did psu really face death penalty?

[snap infraction]

Jan 30, 2015 13:19:58 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Jan 30, 2015 11:19:41 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

the grand jury presentment doomed paterno when it falsely stated he received a report of a child being raped.  the court of public opinion went against paterno at that point.  the psu leadership then sort of fed the growing hysteria with their decision to cancel paterno's press conference a few days after the indictments were announced and then really poured gas on the fire when they unceremoniously fired paterno.  psu leadership had a small window to fight bak against the narrative.  instead they chose to perpetuate it.  

as for the ncaa surrendering...the decision the punish penn state through it's executive committee instead of it's enforcement committee was the most controversial enforcement decision ever made by the ncaa.  even the president of the united states commented on it when it happened.  they staunchly defended.  mark emmert and ed ray went on a media tour where they visited every major media outlet in the week following their decision.  how the hell could they just go back on all of that simply b/c of monetary reasons?

the  pa politicians was playing poker with 4 of a kind and the ncaa had a 9 as their high card. and the ncaa was no longer dealing with horrible poker players that they could bluff.   that's why the ncaa folded.  
 

Lawsuits (usually) settle when it becomes cheaper for both to do so rather than continue. If PA was holding 4-of-a-kind why did they settle?

the goal of the PA polticians was to  keep the fine money in PA and overturn the consent decree.  why spend taxpayer money on continuing a fight that the opponent already conceded?  

disclosing the full truthwas the objective of the paterno's.  that's why they are still suing.  

[oujour76]

Jan 30, 2015 14:17:29 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

Jan 30, 2015 13:19:58 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Lawsuits (usually) settle when it becomes cheaper for both to do so rather than continue. If PA was holding 4-of-a-kind why did they settle?

the goal of the PA polticians was to  keep the fine money in PA and overturn the consent decree.  why spend taxpayer money on continuing a fight that the opponent already conceded?  

disclosing the full truthwas the objective of the paterno's.  that's why they are still suing.  

Both sides could have fought this lawsuit forever. If you don't understand that, you don't understand anything about the legal system. And after the settlement, did you notice that both sides proclaimed victory?

One thing you fail to mention is that Penn State also formally acknowledged the NCAA's "legitimate" interest and good faith concern in the Sandusky matter.

So, at the end of the day Pennsylvania's politicians get control of a $60 million child abuse funded paid for by Penn State. Joe Paterno gets his wins back, which was the overriding goal all along BTW. And the NCAA still maintains their authority to act as they choose down the road.

[snap infraction]

Jan 30, 2015 15:18:34 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Jan 30, 2015 14:17:29 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

the goal of the PA polticians was to  keep the fine money in PA and overturn the consent decree.  why spend taxpayer money on continuing a fight that the opponent already conceded?  

disclosing the full truthwas the objective of the paterno's.  that's why they are still suing.  

Both sides could have fought this lawsuit forever. If you don't understand that, you don't understand anything about the legal system. And after the settlement, did you notice that both sides proclaimed victory?

One thing you fail to mention is that Penn State also formally acknowledged the NCAA's "legitimate" interest and good faith concern in the Sandusky matter.

So, at the end of the day Pennsylvania's politicians get control of a $60 million child abuse funded paid for by Penn State. Joe Paterno gets his wins back, which was the overriding goal all along BTW. And the NCAA still maintains their authority to act as they choose down the road.

it didn't matter that they could have fought the lawsuits forever...the judge presiding over the case was on the brink of releasing to the public about 1500 documents that the ncaa fought to keep classifed under attorney client privilege.   the length of the case means nothing compared to that information that ncaa wanted to conceal.  

of course the ncaa attempted to spin the results of the settlement.  this whole time, they spun any challenge to their authority as lacking empathy for child abuse victims.  their entire pr strategy was to deflect away from what they did and redirect using the suffering of the victims to distract.   i didn't expect the ncaa to flat out say "we fucked up, our bad."  

and fwiw, the goal was to keep the money in state,not getpaterno his wins.  if you followed the lawsuit, you would see that the ncaa could have avoided this whole thing had they simply agreed to keep the fine money in state from the get go.  it was the commonwealth judge who asked to review the consent decree after the ncaa refused to give up on their quest to spend the fine money as they see fit. 

