that's what psu admitted by accepting the terms), because it would deny overpriced tickets, parking, hot dogs, sodas, etc from being sold? is that really a part of your college athletic regulatory criteria?? it's ok to hammer usc because the socal economy doesn't depend on cfb, but spare psu because it means more to its area??? are you really thinking about what you're typing? mark scott tosu 81 wanna compare usc to penn state? fine. by punishing penn state, the ncaa is saying child molestation cover up is about twice as bad as allowing a star player to be given impermissible benefits. makes sense? right? quantifying how much worse enabling child molestation is to getting free rent? psu punishment: 40 scholarships 4 year bowl ban usc punishment 30 scholarships 2 year bowl ban. |
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Post by ihs82 on May 19, 2014 16:48:53 GMT -5
note to ncaa... you're not allowed to punish wrong-doers (that's what psu admitted by accepting the terms), because it would deny overpriced tickets, parking, hot dogs, sodas, etc from being sold? is that really a part of your college athletic regulatory criteria?? it's ok to hammer usc because the socal economy doesn't depend on cfb, but spare psu because it means more to its area??? are you really thinking about what you're typing? mark scott tosu 81 wanna compare usc to penn state? fine. by punishing penn state, the ncaa is saying child molestation cover up is about twice as bad as allowing a star player to be given impermissible benefits. makes sense? right? quantifying how much worse enabling child molestation is to getting free rent? psu punishment: 40 scholarships 4 year bowl ban usc punishment 30 scholarships 2 year bowl ban. i'm also curious as to why the ncaa felt the need to lie? why did they deny that they threatened penn state with the death penalty unless they agreed to the consent decree? are you ok with the ncaa lying about this? |
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Post by lz2112 on May 19, 2014 17:48:35 GMT -5
wanna compare usc to penn state? fine. by punishing penn state, the ncaa is saying child molestation cover up is about twice as bad as allowing a star player to be given impermissible benefits. makes sense? right? quantifying how much worse enabling child molestation is to getting free rent? psu punishment: 40 scholarships 4 year bowl ban usc punishment 30 scholarships 2 year bowl ban. i'm also curious as to why the ncaa felt the need to lie? why did they deny that they threatened penn state with the death penalty unless they agreed to the consent decree? are you ok with the ncaa lying about this? I am shocked! SHOCKED that the NCAA would lie. |
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Post by oujour76 on May 19, 2014 19:47:46 GMT -5
i'm also curious as to why the ncaa felt the need to lie? why did they deny that they threatened penn state with the death penalty unless they agreed to the consent decree? are you ok with the ncaa lying about this? I am shocked! SHOCKED that the NCAA would lie. |
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Post by ihs82 on May 19, 2014 20:23:17 GMT -5
note to ncaa... you're not allowed to punish wrong-doers (that's what psu admitted by accepting the terms), because it would deny overpriced tickets, parking, hot dogs, sodas, etc from being sold? is that really a part of your college athletic regulatory criteria?? it's ok to hammer usc because the socal economy doesn't depend on cfb, but spare psu because it means more to its area??? are you really thinking about what you're typing? mark scott tosu 81 I just want to know how an organization goes from monitoring the amount of cream cheese a student athlete puts on their bagels to deciding who is complicit in a compex child molestation scandal. |
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Post by lz2112 on May 19, 2014 21:22:14 GMT -5
I like IHS, but on this particular subject he is a whack job. And I mean that in the best possible way. I just want to know how an organization goes from monitoring the amount of cream cheese a student athlete puts on their bagels to deciding who is complicit in a compex child molestation scandal. I want to know why an organization monitors the amount of cream cheese a student puts on a bagel. It's far more understandable they'd get involved in a child molestation coverup. |
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Post by daleko on May 19, 2014 21:47:28 GMT -5
note to ncaa... you're not allowed to punish wrong-doers (that's what psu admitted by accepting the terms), because it would deny overpriced tickets, parking, hot dogs, sodas, etc from being sold? is that really a part of your college athletic regulatory criteria?? it's ok to hammer usc because the socal economy doesn't depend on cfb, but spare psu because it means more to its area??? are you really thinking about what you're typing? mark scott tosu 81 wanna compare usc to penn state? fine. by punishing penn state, the ncaa is saying child molestation cover up is about twice as bad as allowing a star player to be given impermissible benefits. makes sense? right? quantifying how much worse enabling child molestation is to getting free rent? psu punishment: 40 scholarships 4 year bowl ban usc punishment 30 scholarships 2 year bowl ban.
I know we are on opposite sides of what each of us believes but based on what you typed, PSU got off easy. Complicit in child molestation V some free rent. Fortunately for PSU we are a Republic and not a Democracy. Had it been a Democracy the majority of America would have suggested "lynching" (the death penalty) for PSU.
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Post by mscott59 on May 20, 2014 7:43:55 GMT -5
note to ncaa... you're not allowed to punish wrong-doers (that's what psu admitted by accepting the terms), because it would deny overpriced tickets, parking, hot dogs, sodas, etc from being sold? is that really a part of your college athletic regulatory criteria?? it's ok to hammer usc because the socal economy doesn't depend on cfb, but spare psu because it means more to its area??? are you really thinking about what you're typing? mark scott tosu 81 wanna compare usc to penn state? fine. by punishing penn state, the ncaa is saying child molestation cover up is about twice as bad as allowing a star player to be given impermissible benefits. makes sense? right? quantifying how much worse enabling child molestation is to getting free rent? psu punishment: 40 scholarships 4 year bowl ban usc punishment 30 scholarships 2 year bowl ban. 1. ask 100 normal people walking down the street which one is worse. how many do you actually think will say 'free rent'? bad debating idea to walk down that path... 2. your original thread premise was that the ncaa was wrong in the extreme punishment of psu because central pa didn't deserve the economic effects. i repeat my question... is that how you want wrong doers sanctioned? based on how well their community could sustain the financial repercussions?? mark scott tosu 81 |
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Post by ihs82 on May 20, 2014 7:55:16 GMT -5
I just want to know how an organization goes from monitoring the amount of cream cheese a student athlete puts on their bagels to deciding who is complicit in a compex child molestation scandal. I want to know why an organization monitors the amount of cream cheese a student puts on a bagel. It's far more understandable they'd get involved in a child molestation coverup. i am not making up the bagel topping thing but i wish i was. the ncaa wouldn't allow schools to offer student athletes toppings on bagels until just a few years ago. the ncaa had to amend their rules to allow member institutions to offer butter, peanut butter, jelly and cream cheese at the request of the big east. sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/By-2012-cream-cheese-may-no-longer-be-an-NCAA-v?urn=ncaab-wp4181but my point being that the ncaa is not the ultimate arbiter on everything involving a participating school. it's a regulatory body for sports rules. they shouldn't be involved with the criminal activity of administrators. they piled on for pr purposes. |
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