Clemson v FSU

[AlaCowboy]

Really bad officiating in this game against both teams. Holds, PIs,, etc., not called.

[trnyerheadncough]

Agreed. Some egregious calls made and not made that affected the outcome of the game.

[Deleted]

That's ACC refs. Have they ever been any good? From my watching experience, I say no.

[Deleted]

Dumbo goes off on ACC refs - Big fine to follow

Karma is a bitch after you lose at home and you know you've been robbed.

November 29, 2003; The Swindle In The Swamp; FSU 38 UF 34
October 29, 2016; The Swindle On Ron Zook Field; Clemson 37 FSU 34

The only thing is that I saw a couple of very questionable pass interference calls against Clemson that extended FSU drives and the refs did nothing to aid Clemson's game winning drive or Clemson's late stop to win the game. The game winning drive argument worked in 2003 so it works in 2016 too. Again, karma is a bitch after you lose at home when you know you've been robbed:


New
Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher says he doesn't care if he gets fined, but there were some things he wanted to speak on regarding the officiating in Saturday night's 37-34 loss to Clemson.
The lead changed hands three times in the final quarter of another instant classic between the ACC Atlantic rivals. Penalties had a huge impact on the game, a sign of miscues in a huge game and some judgement calls by the officials that are getting questioned on Sunday morning. Jimbo Fisher was riding the officials throughout the second half, but after the game, he said a chop block penalty that brought back a 50-yard run by Dalvin Cook was not only wrong, but caused a huge swing in momentum in the game.
"It's ridiculous, it's not a chop, it was not a chop. And I'm going to tell you what, you hold coaches accountable, players accountable, hold the damn officials accountable. It's garbage. And then to call another penalty on the sideline is even more garbage. It's cowardly, it's gutless, and wrong," Fisher told reporters after the game.
"Now they can take it, fine it, do whatever they want to do with it, that's a fact. Look at the film. It's ridiculous that they do it. That was a huge call in the game. Now, [we] still had chances to win the game after that. That's ridiculous and the guy wasn't even in position to make it and plus it was 10 yards down the field so the penalty should have been marked from there, not from the line of scrimmage ..."

www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ficials-after-florida-states-loss-to-clemson/
www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...officials-clemson-penalty-20161029-story.html

[cbisbig]

Oct 30, 2016 9:29:48 GMT -5 ETGator1 said:

Dumbo goes off on ACC refs - Big fine to follow

Karma is a bitch after you lose at home and you know you've been robbed.

November 29, 2003; The Swindle In The Swamp; FSU 38 UF 34
October 29, 2016; The Swindle On Ron Zook Field; Clemson 37 FSU 34

The only thing is that I saw a couple of very questionable pass interference calls against Clemson that extended FSU drives and the refs did nothing to aid Clemson's game winning drive or Clemson's late stop to win the game. The game winning drive argument worked in 2003 so it works in 2016 too. Again, karma is a bitch after you lose at home when you know you've been robbed:


New
Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher says he doesn't care if he gets fined, but there were some things he wanted to speak on regarding the officiating in Saturday night's 37-34 loss to Clemson.
The lead changed hands three times in the final quarter of another instant classic between the ACC Atlantic rivals. Penalties had a huge impact on the game, a sign of miscues in a huge game and some judgement calls by the officials that are getting questioned on Sunday morning. Jimbo Fisher was riding the officials throughout the second half, but after the game, he said a chop block penalty that brought back a 50-yard run by Dalvin Cook was not only wrong, but caused a huge swing in momentum in the game.
"It's ridiculous, it's not a chop, it was not a chop. And I'm going to tell you what, you hold coaches accountable, players accountable, hold the damn officials accountable. It's garbage. And then to call another penalty on the sideline is even more garbage. It's cowardly, it's gutless, and wrong," Fisher told reporters after the game.
"Now they can take it, fine it, do whatever they want to do with it, that's a fact. Look at the film. It's ridiculous that they do it. That was a huge call in the game. Now, [we] still had chances to win the game after that. That's ridiculous and the guy wasn't even in position to make it and plus it was 10 yards down the field so the penalty should have been marked from there, not from the line of scrimmage ..."

