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Nobody Cares That Penn State Got Railroaded by the NCAA


The world no longer cares whether Penn State University was wronged by the NCAA when, two years ago, the organization imposed crippling sanctions on the Nittany Lions football program.



So what’s come to light this week — that not only did the NCAA bluff Penn State into accepting the sanctions, but the chief “independent” investigator PSU hired to sort out the Jerry Sandusky scandal at the school was actually in bed with the NCAA all along — is almost irrelevant.


Nobody’s talking about it. ESPN.com had the latter item on its home page Wednesday for a little while. By night fall, the item had been moved to the NCAA football page, and buried down the list of items; even below the blockbuster scoop that the University of Michigan president apologized to his lousy football coach for making harsh statements about his team being loaded with lousy students.



Here’s what most people are comfortable in believing: Penn State was a pompous institution that deserved to be sawed off by the NCAA because its glorious football program was harboring and protecting a valuable assistant coach who just happened to be a predator, all for the sake of winning football games.



And what a load of astonishing malarkey.


I don’t have enough time to get into the chapters and verses that define the Jerry Sandusky scandal. Sandusky was a walking sickness, a pedophile who sexually abused children. The profile for that species is that they operate in covert, concealing their abhorrent behavior from everyone, even those who hover closely in their lives. The notion that Penn State officials, the head coach, and all assistant coaches, would all be permissive to Sandusky’s behavior had they known about it, just to win football games, is wholly ridiculous.



If you examine the timeline, rather than falling back on the perception that “Penn State bad,” it doesn’t even measure up. Sandusky was no longer a coach on the Nittany Lions staff when the episodes became actionable. If you want to believe that Penn State officials should have shut down his access to campus as part of his retirement package, you would not be wrong. If you’d like to believe that Joe Paterno should have seen to it that Sandusky was no longer allowed on campus, fine. But open your mind to anything else.



I’m a sports talk host, and also an attorney who teaches a course on Sports Law at St. Joseph’s University. The Penn State case occupies my class for at least three weeks of a term. From the jump, it was my position that the NCAA had no standing to issue the punishment they did — much less the so-called threat of a “death penalty” that would have shut down the football program — because the organization denied Penn State due process, a sacrosanct provision of the United States Constitution. The emails that just became public, revealing that the NCAA was trying to snare Penn State in a bluff, confirm that. Had Penn State decided to fight the NCAA’s punishments in court, they would have prevailed solidly.



So from whom was Penn State getting their legal advice, Saul Goodman from Breaking Bad?



At the time the Penn State scandal broke, the NCAA was reeling. It was being pilloried as a soft and useless organization in the face of academic and cheating scandals. And this was the chance to shoot their big gun.



In accepting the sanctions, maybe PSU president Rodney Erickson figured that any overt action to explore such legal channels would make it look like Penn State sanctioned child abuse. But he hung the school out to dry. And to boot, he brings in Louis Freeh, the former FBI director, with a mandate to find something wrong. Freeh did, to the tune of countless inaccuracies in his report and terribly faulty conclusions.



Sandusky went to jail. But what of Penn State?



The $60 million fine had to tear, at least temporarily, into the quality of education. What about the future students who had to turn away from a Penn State education because of collateral tuition increases? What of team members who had nothing to do with Jerry Sandusky, punished accordingly, and tainted for wearing the colors of “that scandal school.” What about the State College workers who had to be laid off because commerce during football season was down.



I know. You don’t care. You’ve already made up your mind.

[oujour76]

Nov 14, 2014 13:47:19 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

per www.phillymag.com/news/2014/11/14/nobody-cares-that-penn-state-got-railroaded-ncaa/


Nobody Cares That Penn State Got Railroaded by the NCAA


The world no longer cares whether Penn State University was wronged by the NCAA when, two years ago, the organization imposed crippling sanctions on the Nittany Lions football program.



So what’s come to light this week — that not only did the NCAA bluff Penn State into accepting the sanctions, but the chief “independent” investigator PSU hired to sort out the Jerry Sandusky scandal at the school was actually in bed with the NCAA all along — is almost irrelevant.


Nobody’s talking about it. ESPN.com had the latter item on its home page Wednesday for a little while. By night fall, the item had been moved to the NCAA football page, and buried down the list of items; even below the blockbuster scoop that the University of Michigan president apologized to his lousy football coach for making harsh statements about his team being loaded with lousy students.



Here’s what most people are comfortable in believing: Penn State was a pompous institution that deserved to be sawed off by the NCAA because its glorious football program was harboring and protecting a valuable assistant coach who just happened to be a predator, all for the sake of winning football games.



