Will There Be Riots Tomorrow?

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Jan 16, 2017 9:41:57 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Jan 15, 2017 22:39:05 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

I vote we send Nied erhut on a time machine to Anderson.

I assume you mean Andersonville.

Yes. Cwg too.

[snap infraction]

Jan 16, 2017 9:39:36 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Jan 16, 2017 8:27:38 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes35 said:

You mean Robert E. Lee? The man who thought slavery was a sin and secession unconstitutional. The man who never once called the Union "the enemy".

I mean Robert Edward Lee (1/19/1807 - 10/12/1870).   There was probably only one of them.
Today is to honor HIM.

You are the typical uninformed Yankee who thinks the War of Northern Aggression was fought over slavery.  Slaveowners were the MINORITY of the U.S. population.  The war was fought over the federal gov't thinking it had the right to push the states around.  As we see now even as then, federal interference in states' rights is a MAJOR problem.

for the uninformed, here's what happened:

early in the 19th century, the north turned into a strong industrial capitalist economy while the south stayed as an agrarian economy.  besides being morally apprehensive, the norths industrial economy no longer needed slavery as it was not economically viable.  but the southern plantations were still dependent on slave labor.  

as the century progressed, the west was being explored and settled.  both the north and south wanted to shape the new frontier in their own image.  this created lots of turmoil.  on top of it, the country kept electing weak inept presidents to settle the disputes.  this just angered people more.  the north got so fed up with the issue that they elected an anti-slavery president who wasn't even on the ballot in most southern states as the north had more people.  lincoln initally wanted to keep slavery in place where it already exited but prevent it from expanding.  the south feared that their way of life was in jeopardy.  the south came together, formed the confederacy and seceded.  lincoln viewed this as illegal.  eventually, the south fired at forth sumpter b/c they didn't want northern military bases in the south.  the war began.

throughout the war, the south fought hard b/c they wanted to preserve their way of life and thought independence from the north was the only way. but the north eventually smashed through the south b/c the north had all the economic advantages b/c its industrial economy was far more advanced than the south.

the war eventually ended.  congress passed the 13th amendment.  then we had the reconstruction era where the south was essentially under military occupation.  during this time, northern politicians experimented with giving rights to black people. but southerners didn't like this very much and formed the KKK to resist.  eventually the northern military packed up and left and jim crow era was born and lasted until the 1960s.  

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Jan 16, 2017 10:12:46 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

Jan 16, 2017 9:39:36 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

I mean Robert Edward Lee (1/19/1807 - 10/12/1870).   There was probably only one of them.
Today is to honor HIM.

You are the typical uninformed Yankee who thinks the War of Northern Aggression was fought over slavery.  Slaveowners were the MINORITY of the U.S. population.  The war was fought over the federal gov't thinking it had the right to push the states around.  As we see now even as then, federal interference in states' rights is a MAJOR problem.

for the uninformed, here's what happened:

early in the 19th century, the north turned into a strong industrial capitalist economy while the south stayed as an agrarian economy.  besides being morally apprehensive, the norths industrial economy no longer needed slavery as it was not economically viable.  but the southern plantations were still dependent on slave labor.  

as the century progressed, the west was being explored and settled.  both the north and south wanted to shape the new frontier in their own image.  this created lots of turmoil.  on top of it, the country kept electing weak inept presidents to settle the disputes.  this just angered people more.  the north got so fed up with the issue that they elected an anti-slavery president who wasn't even on the ballot in most southern states as the north had more people.  lincoln initally wanted to keep slavery in place where it already exited but prevent it from expanding.  the south feared that their economy was in jeopardy.  the south came together, formed the confederacy and succeeded.  lincoln viewed this as illegal.  eventually, the south fired at forth sumpter b/c they didn't want northern military bases in the south.  the war began.

throughout the war, the south fought hard b/c they wanted to preserve their way of life and thought independence from the north was the only way. but the north eventually smashed through the south b/c the north had all the economic advantages b/c its industrial economy was far more advanced than the south.

the war eventually ended.  congress passed the 13th amendment.  then we had the reconstruction era where the south was essentially under military occupation.  during this time, northern politicians experimented with giving rights to black people. but southerners didn't like this very much and formed the KKK to resist.  eventually the northern military packed up and left and jim crow era was born and lasted until the 1960s.  

Good synopsis.