www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ficials-after-florida-states-loss-to-clemson/
www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...officials-clemson-penalty-20161029-story.html

Its good to see Fisher take a stand against poor officiating, there's plenty happening in the SEC as well. Some of these guys seem too old to be out there in the first place and with the speed of the game I don't see how they can be in position 100% of the time or even 85% for that matter. There should be an age limit on these officials, if there is, they should lower it to around 55. If more coaches would make a stand on lousy officiating maybe some changes would ensue

[AlaCowboy]

Oct 30, 2016 9:29:48 GMT -5 ETGator1 said:

Dumbo goes off on ACC refs - Big fine to follow

Karma is a bitch after you lose at home and you know you've been robbed.

November 29, 2003; The Swindle In The Swamp; FSU 38 UF 34
October 29, 2016; The Swindle On Ron Zook Field; Clemson 37 FSU 34

The only thing is that I saw a couple of very questionable pass interference calls against Clemson that extended FSU drives and the refs did nothing to aid Clemson's game winning drive or Clemson's late stop to win the game. The game winning drive argument worked in 2003 so it works in 2016 too. Again, karma is a bitch after you lose at home when you know you've been robbed:


New
Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher says he doesn't care if he gets fined, but there were some things he wanted to speak on regarding the officiating in Saturday night's 37-34 loss to Clemson.
The lead changed hands three times in the final quarter of another instant classic between the ACC Atlantic rivals. Penalties had a huge impact on the game, a sign of miscues in a huge game and some judgement calls by the officials that are getting questioned on Sunday morning. Jimbo Fisher was riding the officials throughout the second half, but after the game, he said a chop block penalty that brought back a 50-yard run by Dalvin Cook was not only wrong, but caused a huge swing in momentum in the game.
"It's ridiculous, it's not a chop, it was not a chop. And I'm going to tell you what, you hold coaches accountable, players accountable, hold the damn officials accountable. It's garbage. And then to call another penalty on the sideline is even more garbage. It's cowardly, it's gutless, and wrong," Fisher told reporters after the game.
"Now they can take it, fine it, do whatever they want to do with it, that's a fact. Look at the film. It's ridiculous that they do it. That was a huge call in the game. Now, [we] still had chances to win the game after that. That's ridiculous and the guy wasn't even in position to make it and plus it was 10 yards down the field so the penalty should have been marked from there, not from the line of scrimmage ..."

www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ficials-after-florida-states-loss-to-clemson/
www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...officials-clemson-penalty-20161029-story.html

I hope Jimbo doesn't forget to mention that FSU player that grabbed Watson's face mask on that 4th quarter "sack" Jimbo was so excited about.

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Oct 30, 2016 9:38:56 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Oct 30, 2016 9:29:48 GMT -5 ETGator1 said:

Dumbo goes off on ACC refs - Big fine to follow

Karma is a bitch after you lose at home and you know you've been robbed.

November 29, 2003; The Swindle In The Swamp; FSU 38 UF 34
October 29, 2016; The Swindle On Ron Zook Field; Clemson 37 FSU 34

The only thing is that I saw a couple of very questionable pass interference calls against Clemson that extended FSU drives and the refs did nothing to aid Clemson's game winning drive or Clemson's late stop to win the game. The game winning drive argument worked in 2003 so it works in 2016 too. Again, karma is a bitch after you lose at home when you know you've been robbed:


New
Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher says he doesn't care if he gets fined, but there were some things he wanted to speak on regarding the officiating in Saturday night's 37-34 loss to Clemson.
The lead changed hands three times in the final quarter of another instant classic between the ACC Atlantic rivals. Penalties had a huge impact on the game, a sign of miscues in a huge game and some judgement calls by the officials that are getting questioned on Sunday morning. Jimbo Fisher was riding the officials throughout the second half, but after the game, he said a chop block penalty that brought back a 50-yard run by Dalvin Cook was not only wrong, but caused a huge swing in momentum in the game.
"It's ridiculous, it's not a chop, it was not a chop. And I'm going to tell you what, you hold coaches accountable, players accountable, hold the damn officials accountable. It's garbage. And then to call another penalty on the sideline is even more garbage. It's cowardly, it's gutless, and wrong," Fisher told reporters after the game.
"Now they can take it, fine it, do whatever they want to do with it, that's a fact. Look at the film. It's ridiculous that they do it. That was a huge call in the game. Now, [we] still had chances to win the game after that. That's ridiculous and the guy wasn't even in position to make it and plus it was 10 yards down the field so the penalty should have been marked from there, not from the line of scrimmage ..."

www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ficials-after-florida-states-loss-to-clemson/
www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...officials-clemson-penalty-20161029-story.html

Its good to see Fisher take a stand against poor officiating, there's plenty happening in the SEC as well. Some of these guys seem too old to be out there in the first place and with the speed of the game I don't see how they can be in position 100% of the time or even 85% for that matter. There should be an age limit on these officials, if there is, they should lower it to around 55. If more coaches would make a stand on lousy officiating maybe some changes would ensue

So says a fan of the most favored team by the refs in the SEC. You don't have a clue what it means to come up on the short end of the stick with refs.

Insofar as what Dumbo did, it's bush league. All of this should have been handled in private between FSU and the supervisor of ACC refs/ACC commish. Airing dirty laundry in public is a no no. Dumbo will get a hefty fine. To top it off, look for the ACC refs to give NC State a couple of home field no calls next week. Dumbo's actions are a good prescription for turning a 3 loss team into a 4 loss team.

[trnyerheadncough]

Oct 30, 2016 9:45:33 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Oct 30, 2016 9:29:48 GMT -5 ETGator1 said:

Dumbo goes off on ACC refs - Big fine to follow

Karma is a bitch after you lose at home and you know you've been robbed.

November 29, 2003; The Swindle In The Swamp; FSU 38 UF 34
October 29, 2016; The Swindle On Ron Zook Field; Clemson 37 FSU 34

The only thing is that I saw a couple of very questionable pass interference calls against Clemson that extended FSU drives and the refs did nothing to aid Clemson's game winning drive or Clemson's late stop to win the game. The game winning drive argument worked in 2003 so it works in 2016 too. Again, karma is a bitch after you lose at home when you know you've been robbed:


New
Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher says he doesn't care if he gets fined, but there were some things he wanted to speak on regarding the officiating in Saturday night's 37-34 loss to Clemson.
The lead changed hands three times in the final quarter of another instant classic between the ACC Atlantic rivals. Penalties had a huge impact on the game, a sign of miscues in a huge game and some judgement calls by the officials that are getting questioned on Sunday morning. Jimbo Fisher was riding the officials throughout the second half, but after the game, he said a chop block penalty that brought back a 50-yard run by Dalvin Cook was not only wrong, but caused a huge swing in momentum in the game.
"It's ridiculous, it's not a chop, it was not a chop. And I'm going to tell you what, you hold coaches accountable, players accountable, hold the damn officials accountable. It's garbage. And then to call another penalty on the sideline is even more garbage. It's cowardly, it's gutless, and wrong," Fisher told reporters after the game.
"Now they can take it, fine it, do whatever they want to do with it, that's a fact. Look at the film. It's ridiculous that they do it. That was a huge call in the game. Now, [we] still had chances to win the game after that. That's ridiculous and the guy wasn't even in position to make it and plus it was 10 yards down the field so the penalty should have been marked from there, not from the line of scrimmage ..."

www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ficials-after-florida-states-loss-to-clemson/
www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...officials-clemson-penalty-20161029-story.html

I hope Jimbo doesn't forget to mention that FSU player that grabbed Watson's face mask on that 4th quarter "sack" Jimbo was so excited about.