And what a load of astonishing malarkey.


I don’t have enough time to get into the chapters and verses that define the Jerry Sandusky scandal. Sandusky was a walking sickness, a pedophile who sexually abused children. The profile for that species is that they operate in covert, concealing their abhorrent behavior from everyone, even those who hover closely in their lives. The notion that Penn State officials, the head coach, and all assistant coaches, would all be permissive to Sandusky’s behavior had they known about it, just to win football games, is wholly ridiculous.



If you examine the timeline, rather than falling back on the perception that “Penn State bad,” it doesn’t even measure up. Sandusky was no longer a coach on the Nittany Lions staff when the episodes became actionable. If you want to believe that Penn State officials should have shut down his access to campus as part of his retirement package, you would not be wrong. If you’d like to believe that Joe Paterno should have seen to it that Sandusky was no longer allowed on campus, fine. But open your mind to anything else.



I’m a sports talk host, and also an attorney who teaches a course on Sports Law at St. Joseph’s University. The Penn State case occupies my class for at least three weeks of a term. From the jump, it was my position that the NCAA had no standing to issue the punishment they did — much less the so-called threat of a “death penalty” that would have shut down the football program — because the organization denied Penn State due process, a sacrosanct provision of the United States Constitution. The emails that just became public, revealing that the NCAA was trying to snare Penn State in a bluff, confirm that. Had Penn State decided to fight the NCAA’s punishments in court, they would have prevailed solidly.



So from whom was Penn State getting their legal advice, Saul Goodman from Breaking Bad?



At the time the Penn State scandal broke, the NCAA was reeling. It was being pilloried as a soft and useless organization in the face of academic and cheating scandals. And this was the chance to shoot their big gun.



In accepting the sanctions, maybe PSU president Rodney Erickson figured that any overt action to explore such legal channels would make it look like Penn State sanctioned child abuse. But he hung the school out to dry. And to boot, he brings in Louis Freeh, the former FBI director, with a mandate to find something wrong. Freeh did, to the tune of countless inaccuracies in his report and terribly faulty conclusions.



Sandusky went to jail. But what of Penn State?



The $60 million fine had to tear, at least temporarily, into the quality of education. What about the future students who had to turn away from a Penn State education because of collateral tuition increases? What of team members who had nothing to do with Jerry Sandusky, punished accordingly, and tainted for wearing the colors of “that scandal school.” What about the State College workers who had to be laid off because commerce during football season was down.



I know. You don’t care. You’ve already made up your mind.

The reason I don't care all that much is because this is, for the most part, a self-imposed injury. Penn State is a large, well funded institution. They had the means to fight and for whatever reason, the BOT chose not to do so. I can't stand the NCAA, but this poor, pitiful me routine from PSU is way off base imo.

[mscott59]

Nov 14, 2014 13:47:19 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

per www.phillymag.com/news/2014/11/14/nobody-cares-that-penn-state-got-railroaded-ncaa/


Nobody Cares That Penn State Got Railroaded by the NCAA


The world no longer cares whether Penn State University was wronged by the NCAA when, two years ago, the organization imposed crippling sanctions on the Nittany Lions football program.



So what’s come to light this week — that not only did the NCAA bluff Penn State into accepting the sanctions, but the chief “independent” investigator PSU hired to sort out the Jerry Sandusky scandal at the school was actually in bed with the NCAA all along — is almost irrelevant.


Nobody’s talking about it. ESPN.com had the latter item on its home page Wednesday for a little while. By night fall, the item had been moved to the NCAA football page, and buried down the list of items; even below the blockbuster scoop that the University of Michigan president apologized to his lousy football coach for making harsh statements about his team being loaded with lousy students.



Here’s what most people are comfortable in believing: Penn State was a pompous institution that deserved to be sawed off by the NCAA because its glorious football program was harboring and protecting a valuable assistant coach who just happened to be a predator, all for the sake of winning football games.



And what a load of astonishing malarkey.


I don’t have enough time to get into the chapters and verses that define the Jerry Sandusky scandal. Sandusky was a walking sickness, a pedophile who sexually abused children. The profile for that species is that they operate in covert, concealing their abhorrent behavior from everyone, even those who hover closely in their lives. The notion that Penn State officials, the head coach, and all assistant coaches, would all be permissive to Sandusky’s behavior had they known about it, just to win football games, is wholly ridiculous.really? apparently the internal psu emails don't mean as much to this guy as the internal ncaa emails.