[bamorin]

Jan 16, 2017 10:12:46 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

for the uninformed, here's what happened:

early in the 19th century, the north turned into a strong industrial capitalist economy while the south stayed as an agrarian economy.  besides being morally apprehensive, the norths industrial economy no longer needed slavery as it was not economically viable.  but the southern plantations were still dependent on slave labor.  

For the misinformed, the word "slave" was replaced with "indentured servant".........to which the northern factories were filled with. They wanted more, "free the slaves" and they'll come in droves to the north to become "indentured servants" and fill the factories with dirt cheap labor.

Massachusetts didn't get out of the slave trade until the 13th was ratified.

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Jan 16, 2017 10:12:46 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

Jan 16, 2017 9:39:36 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

I mean Robert Edward Lee (1/19/1807 - 10/12/1870).   There was probably only one of them.
Today is to honor HIM.

You are the typical uninformed Yankee who thinks the War of Northern Aggression was fought over slavery.  Slaveowners were the MINORITY of the U.S. population.  The war was fought over the federal gov't thinking it had the right to push the states around.  As we see now even as then, federal interference in states' rights is a MAJOR problem.

for the uninformed, here's what happened:

early in the 19th century, the north turned into a strong industrial capitalist economy while the south stayed as an agrarian economy.  besides being morally apprehensive, the norths industrial economy no longer needed slavery as it was not economically viable.  but the southern plantations were still dependent on slave labor.  

as the century progressed, the west was being explored and settled.  both the north and south wanted to shape the new frontier in their own image.  this created lots of turmoil.  on top of it, the country kept electing weak inept presidents to settle the disputes.  this just angered people more.  the north got so fed up with the issue that they elected an anti-slavery president who wasn't even on the ballot in most southern states as the north had more people.  lincoln initally wanted to keep slavery in place where it already exited but prevent it from expanding.  the south feared that their economy was in jeopardy.  the south came together, formed the confederacy and succeeded.  lincoln viewed this as illegal.  eventually, the south fired at forth sumpter b/c they didn't want northern military bases in the south.  the war began.

throughout the war, the south fought hard b/c they wanted to preserve their way of life and thought independence from the north was the only way. but the north eventually smashed through the south b/c the north had all the economic advantages b/c its industrial economy was far more advanced than the south.

the war eventually ended.  congress passed the 13th amendment.  then we had the reconstruction era where the south was essentially under military occupation.  during this time, northern politicians experimented with giving rights to black people. but southerners didn't like this very much and formed the KKK to resist.  eventually the northern military packed up and left and jim crow era was born and lasted until the 1960s.  

That's a whole lot of rearranged "history" in one post.
By your own admission, Yankees wanted to end slavery because they could no longer USE those enslaved people.  That wasn't humanity, that was business.  "Why should I keep on feeding and caring for all these darkies when I don't need them in my factory? Hell, turn 'em loose and let THEM care for themselves.  If they starve, it ain't my problem any longer."

Fort Sumter was on sovereign Confederate soil, and the Yankees were ordered to leave.  When they refused, the South defended itself as it had every right to do, and won the first battle of the war.

Tell me why race relations are now the WORST in the nation up in Yankee country now.  Tell me why the worst cities in the U.S. are controlled by BLACK DEMOCRATS.

[snap infraction]

Jan 16, 2017 10:35:06 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Jan 16, 2017 10:12:46 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

for the uninformed, here's what happened:

early in the 19th century, the north turned into a strong industrial capitalist economy while the south stayed as an agrarian economy.  besides being morally apprehensive, the norths industrial economy no longer needed slavery as it was not economically viable.  but the southern plantations were still dependent on slave labor.  

as the century progressed, the west was being explored and settled.  both the north and south wanted to shape the new frontier in their own image.  this created lots of turmoil.  on top of it, the country kept electing weak inept presidents to settle the disputes.  this just angered people more.  the north got so fed up with the issue that they elected an anti-slavery president who wasn't even on the ballot in most southern states as the north had more people.  lincoln initally wanted to keep slavery in place where it already exited but prevent it from expanding.  the south feared that their economy was in jeopardy.  the south came together, formed the confederacy and succeeded.  lincoln viewed this as illegal.  eventually, the south fired at forth sumpter b/c they didn't want northern military bases in the south.  the war began.

throughout the war, the south fought hard b/c they wanted to preserve their way of life and thought independence from the north was the only way. but the north eventually smashed through the south b/c the north had all the economic advantages b/c its industrial economy was far more advanced than the south.

the war eventually ended.  congress passed the 13th amendment.  then we had the reconstruction era where the south was essentially under military occupation.  during this time, northern politicians experimented with giving rights to black people. but southerners didn't like this very much and formed the KKK to resist.  eventually the northern military packed up and left and jim crow era was born and lasted until the 1960s.  

