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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 20:02:04 GMT -5
Because of Republicans. They hate unions. They want corporate America to f-word over workers so they have reduced unions and lie to people convincing them that unions are bad and it's unions fault when it's it's not. That's why they are losing membership. Plus most factories don't even allow unions anymore. They know they'd have to actually pay their workers more than $1 an hour and offer decent benefits LOL too much......Ohio an PA aren't RTW states.....nothing prevents unions from forming except the workers at companies in those states.......got any idea how many times the workers at Honda told the UAW to go f-word themselves? |
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Post by Walter on Jan 16, 2017 20:25:12 GMT -5
meanwhile, those who started working for Honda of America (in ohio) back in 82 are retiring from there with a pension that would embarrass any detroit auto worker. Not to mention the high wages they earned while working. never heard once of a situation where the "boss" came walking down the assembly line and firing somebody for no good reason. ....and then there's this... www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2013/09/10/honda-cuts-pensions-reduces-benefits.html...apparently, it ain't all been fartin' through silk for those workers... .............or for anyone else in the American workforce. The Obama economy and ridiculous ObamaDeathCare costs are taking their toll on everyone. Next time, READ what you post.
"At the same time, private-sector employers have been phasing out pension plans. In its message to employees, Honda notes that 13 percent of Fortune 100 companies had defined-benefit pensions as of 2011, down from 89 percent in 1985.
In the past few years, the greatest threat to pensions has been low interest rates, which have forced companies to pump additional money into retirement systems to guarantee the benefits, said Steve Blakely, managing editor at the Employee Benefit Research Institute, a nonpartisan research group in Washington, D.C."
Those poor Honda employees ........ only making $50 an hour!!!
"He estimates that Honda pays its employees an average of $50 to $52 per hour in salary and benefits, a level that he says is more than Chrysler and less than Ford, GM and Toyota".
You need to stop letting CWG lead you over a cliff, Walt.
You are missing the point, admittedly mired by BaM trying to insinuate that unions caused the decline in jobs. In Honda's Marysville plant, after investing in new technology and reopening recently, they now turn out more cars with less than half the workforce of 25 years ago. THAT is Cwg's point. The jobs ain't coming back, union or no union. His post about Carrier illustrates the same point. Those jobs are gone forever just as surely as buggy whip manufacturing is gone forever, and there isn't anything Trump or anyone else can say or do to stop it. |
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Post by bamorin on Jan 16, 2017 21:37:42 GMT -5
meanwhile, those who started working for Honda of America (in ohio) back in 82 are retiring from there with a pension that would embarrass any detroit auto worker. Not to mention the high wages they earned while working. never heard once of a situation where the "boss" came walking down the assembly line and firing somebody for no good reason. ....and then there's this... www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2013/09/10/honda-cuts-pensions-reduces-benefits.html...apparently, it ain't all been fartin' through silk for those workers... .............or for anyone else in the American workforce. The Obama economy and ridiculous ObamaDeathCare costs are taking their toll on everyone. Next time, READ what you post.
"At the same time, private-sector employers have been phasing out pension plans. In its message to employees, Honda notes that 13 percent of Fortune 100 companies had defined-benefit pensions as of 2011, down from 89 percent in 1985.
In the past few years, the greatest threat to pensions has been low interest rates, which have forced companies to pump additional money into retirement systems to guarantee the benefits, said Steve Blakely, managing editor at the Employee Benefit Research Institute, a nonpartisan research group in Washington, D.C."
Those poor Honda employees ........ only making $50 an hour!!!
"He estimates that Honda pays its employees an average of $50 to $52 per hour in salary and benefits, a level that he says is more than Chrysler and less than Ford, GM and Toyota".
You need to stop letting CWG lead you over a cliff, Walt.