Yes, refs obviously missed that one as well. As I've been saying, the officiating was extremely poor. I personally think the bullshit blocking call was a more pivotal call, as it negated a huge run that would have set up FSU to go up by 11 or 15 points, but they absolutely missed that face mask too. Not to mention some ridiculous holding..although it is sometimes tougher to deal with the holding calls.

[cbisbig]

Oct 30, 2016 9:49:20 GMT -5 ETGator1 said:

Oct 30, 2016 9:38:56 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Its good to see Fisher take a stand against poor officiating, there's plenty happening in the SEC as well. Some of these guys seem too old to be out there in the first place and with the speed of the game I don't see how they can be in position 100% of the time or even 85% for that matter. There should be an age limit on these officials, if there is, they should lower it to around 55. If more coaches would make a stand on lousy officiating maybe some changes would ensue

So says a fan of the most favored team by the refs in the SEC. You don't have a clue what it means to come up on the short end of the stick with refs.

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good grief
DO you have an "end of time " bunker in the back yard stocked with supplies?
www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/sec-most-penalized-teams-past-5-years/
SEC TEAM PENALTY YARDAGE, PAST 5 SEASONS
Team 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 5-year total
Tennessee 561 630 455 444 530 2,620
Mississippi St. 567 538 515 513 506 2,639
Arkansas 593 528 461 581 477 2,640
Alabama 369 467 520 562 835 2,753
South Carolina 632 526 543 606 468 2,775
Kentucky 482 496 593 604 676 2,851
Vanderbilt 653 584 518 630 566 2,951
Ole Miss 692 480 541 549 702 2,964
Missouri 593* 519 543 815 517 2,987
Georgia 664 749 617 527 592 3,149
Auburn 676 601 569 896 603 3,345
LSU 702 753 732 595 784 3,566
Texas A&M 855* 735 690 663 713 3,656
Florida 773 895 711 710 737 3,826
* – denotes penalty data from Big 12

MOST PENALTY YARDS BY SEASON
2015: Alabama Crimson Tide (835)
2014: Auburn Tigers (896)
2013: LSU Tigers (732)
2012: Florida Gators (895)
2011: Florida Gators (773)

MOST PENALIZED PROGRAMS IN THE PAST 5 YEARS
1. Florida Gators: Thanks to the Will Muschamp era, the Gators led in this stat last year. The first year of Jim McElwain’s tenure saw the Gators amass 737 penalty yards, which was the third-highest total in the SEC last fall. It’s progress, even if it’s slight.

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Oct 30, 2016 10:45:46 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Oct 30, 2016 9:49:20 GMT -5 ETGator1 said:

So says a fan of the most favored team by the refs in the SEC. You don't have a clue what it means to come up on the short end of the stick with refs.

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good grief
DO you have an "end of time " bunker in the back yard stocked with supplies?
www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/sec-most-penalized-teams-past-5-years/
SEC TEAM PENALTY YARDAGE, PAST 5 SEASONS
Team 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 5-year total
Tennessee 561 630 455 444 530 2,620
Mississippi St. 567 538 515 513 506 2,639
Arkansas 593 528 461 581 477 2,640
Alabama 369 467 520 562 835 2,753
South Carolina 632 526 543 606 468 2,775
Kentucky 482 496 593 604 676 2,851
Vanderbilt 653 584 518 630 566 2,951
Ole Miss 692 480 541 549 702 2,964
Missouri 593* 519 543 815 517 2,987
Georgia 664 749 617 527 592 3,149
Auburn 676 601 569 896 603 3,345
LSU 702 753 732 595 784 3,566
Texas A&M 855* 735 690 663 713 3,656
Florida 773 895 711 710 737 3,826
* – denotes penalty data from Big 12

MOST PENALTY YARDS BY SEASON
2015: Alabama Crimson Tide (835)
2014: Auburn Tigers (896)
2013: LSU Tigers (732)
2012: Florida Gators (895)
2011: Florida Gators (773)

MOST PENALIZED PROGRAMS IN THE PAST 5 YEARS
1. Florida Gators: Thanks to the Will Muschamp era, the Gators led in this stat last year. The first year of Jim McElwain’s tenure saw the Gators amass 737 penalty yards, which was the third-highest total in the SEC last fall. It’s progress, even if it’s slight.