That's a whole lot of rearranged "history" in one post.
By your own admission, Yankees wanted to end slavery because they could no longer USE those enslaved people.  That wasn't humanity, that was business.  "Why should I keep on feeding and caring for all these darkies when I don't need them in my factory? Hell, turn 'em loose and let THEM care for themselves.  If they starve, it ain't my problem any longer."

Fort Sumter was on sovereign Confederate soil, and the Yankees were ordered to leave.  When they refused, the South defended itself as it had every right to do, and won the first battle of the war.

Tell me why race relations are now the WORST in the nation up in Yankee country now.  Tell me why the worst cities in the U.S. are controlled by BLACK DEMOCRATS.

nothing was rearranged.  i acknowledge that a factor for slavery being abolished in the north was that the economy no longer needed slave labor.  

the problem is that the north didn't deem fort sumter to be "confederate" soil and they didn't recognize the confederacy.  you can't be ordered to leave by something that was never legitimized.  

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Jan 16, 2017 9:39:36 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Jan 16, 2017 8:27:38 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes35 said:

You mean Robert E. Lee? The man who thought slavery was a sin and secession unconstitutional. The man who never once called the Union "the enemy".

I mean Robert Edward Lee (1/19/1807 - 10/12/1870).   There was probably only one of them.
Today is to honor HIM.

You are the typical uninformed Yankee who thinks the War of Northern Aggression was fought over slavery.  Slaveowners were the MINORITY of the U.S. population.  The war was fought over the federal gov't thinking it had the right to push the states around.  As we see now even as then, federal interference in states' rights is a MAJOR problem.

God you're such a racist dick.

I can't digest how you ever wore a badge.

But you're right. The Civil War was fought over states rights.

Granted the southern states wanted the right to keep slavery.

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Jan 16, 2017 10:12:46 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

Jan 16, 2017 9:39:36 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

I mean Robert Edward Lee (1/19/1807 - 10/12/1870).   There was probably only one of them.
Today is to honor HIM.

You are the typical uninformed Yankee who thinks the War of Northern Aggression was fought over slavery.  Slaveowners were the MINORITY of the U.S. population.  The war was fought over the federal gov't thinking it had the right to push the states around.  As we see now even as then, federal interference in states' rights is a MAJOR problem.

for the uninformed, here's what happened:

early in the 19th century, the north turned into a strong industrial capitalist economy while the south stayed as an agrarian economy.  besides being morally apprehensive, the norths industrial economy no longer needed slavery as it was not economically viable.  but the southern plantations were still dependent on slave labor.  

as the century progressed, the west was being explored and settled.  both the north and south wanted to shape the new frontier in their own image.  this created lots of turmoil.  on top of it, the country kept electing weak inept presidents to settle the disputes.  this just angered people more.  the north got so fed up with the issue that they elected an anti-slavery president who wasn't even on the ballot in most southern states as the north had more people.  lincoln initally wanted to keep slavery in place where it already exited but prevent it from expanding.  the south feared that their way of life was in jeopardy.  the south came together, formed the confederacy and seceded.  lincoln viewed this as illegal.  eventually, the south fired at forth sumpter b/c they didn't want northern military bases in the south.  the war began.

throughout the war, the south fought hard b/c they wanted to preserve their way of life and thought independence from the north was the only way. but the north eventually smashed through the south b/c the north had all the economic advantages b/c its industrial economy was far more advanced than the south.

the war eventually ended.  congress passed the 13th amendment.  then we had the reconstruction era where the south was essentially under military occupation.  during this time, northern politicians experimented with giving rights to black people. but southerners didn't like this very much and formed the KKK to resist.  eventually the northern military packed up and left and jim crow era was born and lasted until the 1960s.  

This is 100% correct

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Jan 16, 2017 9:49:10 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

Jan 16, 2017 9:41:57 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

I assume you mean Andersonville.

Yes. Cwg too.