You are missing the point, admittedly mired by BaM trying to insinuate that unions caused the decline in jobs. In Honda's Marysville plant, after investing in new technology and reopening recently, they now turn out more cars with less than half the workforce of 25 years ago. THAT is Cwg's point. The jobs ain't coming back, union or no union. His post about Carrier illustrates the same point. Those jobs are gone forever just as surely as buggy whip manufacturing is gone forever, and there isn't anything Trump or anyone else can say or do to stop it. just shaking my head........carrier is still making HVAC units......people are still buying them. Instead of a town in america where those units are being built, they are now being built in a town in mexico. The paychecks that aren't in the american town aren't being spread through the american town creating paychecks for other people, or paying local and state taxes that pay for roads, police, fire, schools, etc etc etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 23:07:11 GMT -5
meanwhile, those who started working for Honda of America (in ohio) back in 82 are retiring from there with a pension that would embarrass any detroit auto worker. Not to mention the high wages they earned while working. never heard once of a situation where the "boss" came walking down the assembly line and firing somebody for no good reason. ....and then there's this... www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2013/09/10/honda-cuts-pensions-reduces-benefits.html...apparently, it ain't all been fartin' through silk for those workers... .............or for anyone else in the American workforce. The Obama economy and ridiculous ObamaDeathCare costs are taking their toll on everyone. Next time, READ what you post.
"At the same time, private-sector employers have been phasing out pension plans. In its message to employees, Honda notes that 13 percent of Fortune 100 companies had defined-benefit pensions as of 2011, down from 89 percent in 1985.
In the past few years, the greatest threat to pensions has been low interest rates, which have forced companies to pump additional money into retirement systems to guarantee the benefits, said Steve Blakely, managing editor at the Employee Benefit Research Institute, a nonpartisan research group in Washington, D.C."
Those poor Honda employees ........ only making $50 an hour!!!
"He estimates that Honda pays its employees an average of $50 to $52 per hour in salary and benefits, a level that he says is more than Chrysler and less than Ford, GM and Toyota".
You need to stop letting CWG lead you over a cliff, Walt.
You are missing the point, admittedly mired by BaM trying to insinuate that unions caused the decline in jobs. In Honda's Marysville plant, after investing in new technology and reopening recently, they now turn out more cars with less than half the workforce of 25 years ago. THAT is Cwg's point. The jobs ain't coming back, union or no union. His post about Carrier illustrates the same point. Those jobs are gone forever just as surely as buggy whip manufacturing is gone forever, and there isn't anything Trump or anyone else can say or do to stop it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 7:55:22 GMT -5
meanwhile, those who started working for Honda of America (in ohio) back in 82 are retiring from there with a pension that would embarrass any detroit auto worker. Not to mention the high wages they earned while working. never heard once of a situation where the "boss" came walking down the assembly line and firing somebody for no good reason. ....and then there's this... www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2013/09/10/honda-cuts-pensions-reduces-benefits.html...apparently, it ain't all been fartin' through silk for those workers... .............or for anyone else in the American workforce. The Obama economy and ridiculous ObamaDeathCare costs are taking their toll on everyone. Next time, READ what you post.
"At the same time, private-sector employers have been phasing out pension plans. In its message to employees, Honda notes that 13 percent of Fortune 100 companies had defined-benefit pensions as of 2011, down from 89 percent in 1985.
In the past few years, the greatest threat to pensions has been low interest rates, which have forced companies to pump additional money into retirement systems to guarantee the benefits, said Steve Blakely, managing editor at the Employee Benefit Research Institute, a nonpartisan research group in Washington, D.C."
Those poor Honda employees ........ only making $50 an hour!!!
"He estimates that Honda pays its employees an average of $50 to $52 per hour in salary and benefits, a level that he says is more than Chrysler and less than Ford, GM and Toyota".
You need to stop letting CWG lead you over a cliff, Walt.