If you examine the timeline, rather than falling back on the perception that “Penn State bad,” it doesn’t even measure up. Sandusky was no longer a coach on the Nittany Lions staff when the episodes became actionable. If you want to believe that Penn State officials should have shut down his access to campus as part of his retirement package, you would not be wrong. If you’d like to believe that Joe Paterno should have seen to it that Sandusky was no longer allowed on campus, fine. But open your mind to anything else.

i think the two sentences above, and the lack of prominence those statements have in this article, are the main reason why, in general, that the majority of the country isn't up in arms about the ncaa possibly overstepping its bounds. dozens and dozens of paragraphs about how psu was wronged... just 50 words on the core reason of why this happened in the first place. which many of us have been saying from the beginning, even those who agree that the ncaa went too far.



I’m a sports talk host, and also an attorney who teaches a course on Sports Law at St. Joseph’s University. The Penn State case occupies my class for at least three weeks of a term. From the jump, it was my position that the NCAA had no standing to issue the punishment they did — much less the so-called threat of a “death penalty” that would have shut down the football program — because the organization denied Penn State due process, a sacrosanct provision of the United States Constitution. The emails that just became public, revealing that the NCAA was trying to snare Penn State in a bluff, confirm that. Had Penn State decided to fight the NCAA’s punishments in court, they would have prevailed solidly.

and this is point #2 of why the country is shrugging its shoulders at this. PSU AGREED TO EVERYTHING THE NCAA HANDED DOWN!! they could have fought... there was time to consider that. an injunction to keep the death penalty from coming down til after this might have been decided in court was almost guaranteed. but psu execs felt the way to go was the way the ncaa showed. to say 2 or 3 years later 'we were duped' when they put their signature on the deal? sorry.



So from whom was Penn State getting their legal advice, Saul Goodman from Breaking Bad?



At the time the Penn State scandal broke, the NCAA was reeling. It was being pilloried as a soft and useless organization in the face of academic and cheating scandals. And this was the chance to shoot their big gun.



In accepting the sanctions, maybe PSU president Rodney Erickson figured that any overt action to explore such legal channels would make it look like Penn State sanctioned child abuse. But he hung the school out to dry. And to boot, he brings in Louis Freeh, the former FBI director, with a mandate to find something wrong. Freeh did, to the tune of countless inaccuracies in his report and terribly faulty conclusions.



Sandusky went to jail. But what of Penn State?



The $60 million fine had to tear, at least temporarily, into the quality of education. really? has there been some kind of study on this as the effect of the sandusky saga/ncaa sanctions on psu academics? or is this guy just tossing gasoline to make his argument stand out more? What about the future students who had to turn away from a Penn State education because of collateral tuition increases? see aboveWhat of team members who had nothing to do with Jerry Sandusky, punished accordingly, and tainted for wearing the colors of “that scandal school.”this i agree with. the players' experience, especially the post-season bans, were horrible in terms of collateral damage. What about the State College workers who had to be laid off because commerce during football season was down.this makes me laugh. this guy is blaming the ncaa because 'loyal' psu fans stayed away in droves from games in the aftermath of the ruling? they weren't forced to not continue to buy tickets to support the football program. ridiculous.



I know. You don’t care. You’ve already made up your mind. i care. about the kids whose lives were indelibly altered by sandusky.

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Nov 14, 2014 14:20:31 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Nov 14, 2014 13:47:19 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

per www.phillymag.com/news/2014/11/14/nobody-cares-that-penn-state-got-railroaded-ncaa/


Nobody Cares That Penn State Got Railroaded by the NCAA


The world no longer cares whether Penn State University was wronged by the NCAA when, two years ago, the organization imposed crippling sanctions on the Nittany Lions football program.



So what’s come to light this week — that not only did the NCAA bluff Penn State into accepting the sanctions, but the chief “independent” investigator PSU hired to sort out the Jerry Sandusky scandal at the school was actually in bed with the NCAA all along — is almost irrelevant.


Nobody’s talking about it. ESPN.com had the latter item on its home page Wednesday for a little while. By night fall, the item had been moved to the NCAA football page, and buried down the list of items; even below the blockbuster scoop that the University of Michigan president apologized to his lousy football coach for making harsh statements about his team being loaded with lousy students.



Here’s what most people are comfortable in believing: Penn State was a pompous institution that deserved to be sawed off by the NCAA because its glorious football program was harboring and protecting a valuable assistant coach who just happened to be a predator, all for the sake of winning football games.



And what a load of astonishing malarkey.


