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Post by bamorin on Jan 16, 2017 12:44:49 GMT -5
Slavery wasn't abolished in the north (all of new england) until the 13th was ratified. To make it more "palatable" to the "tender spirits" the name was changed from slave to indentured servant. Mississippi didn't remove slavery from their books till 2011. So what's your point obvious you still can't read......ihs claimed slavery was abolished in the north......it was, in 1865. but not a moment before that. As noted, Massachusetts still dealt in it until forced to quit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 12:46:21 GMT -5
Mississippi didn't remove slavery from their books till 2011. So what's your point obvious you still can't read......ihs claimed slavery was abolished in the north......it was, in 1865. but not a moment before that. As noted, Massachusetts still dealt in it until forced to quit. Oh I see. Gotcha |
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Post by snap infraction on Jan 16, 2017 12:49:22 GMT -5
for the uninformed, here's what happened: early in the 19th century, the north turned into a strong industrial capitalist economy while the south stayed as an agrarian economy. besides being morally apprehensive, the norths industrial economy no longer needed slavery as it was not economically viable. but the southern plantations were still dependent on slave labor. as the century progressed, the west was being explored and settled. both the north and south wanted to shape the new frontier in their own image. this created lots of turmoil. on top of it, the country kept electing weak inept presidents to settle the disputes. this just angered people more. the north got so fed up with the issue that they elected an anti-slavery president who wasn't even on the ballot in most southern states as the north had more people. lincoln initally wanted to keep slavery in place where it already exited but prevent it from expanding. the south feared that their way of life was in jeopardy. the south came together, formed the confederacy and seceded. lincoln viewed this as illegal. eventually, the south fired at forth sumpter b/c they didn't want northern military bases in the south. the war began. throughout the war, the south fought hard b/c they wanted to preserve their way of life and thought independence from the north was the only way. but the north eventually smashed through the south b/c the north had all the economic advantages b/c its industrial economy was far more advanced than the south. the war eventually ended. congress passed the 13th amendment. then we had the reconstruction era where the south was essentially under military occupation. during this time, northern politicians experimented with giving rights to black people. but southerners didn't like this very much and formed the KKK to resist. eventually the northern military packed up and left and jim crow era was born and lasted until the 1960s.
Nearly all wars are fought over economics. But the winners write the history books, so the slavery issue was used to justify The War Of Northern Aggression. lists all the secession statements from all the confederate states. based on these official statements, it is more than obvious that slavery was a primary motivating factor. |
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Post by bamorin on Jan 16, 2017 13:07:28 GMT -5
That's a rather simplistic version of the events leading up to the War Between The States. But it leaves out all the economic reasons behind the desire of the Southern states for states rights. When the northern states required all Southern goods to be shipped through northern ports (with high export tariffs) before going to European factories, the Southern farmers couldn't compete with foreign cotton producers. The northern states also required higher import tariffs on factory machinery coming to Southern states in order to maintain their manufacturing superiority over the Southern states.
Nearly all wars are fought over economics. But the winners write the history books, so the slavery issue was used to justify The War Of Northern Aggression. lists all the secession statements from all the confederate states. based on these official statements, it is more than obvious that slavery was a primary motivating factor. Ummm............you missed this part........ The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."right, wrong, or indifferent, that was the US constitution at the time. The "northern states" were depriving, or trying to deprive the constitutional rights of those states. What was at the core of what was being deprived is irrelevant. The northern states could have been trying to deprive any or all of "articles" |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 13:27:26 GMT -5
Ummm............you missed this part........ The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."right, wrong, or indifferent, that was the US constitution at the time. The "northern states" were depriving, or trying to deprive the constitutional rights of those states. What was at the core of what was being deprived is irrelevant. The northern states could have been trying to deprive any or all of "articles"
And SCOTUS Chief Justice Tanney ruled that Dred Scott, and other black people, had the legal status of chattel-- not U.S. citizens with basic Constitutional rights.
You, of all people, should be appalled by that aspect of U.S. legal history.
The Fugitive Slave laws of the 19th century played a major role in the evolution of the Abolitionist movement in Massachusetts, and throughout the nation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 13:49:17 GMT -5
Telling the truth makes me a racist?