A place where US Soldiers were imprisoned. A place built to hold 10,000 had over 30,000 by the end of 1864.

And where 13,000 of them died.

Glad you look upon it with such happiness.

[bamorin]

Jan 16, 2017 10:49:20 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

nothing was rearranged.  i acknowledge that a factor for slavery being abolished in the north was that the economy no longer needed slave labor.  

Slavery wasn't abolished in the north (all of new england) until the 13th was ratified. To make it more "palatable" to the "tender spirits" the name was changed from slave to indentured servant.

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Jan 16, 2017 10:51:27 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes35 said:

Jan 16, 2017 9:39:36 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

I mean Robert Edward Lee (1/19/1807 - 10/12/1870).   There was probably only one of them.
Today is to honor HIM.

You are the typical uninformed Yankee who thinks the War of Northern Aggression was fought over slavery.  Slaveowners were the MINORITY of the U.S. population.  The war was fought over the federal gov't thinking it had the right to push the states around.  As we see now even as then, federal interference in states' rights is a MAJOR problem.

God you're such a racist dick.

I can't digest how you ever wore a badge.

But you're right. The Civil War was fought over states rights.

Granted the southern states wanted the right to keep slavery.

Telling the truth makes me a racist?   
You are precious, sweet pea.

I wore a badge because I am not a coward. I wore a badge so that I could help people of ALL COLORS, and most of the people I helped were BLACK.  You f-ing idiot -----  it was the BLACK PEOPLE who called the police to help them with their problems -- mostly OTHER Black people.   I did my best ot hlep the good people of all colors and get the BAD people of all colors off the street.
You are an ignorant idiot, and I would welcome the opportunity to kick your ass.  And you are WHITE.  When I got through with you, you would want to kill yourself.
 So f-word you.

I tried to be nice to you.  Tried to be civil to you.  It doesn't work.
Go hang yourself.  Let your family find you all purple with your eyes and tongue bulging out, and a puddle of piss and shit on the floor under you. 
I can dig it.

[AlaCowboy]

Jan 16, 2017 10:12:46 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

Jan 16, 2017 9:39:36 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

I mean Robert Edward Lee (1/19/1807 - 10/12/1870).   There was probably only one of them.
Today is to honor HIM.

You are the typical uninformed Yankee who thinks the War of Northern Aggression was fought over slavery.  Slaveowners were the MINORITY of the U.S. population.  The war was fought over the federal gov't thinking it had the right to push the states around.  As we see now even as then, federal interference in states' rights is a MAJOR problem.

for the uninformed, here's what happened:

early in the 19th century, the north turned into a strong industrial capitalist economy while the south stayed as an agrarian economy.  besides being morally apprehensive, the norths industrial economy no longer needed slavery as it was not economically viable.  but the southern plantations were still dependent on slave labor.  

as the century progressed, the west was being explored and settled.  both the north and south wanted to shape the new frontier in their own image.  this created lots of turmoil.  on top of it, the country kept electing weak inept presidents to settle the disputes.  this just angered people more.  the north got so fed up with the issue that they elected an anti-slavery president who wasn't even on the ballot in most southern states as the north had more people.  lincoln initally wanted to keep slavery in place where it already exited but prevent it from expanding.  the south feared that their way of life was in jeopardy.  the south came together, formed the confederacy and seceded.  lincoln viewed this as illegal.  eventually, the south fired at forth sumpter b/c they didn't want northern military bases in the south.  the war began.

throughout the war, the south fought hard b/c they wanted to preserve their way of life and thought independence from the north was the only way. but the north eventually smashed through the south b/c the north had all the economic advantages b/c its industrial economy was far more advanced than the south.

the war eventually ended.  congress passed the 13th amendment.  then we had the reconstruction era where the south was essentially under military occupation.  during this time, northern politicians experimented with giving rights to black people. but southerners didn't like this very much and formed the KKK to resist.  eventually the northern military packed up and left and jim crow era was born and lasted until the 1960s.  

That's a rather simplistic version of the events leading up to the War Between The States. But it leaves out all the economic reasons behind the desire of the Southern states for states rights. When the northern states required all Southern goods to be shipped through northern ports (with high export tariffs) before going to European factories, the Southern farmers couldn't compete with foreign cotton producers. The northern states also required higher import tariffs on factory machinery coming to Southern states in order to maintain their manufacturing superiority over the Southern states.
Nearly all wars are fought over economics. But the winners write the history books, so the slavery issue was used to justify The War Of Northern Aggression.