You are missing the point, admittedly mired by BaM trying to insinuate that unions caused the decline in jobs. In Honda's Marysville plant, after investing in new technology and reopening recently, they now turn out more cars with less than half the workforce of 25 years ago. THAT is Cwg's point. The jobs ain't coming back, union or no union. His post about Carrier illustrates the same point. Those jobs are gone forever just as surely as buggy whip manufacturing is gone forever, and there isn't anything Trump or anyone else can say or do to stop it. Exactly And that's why Trump is doomed to fail in the Midwest |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 8:32:29 GMT -5
You are missing the point, admittedly mired by BaM trying to insinuate that unions caused the decline in jobs. In Honda's Marysville plant, after investing in new technology and reopening recently, they now turn out more cars with less than half the workforce of 25 years ago. THAT is Cwg's point. The jobs ain't coming back, union or no union. His post about Carrier illustrates the same point. Those jobs are gone forever just as surely as buggy whip manufacturing is gone forever, and there isn't anything Trump or anyone else can say or do to stop it. Oh yes he did. He's said in rally after rally in Ohio and in PA he would bring the jobs back. Over and over |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 8:39:49 GMT -5
LOL too much......Ohio an PA aren't RTW states.....nothing prevents unions from forming except the workers at companies in those states.......got any idea how many times the workers at Honda told the UAW to go f-word themselves? Mutt is insane. He hates Democrats. He hates the idea that other people that are different from him and have different views than him have the same rights as he does. He loves being hateful dick |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 9:29:52 GMT -5
Mike, you appear to be suffering from TURD. Please seek help immediately.
Do You Know Someone Suffering From Trump Unacceptance & Resistance Disorder (TURD)?
Know the signs, spot the symptoms, and save a life.
TURD is a pattern of pathologically dis-associative and psychotic behavior, first observed in the late hours of November 8th 2016, and increasing in severity with passing time.
Sufferers of TURD often exhibit pronounced cognitive dissonance, sudden bouts of rage, rioting, and uncontrollable crying.
People with TURD are characterized by a persistent unwillingness to accept that Donald Trump is going to Make America Great Again.
TURD Is caused by the election of Donald Trump as President of the United States of America. For many, both in America and worldwide, this was a shocking and unexpected outcome; their preferred news sources having failed to inform them that the alternative candidate was a criminal parasite in such ill health she got chucked into the back of a van like a kidnap victim.
Research is ongoing, but TURD appears to correlate closely with the following environmental and behavioral factors:
· Membership in the Democratic Party
· Identifying as a Feminist
· Currently enrolled in college, and/or Possession of a Liberal Arts college degree
· Living in a densely populated metropolitan area
· Massive student debt
· Spotty or non-existent work history
Patients with TURD are very resistant to treatment, and dangerous in large groups. Any possibility of treatment requires that they be separated from their hive-mind support apparatus; they cannot begin the process of accepting reality in the presence of encouragement towards delusion and irrationality. Separation may require the assistance of law enforcement.
If you have a friend or loved one suffering from TURD, urge them to seek treatment. Together we can beat this scourge, and Make America Great Again.