You are precious, sweet pea.
I wore a badge because I am not a coward. I wore a badge so that I could help people of ALL COLORS, and most of the people I helped were BLACK. You f-ing idiot ----- it was the BLACK PEOPLE who called the police to help them with their problems -- mostly OTHER Black people. I did my best ot hlep the good people of all colors and get the BAD people of all colors off the street.
You are an ignorant idiot, and I would welcome the opportunity to kick your ass. And you are WHITE. When I got through with you, you would want to kill yourself.
So f-word you.
I tried to be nice to you. Tried to be civil to you. It doesn't work.
Go hang yourself. Let your family find you all purple with your eyes and tongue bulging out, and a puddle of piss and shit on the floor under you.
I can dig it.
Threatening me are you? If you did kick my ass without me doing anything physical to you 1st isn't that called assault Mr policeman? I'm sure you'd love for me to die. But sorry. It won't be by my own hand And if you call all this time being nice to me, I sure hate to see you when you're not to someone
But honestly, that goes against all my principles. If you were stupid enough to try and do something to me, unless you were possessing a deadly weapon, I would do my best to de-escalate the situation.
You are right --------- you wouldn't like me at all when I am not being nice. Fortunately that happens very rarely. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 13:58:23 GMT -5
That's a whole lot of rearranged "history" in one post.
By your own admission, Yankees wanted to end slavery because they could no longer USE those enslaved people. That wasn't humanity, that was business. "Why should I keep on feeding and caring for all these darkies when I don't need them in my factory? Hell, turn 'em loose and let THEM care for themselves. If they starve, it ain't my problem any longer."
Fort Sumter was on sovereign Confederate soil, and the Yankees were ordered to leave. When they refused, the South defended itself as it had every right to do, and won the first battle of the war.
Tell me why race relations are now the WORST in the nation up in Yankee country now. Tell me why the worst cities in the U.S. are controlled by BLACK DEMOCRATS. nothing was rearranged. i acknowledge that a factor for slavery being abolished in the north was that the economy no longer needed slave labor. the problem is that the north didn't deem fort sumter to be "confederate" soil and they didn't recognize the confederacy. you can't be ordered to leave by something that was never legitimized.
Conservatives want to free blacks and ALL people of slavery brought on them by failed Democrat socialism, and Democrats want to make sure they can control the vote of people who have nothing by continuing to keep them dependent on handouts. Deomcrats constantly tell these people that they are nothing --- they can't do ANYTHING without help from someone else. Democrats tell welfare slaves they are too stupid to do anything on their own.
How does it feel to know that YOU are a part of modern day slavekeeping? |
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Post by snap infraction on Jan 16, 2017 14:04:29 GMT -5
nothing was rearranged. i acknowledge that a factor for slavery being abolished in the north was that the economy no longer needed slave labor. the problem is that the north didn't deem fort sumter to be "confederate" soil and they didn't recognize the confederacy. you can't be ordered to leave by something that was never legitimized.
Conservatives want to free blacks and ALL people of slavery brought on them by failed Democrat socialism, and Democrats want to make sure they can control the vote of people who have nothing by continuing to keep them dependent on handouts. Deomcrats constantly tell these people that they are nothing --- they can't do ANYTHING without help from someone else. Democrats tell welfare slaves they are too stupid to do anything on their own.
How does it feel to know that YOU are a part of modern day slavekeeping?wow. my mind is now blown. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 14:19:45 GMT -5
Maybe if the Yankees had listened and withdrawn, there would have been more time for talks, and the whole damn war would never have happened. That's something we shall never know. Families were split, brother fought brother, cities were burned and looted; people died for no reason -- the nation was divided and tensions were high. And now it is happening again in 2016-2017. Look around you and tell me you disagree.
Conservatives want to free blacks and ALL people of slavery brought on them by failed Democrat socialism, and Democrats want to make sure they can control the vote of people who have nothing by continuing to keep them dependent on handouts. Deomcrats constantly tell these people that they are nothing --- they can't do ANYTHING without help from someone else. Democrats tell welfare slaves they are too stupid to do anything on their own.
How does it feel to know that YOU are a part of modern day slavekeeping? wow. my mind is now blown. |
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