All that tells me is that bama didn't need the refs in 2015 to go unbeaten. It's as regular as rain, the tide gets the calls often and when it counts. The tide was #1 in the league in fewest penalty yards from 2011-2014. You didn't list 2016 to date, but I'd bet the tide is close to the top of the league in fewest penalties.

Again, you don't have a clue what it's like to get hosed by refs. Look at UT. The vols don't either. Bama and UT are the most favored teams by the refs in relation to the other top teams in the SEC. It's way past time to go with out of region for refs and to get the SEC the hell out of that bama stronghold in Birmingham. 

[cbisbig]

Oct 30, 2016 11:25:25 GMT -5 ETGator1 said:

Oct 30, 2016 10:45:46 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

good grief
DO you have an "end of time " bunker in the back yard stocked with supplies?
www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/sec-most-penalized-teams-past-5-years/
SEC TEAM PENALTY YARDAGE, PAST 5 SEASONS
Team 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 5-year total
Tennessee 561 630 455 444 530 2,620
Mississippi St. 567 538 515 513 506 2,639
Arkansas 593 528 461 581 477 2,640
Alabama 369 467 520 562 835 2,753
South Carolina 632 526 543 606 468 2,775
Kentucky 482 496 593 604 676 2,851
Vanderbilt 653 584 518 630 566 2,951
Ole Miss 692 480 541 549 702 2,964
Missouri 593* 519 543 815 517 2,987
Georgia 664 749 617 527 592 3,149
Auburn 676 601 569 896 603 3,345
LSU 702 753 732 595 784 3,566
Texas A&M 855* 735 690 663 713 3,656
Florida 773 895 711 710 737 3,826
* – denotes penalty data from Big 12

MOST PENALTY YARDS BY SEASON
2015: Alabama Crimson Tide (835)
2014: Auburn Tigers (896)
2013: LSU Tigers (732)
2012: Florida Gators (895)
2011: Florida Gators (773)

MOST PENALIZED PROGRAMS IN THE PAST 5 YEARS
1. Florida Gators: Thanks to the Will Muschamp era, the Gators led in this stat last year. The first year of Jim McElwain’s tenure saw the Gators amass 737 penalty yards, which was the third-highest total in the SEC last fall. It’s progress, even if it’s slight.

All that tells me is that bama didn't need the refs in 2015 to go unbeaten. It's as regular as rain, the tide gets the calls often and when it counts. The tide was #1 in the league in fewest penalty yards from 2011-2014. You didn't list 2016 to date, but I'd bet the tide is close to the top of the league in fewest penalties.

Again, you don't have a clue what it's like to get hosed by refs. Look at UT. The vols don't either. Bama and UT are the most favored teams by the refs in relation to the other top teams in the SEC. It's way past time to go with out of region for refs and to get the SEC the hell out of that bama stronghold in Birmingham. 

Or maybe you're crying because you aren't used to seeing a disciplined focused team on the field.(Unless you're watching someone other than the gators)
BAMA had the most penalty yards in the SEC last year and still managed to win the league and the CFP. Penalties are a thorn in Saban's side, he hates unforced errors. So it only makes sense that BAMA would be penalized less. It's a point of emphasis at practice. I was surprised to see BAMA lead the league in penalties in 2015 honestly If you have some sort of proof that the league officials are favoring BAMA I'd like to see it. Your opinion doesn't count as fact, facts do.