[oujour76]

Jan 30, 2015 16:26:42 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

Jan 30, 2015 15:18:34 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Both sides could have fought this lawsuit forever. If you don't understand that, you don't understand anything about the legal system. And after the settlement, did you notice that both sides proclaimed victory?

One thing you fail to mention is that Penn State also formally acknowledged the NCAA's "legitimate" interest and good faith concern in the Sandusky matter.

So, at the end of the day Pennsylvania's politicians get control of a $60 million child abuse funded paid for by Penn State. Joe Paterno gets his wins back, which was the overriding goal all along BTW. And the NCAA still maintains their authority to act as they choose down the road.

it didn't matter that they could have fought the lawsuits forever...the judge presiding over the case was on the brink of releasing to the public about 1500 documents that the ncaa fought to keep classifed under attorney client privilege.   the length of the case means nothing compared to that information that ncaa wanted to conceal.  

of course the ncaa attempted to spin the results of the settlement.  this whole time, they spun any challenge to their authority as lacking empathy for child abuse victims.  their entire pr strategy was to deflect away from what they did and redirect using the suffering of the victims to distract.   i didn't expect the ncaa to flat out say "we fucked up, our bad."  

and fwiw, the goal was to keep the money in state,not getpaterno his wins.  if you followed the lawsuit, you would see that the ncaa could have avoided this whole thing had they simply agreed to keep the fine money in state from the get go.  it was the commonwealth judge who asked to review the consent decree after the ncaa refused to give up on their quest to spend the fine money as they see fit. 

That's not exactly true. Early on, the NCAA did question the validity of the endowment law and lost their argument. After that though, I'm pretty sure that the NCAA with Penn State's support BTW, agreed to keep the money in state and both sought to get the case dismissed. The judge said no because she said she wished to review the validity of the consent decree....which I don't think ever happened because of the later settlement between the parties.

[mscott59]

Jan 30, 2015 14:13:29 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

Jan 30, 2015 11:51:49 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

wow.

i'd like to think this is everyone's reaction to reading that post:

i.imgur.com/JrVjz.gif

Lmao. I guess you don't know the definition of 'wow' either.

[daleko]

Jan 30, 2015 21:41:56 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Jan 30, 2015 14:13:29 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

i'd like to think this is everyone's reaction to reading that post:

i.imgur.com/JrVjz.gif

Lmao. I guess you don't know the definition of 'wow' either.

Delusional comes to mind when it involves IHS.

[daleko]

Jan 30, 2015 15:18:34 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Joe Paterno's fans gets his their wins back, which was their overriding goal all along BTW. And the NCAA still maintains their authority to act as they choose down the road.

[snap infraction]

Jan 30, 2015 16:56:44 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Jan 30, 2015 16:26:42 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

it didn't matter that they could have fought the lawsuits forever...the judge presiding over the case was on the brink of releasing to the public about 1500 documents that the ncaa fought to keep classifed under attorney client privilege.   the length of the case means nothing compared to that information that ncaa wanted to conceal.  

of course the ncaa attempted to spin the results of the settlement.  this whole time, they spun any challenge to their authority as lacking empathy for child abuse victims.  their entire pr strategy was to deflect away from what they did and redirect using the suffering of the victims to distract.   i didn't expect the ncaa to flat out say "we fucked up, our bad."  

and fwiw, the goal was to keep the money in state,not getpaterno his wins.  if you followed the lawsuit, you would see that the ncaa could have avoided this whole thing had they simply agreed to keep the fine money in state from the get go.  it was the commonwealth judge who asked to review the consent decree after the ncaa refused to give up on their quest to spend the fine money as they see fit. 

That's not exactly true. Early on, the NCAA did question the validity of the endowment law and lost their argument. After that though, I'm pretty sure that the NCAA with Penn State's support BTW, agreed to keep the money in state and both sought to get the case dismissed. The judge said no because she said she wished to review the validity of the consent decree....which I don't think ever happened because of the later settlement between the parties.

here's a pretty good article about it....http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/31/how-penn-state-beat-the-sandusky-rap.html

my original point remains...the lawsuit wasn't about the wins...it was about the fine money.