I don’t have enough time to get into the chapters and verses that define the Jerry Sandusky scandal. Sandusky was a walking sickness, a pedophile who sexually abused children. The profile for that species is that they operate in covert, concealing their abhorrent behavior from everyone, even those who hover closely in their lives. The notion that Penn State officials, the head coach, and all assistant coaches, would all be permissive to Sandusky’s behavior had they known about it, just to win football games, is wholly ridiculous.



If you examine the timeline, rather than falling back on the perception that “Penn State bad,” it doesn’t even measure up. Sandusky was no longer a coach on the Nittany Lions staff when the episodes became actionable. If you want to believe that Penn State officials should have shut down his access to campus as part of his retirement package, you would not be wrong. If you’d like to believe that Joe Paterno should have seen to it that Sandusky was no longer allowed on campus, fine. But open your mind to anything else.



I’m a sports talk host, and also an attorney who teaches a course on Sports Law at St. Joseph’s University. The Penn State case occupies my class for at least three weeks of a term. From the jump, it was my position that the NCAA had no standing to issue the punishment they did — much less the so-called threat of a “death penalty” that would have shut down the football program — because the organization denied Penn State due process, a sacrosanct provision of the United States Constitution. The emails that just became public, revealing that the NCAA was trying to snare Penn State in a bluff, confirm that. Had Penn State decided to fight the NCAA’s punishments in court, they would have prevailed solidly.



So from whom was Penn State getting their legal advice, Saul Goodman from Breaking Bad?



At the time the Penn State scandal broke, the NCAA was reeling. It was being pilloried as a soft and useless organization in the face of academic and cheating scandals. And this was the chance to shoot their big gun.



In accepting the sanctions, maybe PSU president Rodney Erickson figured that any overt action to explore such legal channels would make it look like Penn State sanctioned child abuse. But he hung the school out to dry. And to boot, he brings in Louis Freeh, the former FBI director, with a mandate to find something wrong. Freeh did, to the tune of countless inaccuracies in his report and terribly faulty conclusions.



Sandusky went to jail. But what of Penn State?



The $60 million fine had to tear, at least temporarily, into the quality of education. What about the future students who had to turn away from a Penn State education because of collateral tuition increases? What of team members who had nothing to do with Jerry Sandusky, punished accordingly, and tainted for wearing the colors of “that scandal school.” What about the State College workers who had to be laid off because commerce during football season was down.



I know. You don’t care. You’ve already made up your mind.

The reason I don't care all that much is because this is, for the most part, a self-imposed injury. Penn State is a large, well funded institution. They had the means to fight and for whatever reason, the BOT chose not to do so. I can't stand the NCAA, but this poor, pitiful me routine from PSU is way off base imo.

the thing is...the bot wasn't informed of the consent decree until it was already signed.  it was agreed to by a small handful of bot member and outside legal council.   president erickson said he wasn't allowed to tell others in the bot about the deal or else the offer would be off the table.  

and the fact that the ncaa meddled with freeh's investigation should be bothersome to everyone.  

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Nov 14, 2014 14:21:28 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Nov 14, 2014 13:47:19 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

per www.phillymag.com/news/2014/11/14/nobody-cares-that-penn-state-got-railroaded-ncaa/


Nobody Cares That Penn State Got Railroaded by the NCAA


The world no longer cares whether Penn State University was wronged by the NCAA when, two years ago, the organization imposed crippling sanctions on the Nittany Lions football program.



So what’s come to light this week — that not only did the NCAA bluff Penn State into accepting the sanctions, but the chief “independent” investigator PSU hired to sort out the Jerry Sandusky scandal at the school was actually in bed with the NCAA all along — is almost irrelevant.


Nobody’s talking about it. ESPN.com had the latter item on its home page Wednesday for a little while. By night fall, the item had been moved to the NCAA football page, and buried down the list of items; even below the blockbuster scoop that the University of Michigan president apologized to his lousy football coach for making harsh statements about his team being loaded with lousy students.



Here’s what most people are comfortable in believing: Penn State was a pompous institution that deserved to be sawed off by the NCAA because its glorious football program was harboring and protecting a valuable assistant coach who just happened to be a predator, all for the sake of winning football games.



And what a load of astonishing malarkey.


I don’t have enough time to get into the chapters and verses that define the Jerry Sandusky scandal. Sandusky was a walking sickness, a pedophile who sexually abused children. The profile for that species is that they operate in covert, concealing their abhorrent behavior from everyone, even those who hover closely in their lives. The notion that Penn State officials, the head coach, and all assistant coaches, would all be permissive to Sandusky’s behavior had they known about it, just to win football games, is wholly ridiculous.really? apparently the internal psu emails don't mean as much to this guy as the internal ncaa emails.