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Jan 16, 2017 10:35:06 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Jan 16, 2017 10:12:46 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

for the uninformed, here's what happened:

early in the 19th century, the north turned into a strong industrial capitalist economy while the south stayed as an agrarian economy.  besides being morally apprehensive, the norths industrial economy no longer needed slavery as it was not economically viable.  but the southern plantations were still dependent on slave labor.  

as the century progressed, the west was being explored and settled.  both the north and south wanted to shape the new frontier in their own image.  this created lots of turmoil.  on top of it, the country kept electing weak inept presidents to settle the disputes.  this just angered people more.  the north got so fed up with the issue that they elected an anti-slavery president who wasn't even on the ballot in most southern states as the north had more people.  lincoln initally wanted to keep slavery in place where it already exited but prevent it from expanding.  the south feared that their economy was in jeopardy.  the south came together, formed the confederacy and succeeded.  lincoln viewed this as illegal.  eventually, the south fired at forth sumpter b/c they didn't want northern military bases in the south.  the war began.

throughout the war, the south fought hard b/c they wanted to preserve their way of life and thought independence from the north was the only way. but the north eventually smashed through the south b/c the north had all the economic advantages b/c its industrial economy was far more advanced than the south.

the war eventually ended.  congress passed the 13th amendment.  then we had the reconstruction era where the south was essentially under military occupation.  during this time, northern politicians experimented with giving rights to black people. but southerners didn't like this very much and formed the KKK to resist.  eventually the northern military packed up and left and jim crow era was born and lasted until the 1960s.  

That's a whole lot of rearranged "history" in one post.
By your own admission, Yankees wanted to end slavery because they could no longer USE those enslaved people.  That wasn't humanity, that was business.  "Why should I keep on feeding and caring for all these darkies when I don't need them in my factory? Hell, turn 'em loose and let THEM care for themselves.  If they starve, it ain't my problem any longer."

Fort Sumter was on sovereign Confederate soil, and the Yankees were ordered to leave.  When they refused, the South defended itself as it had every right to do, and won the first battle of the war.

Tell me why race relations are now the WORST in the nation up in Yankee country now.  Tell me why the worst cities in the U.S. are controlled by BLACK DEMOCRATS.

No country on the planet recognized the south as its own country let alone did the US. So they were under no obligation to leave the fort as the US still considered it US land.

It's a good try to excuse the south from firing the 1st shot.

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Jan 16, 2017 11:29:49 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Jan 16, 2017 10:51:27 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes35 said:

God you're such a racist dick.

I can't digest how you ever wore a badge.

But you're right. The Civil War was fought over states rights.

Granted the southern states wanted the right to keep slavery.

Telling the truth makes me a racist?   
You are precious, sweet pea.

I wore a badge because I am not a coward. I wore a badge so that I could help people of ALL COLORS, and most of the people I helped were BLACK.  You f-ing idiot -----  it was the BLACK PEOPLE who called the police to help them with their problems -- mostly OTHER Black people.   I did my best ot hlep the good people of all colors and get the BAD people of all colors off the street.
You are an ignorant idiot, and I would welcome the opportunity to kick your ass.  And you are WHITE.  When I got through with you, you would want to kill yourself.
 So f-word you.

I tried to be nice to you.  Tried to be civil to you.  It doesn't work.
Go hang yourself.  Let your family find you all purple with your eyes and tongue bulging out, and a puddle of piss and shit on the floor under you. 
I can dig it.

Threatening me are you?

If you did kick my ass without me doing anything physical to you 1st isn't that called assault Mr policeman?

I'm sure you'd love for me to die. But sorry. It won't be by my own hand

And if you call all this time being nice to me, I sure hate to see you when you're not to someone

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Jan 16, 2017 11:15:49 GMT -5 bamorin said:

Jan 16, 2017 10:49:20 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

nothing was rearranged.  i acknowledge that a factor for slavery being abolished in the north was that the economy no longer needed slave labor.  

Slavery wasn't abolished in the north (all of new england) until the 13th was ratified. To make it more "palatable" to the "tender spirits" the name was changed from slave to indentured servant.

Mississippi didn't remove slavery from their books till 2011.

So what's your point