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Post by cyberobb99 on Jan 17, 2017 12:04:08 GMT -5
The only thing that you're right about is that they want their jobs back. In spite of what Liberal pundits and economists are proclaiming, it's actually going to be a couple of years or more before we know the degree of Trumps success in this area. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 13:01:10 GMT -5
The only thing that you're right about is that they want their jobs back. In spite of what Liberal pundits and economists are proclaiming, it's actually going to be a couple of years or more before we know the degree of Trumps success in this area. And there's your rub. I kept hearing Trump say over and over "on day 1" and "my 1st 100 days" while campaigning. In 2 years when midterms come up and no jobs yet. All these Democrats and independents who only voted for Trump for that reason. Who will they vote for?? In 4 years when little to virtually 0 of those jobs are back and the whole time the GOP has done nothing but gotten rid of health care for 20+ million people sending them back to the ER, gotten rid of gay rights and tried to make America a theocracy Who will they vote for?? |
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Post by bamorin on Jan 17, 2017 16:37:13 GMT -5
The only thing that you're right about is that they want their jobs back. In spite of what Liberal pundits and economists are proclaiming, it's actually going to be a couple of years or more before we know the degree of Trumps success in this area. And there's your rub. I kept hearing Trump say over and over "on day 1" and "my 1st 100 days" while campaigning. In 2 years when midterms come up and no jobs yet. All these Democrats and independents who only voted for Trump for that reason. Who will they vote for?? In 4 years when little to virtually 0 of those jobs are back and the whole time the GOP has done nothing but gotten rid of health care for 20+ million people sending them back to the ER, gotten rid of gay rights and tried to make America a theocracy Who will they vote for?? in the mean time Bayer, German Pharmaceutical giant, just said they plan to invest more than 8 billion in the US this coming year. if that is seen as salary, 160,000 additional people could be knocking down 50K a year. That's the size of a medium city. |
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Post by roxalot on Jan 17, 2017 17:01:43 GMT -5
The only thing that you're right about is that they want their jobs back. In spite of what Liberal pundits and economists are proclaiming, it's actually going to be a couple of years or more before we know the degree of Trumps success in this area. And there's your rub. I kept hearing Trump say over and over "on day 1" and "my 1st 100 days" while campaigning. In 2 years when midterms come up and no jobs yet. All these Democrats and independents who only voted for Trump for that reason. Who will they vote for?? In 4 years when little to virtually 0 of those jobs are back and the whole time the GOP has done nothing but gotten rid of health care for 20+ million people sending them back to the ER, gotten rid of gay rights and tried to make America a theocracy Who will they vote for?? Trump has done more for America as a president-elect than Obama has done as president. That said, I have a question you, you liberals claim Trump wants to destroy the gays, bring back slavery and do away with women's rights, My question is, when did Trump become a muslim..?... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 17:13:38 GMT -5
And there's your rub. I kept hearing Trump say over and over "on day 1" and "my 1st 100 days" while campaigning. In 2 years when midterms come up and no jobs yet. All these Democrats and independents who only voted for Trump for that reason. Who will they vote for?? In 4 years when little to virtually 0 of those jobs are back and the whole time the GOP has done nothing but gotten rid of health care for 20+ million people sending them back to the ER, gotten rid of gay rights and tried to make America a theocracy Who will they vote for?? Trump has done more for America as a president-elect than Obama has done as president. That said, I have a question you, you liberals claim Trump wants to destroy the gays, bring back slavery and do away with women's rights, My question is, when did Trump become a Republican ..?... FIFY And it was a few years ago. Let me ask you. Are you saying Republicans support gay rights? Women's rights aka abortion rights? Are you saying all the white supremacy groups didn't endorse Trump? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 17:14:38 GMT -5
And there's your rub. I kept hearing Trump say over and over "on day 1" and "my 1st 100 days" while campaigning. In 2 years when midterms come up and no jobs yet. All these Democrats and independents who only voted for Trump for that reason. Who will they vote for?? In 4 years when little to virtually 0 of those jobs are back and the whole time the GOP has done nothing but gotten rid of health care for 20+ million people sending them back to the ER, gotten rid of gay rights and tried to make America a theocracy Who will they vote for?? in the mean time Bayer, German Pharmaceutical giant, just said they plan to invest more than 8 billion in the US this coming year. if that is seen as salary, 160,000 additional people could be knocking down 50K a year. That's the size of a medium city. Sad part is you actually believe that money will go to middle class people |
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Post by bamorin on Jan 17, 2017 18:12:08 GMT -5
in the mean time Bayer, German Pharmaceutical giant, just said they plan to invest more than 8 billion in the US this coming year. if that is seen as salary, 160,000 additional people could be knocking down 50K a year. That's the size of a medium city. Sad part is you actually believe that money will go to middle class people Right, I can see Bill Gates digging the footer for the building with a small shovel. |
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