There are no internal e-mails that have been publically released that prove the motive you are claiming.  The premise that Paterno among others concealed Sanduskys behavior simply to win football games is 100% made up.  You can easily make the claim that it could had been handled better, but to claim that everyone turned their heads just to win football games is utterly baseless.  


If you examine the timeline, rather than falling back on the perception that “Penn State bad,” it doesn’t even measure up. Sandusky was no longer a coach on the Nittany Lions staff when the episodes became actionable. If you want to believe that Penn State officials should have shut down his access to campus as part of his retirement package, you would not be wrong. If you’d like to believe that Joe Paterno should have seen to it that Sandusky was no longer allowed on campus, fine. But open your mind to anything else.

i think the two sentences above, and the lack of prominence those statements have in this article, are the main reason why, in general, that the majority of the country isn't up in arms about the ncaa possibly overstepping its bounds. dozens and dozens of paragraphs about how psu was wronged... just 50 words on the core reason of why this happened in the first place. which many of us have been saying from the beginning, even those who agree that the ncaa went too far.

I disagree.  The author was clear in his opinion that Sandusky got away with his crimes all those years b/c of the covert, secretive and manupulative nature of a pedophile.  Yes, PSU administrators could have handled things differently.  But that's not why he got away with what he did.   



I’m a sports talk host, and also an attorney who teaches a course on Sports Law at St. Joseph’s University. The Penn State case occupies my class for at least three weeks of a term. From the jump, it was my position that the NCAA had no standing to issue the punishment they did — much less the so-called threat of a “death penalty” that would have shut down the football program — because the organization denied Penn State due process, a sacrosanct provision of the United States Constitution. The emails that just became public, revealing that the NCAA was trying to snare Penn State in a bluff, confirm that. Had Penn State decided to fight the NCAA’s punishments in court, they would have prevailed solidly.

and this is point #2 of why the country is shrugging its shoulders at this. PSU AGREED TO EVERYTHING THE NCAA HANDED DOWN!! they could have fought... there was time to consider that. an native Americanction to keep the death penalty from coming down til after this might have been decided in court was almost guaranteed. but psu execs felt the way to go was the way the ncaa showed. to say 2 or 3 years later 'we were duped' when they put their signature on the deal? sorry.

PSU didn't agree with everything.  The president of the university, along with a small handful of other trustees agreed to it.  The vast majority of everyone else disagreed.  And, of course, we are having a trial shortly to see if those small handful of trustees agreed under duress or not.   Perhaps we should hold off judgement on who is/isn't accountable for the consent decree until all the players involve testify about what exactly happened.  



So from whom was Penn State getting their legal advice, Saul Goodman from Breaking Bad?



At the time the Penn State scandal broke, the NCAA was reeling. It was being pilloried as a soft and useless organization in the face of academic and cheating scandals. And this was the chance to shoot their big gun.



In accepting the sanctions, maybe PSU president Rodney Erickson figured that any overt action to explore such legal channels would make it look like Penn State sanctioned child abuse. But he hung the school out to dry. And to boot, he brings in Louis Freeh, the former FBI director, with a mandate to find something wrong. Freeh did, to the tune of countless inaccuracies in his report and terribly faulty conclusions.



Sandusky went to jail. But what of Penn State?



The $60 million fine had to tear, at least temporarily, into the quality of education. really? has there been some kind of study on this as the effect of the sandusky saga/ncaa sanctions on psu academics? or is this guy just tossing gasoline to make his argument stand out more? What about the future students who had to turn away from a Penn State education because of collateral tuition increases? see aboveWhat of team members who had nothing to do with Jerry Sandusky, punished accordingly, and tainted for wearing the colors of “that scandal school.”this i agree with. the players' experience, especially the post-season bans, were horrible in terms of collateral damage. What about the State College workers who had to be laid off because commerce during football season was down.this makes me laugh. this guy is blaming the ncaa because 'loyal' psu fans stayed away in droves from games in the aftermath of the ruling? they weren't forced to not continue to buy tickets to support the football program. ridiculous.

I agree that impact of the fine can't be directly proven.   


I know. You don’t care. You’ve already made up your mind. i care. about the kids whose lives were indelibly altered by sandusky.


 Are you suggesting that opposing how the NCAA handled PSU is synonymous with supporting pedophilia?