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Oct 30, 2016 11:40:49 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Oct 30, 2016 11:25:25 GMT -5 ETGator1 said:

All that tells me is that bama didn't need the refs in 2015 to go unbeaten. It's as regular as rain, the tide gets the calls often and when it counts. The tide was #1 in the league in fewest penalty yards from 2011-2014. You didn't list 2016 to date, but I'd bet the tide is close to the top of the league in fewest penalties.

Again, you don't have a clue what it's like to get hosed by refs. Look at UT. The vols don't either. Bama and UT are the most favored teams by the refs in relation to the other top teams in the SEC. It's way past time to go with out of region for refs and to get the SEC the hell out of that bama stronghold in Birmingham. 

Or maybe you're crying because you aren't used to seeing a disciplined focused team on the field.(Unless you're watching someone other than the gators)
BAMA had the most penalty yards in the SEC last year and still managed to win the league and the CFP. Penalties are a thorn in Saban's side, he hates unforced errors. So it only makes sense that BAMA would be penalized less. It's a point of emphasis at practice. I was surprised to see BAMA lead the league in penalties in 2015 honestly If you have some sort of proof that the league officials are favoring BAMA I'd like to see it. Your opinion doesn't count as fact, facts do.

You posted the facts above that prove it. However, you can go back much further than the past 5 years and it will always be the same.

My opinion formed over time is all that counts. If you want to show me those same stats over the last 50 years, I'd be happy to consider a change in my opinion based on such evidence provided.

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Oct 29, 2016 23:25:19 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Agreed. Some egregious calls made and not made that affected the outcome of the game.

I hate to see a huge game like that decided by the zebras-- one way or the other.

It's one reason that I stopped watching the NBA.

[cbisbig]

Oct 30, 2016 11:58:38 GMT -5 ETGator1 said:

Oct 30, 2016 11:40:49 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Or maybe you're crying because you aren't used to seeing a disciplined focused team on the field.(Unless you're watching someone other than the gators)
BAMA had the most penalty yards in the SEC last year and still managed to win the league and the CFP. Penalties are a thorn in Saban's side, he hates unforced errors. So it only makes sense that BAMA would be penalized less. It's a point of emphasis at practice. I was surprised to see BAMA lead the league in penalties in 2015 honestly If you have some sort of proof that the league officials are favoring BAMA I'd like to see it. Your opinion doesn't count as fact, facts do.

You posted the facts above that prove it. However, you can go back much further than the past 5 years and it will always be the same.

My opinion formed over time is all that counts. If you want to show me those same stats over the last 50 years, I'd be happy to consider a change in my opinion based on such evidence provided.

The facts I posted proved:

1) BAMA was NOT favored by the refs in 2015
2) Uf has led the league in penalties over the last 5 years. IOW, you're crying about your undisciplined and picking out one of the least penalized and claiming the refs are on their side.
3) BAMA has actually been flagged more than Uf in 2016www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/penalties-per-game

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Oct 30, 2016 12:31:24 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Oct 30, 2016 11:58:38 GMT -5 ETGator1 said:

You posted the facts above that prove it. However, you can go back much further than the past 5 years and it will always be the same.

My opinion formed over time is all that counts. If you want to show me those same stats over the last 50 years, I'd be happy to consider a change in my opinion based on such evidence provided.

The facts I posted proved:

1) BAMA was NOT favored by the refs in 2015
2) Uf has led the league in penalties over the last 5 years. IOW, you're crying about your undisciplined and picking out one of the least penalized and claiming the refs are on their side.
3) BAMA has actually been flagged more than Uf in 2016www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/penalties-per-game

You remember last spring when I told you the SEC unfavorably scheduled UF and to a lesser degree UGA by going back down the SEC schedules over the last almost 60 years to prove UF was scheduled for years back to back to back without an open date against historically top SEC programs? I proved my point over a lengthy time period.

If you want to influence my opinion, you'll have to do the same with the penalty information. Otherwise save your unenlightened effort. I can't/won't be swayed without long term facts that support your supposition.

You need to learn to read charts better too. In 2016, UF has 7.9 penalties per game compared to bama's 6.2.