More proof I'm right

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Jan 18, 2017 13:09:40 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Jan 18, 2017 12:37:41 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

No they don't. 
You have no idea what a true Christian is, do you?
You should have stayed out of this one.  You failed with your first post.

Oh...so I see. So, radical Christians can't be lumped in with "true Christians", but it is ok to lump in all Muslims with radical Muslims....like you do...well, always...

Gee, makes perfect sense.

Wow. Another genius who doesn't understand that the Koran APPROVES OF and INSTRUCTS murder, while Christianity does NOT.  ALL muslims are instructed to kill.  The ones who do NOT kill are technically the radicals.  But you go ahead and see things backwards.   Nothing new there.

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Jan 18, 2017 13:36:36 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Jan 18, 2017 13:19:21 GMT -5 bamorin said:

you'll have to quote scripture and verse of what Jesus preached, compare that to people who follow scripture and verse of what Jesus preached, you know " true christians", to what is ordered in the Koran to its followers to do to those who do not follow. Those not following the preaching are not christians.

Is the Old Testament part of the Bible? Yes or no.

If yes, then you can look it up yourself as I am sure you have a pretty good idea of where it is located.

Don't start parsing Jesus from the Bible in order to justify distinctions.

The OT is NOT Christianity.   CHRISTIANITY is what we are discussing, and it began with the coming of Jesus Christ, NOT when the Bible began.
The Bible and Christianity are NOT synonymous.
You lose.
AGAIN.

[trnyerheadncough]

Jan 18, 2017 13:57:10 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Jan 18, 2017 13:36:36 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Is the Old Testament part of the Bible? Yes or no.

If yes, then you can look it up yourself as I am sure you have a pretty good idea of where it is located.

Don't start parsing Jesus from the Bible in order to justify distinctions.

The OT is NOT Christianity.   CHRISTIANITY is what we are discussing, and it began with the coming of Jesus Christ, NOT when the Bible began.
The Bible and Christianity are NOT synonymous.
You lose.
AGAIN.

Can you show me where Jesus said that the Old Testament can be disregarded?

[bamorin]

Jan 18, 2017 13:36:36 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Jan 18, 2017 13:19:21 GMT -5 bamorin said:

you'll have to quote scripture and verse of what Jesus preached, compare that to people who follow scripture and verse of what Jesus preached, you know " true christians", to what is ordered in the Koran to its followers to do to those who do not follow. Those not following the preaching are not christians.

Is the Old Testament part of the Bible? Yes or no.

If yes, then you can look it up yourself as I am sure you have a pretty good idea of where it is located.

Don't start parsing Jesus from the Bible in order to justify distinctions.

"Christians" are different than "bibletians"......old testament was replaced with the new testament.....old law, vs new law........and jesus was the new sheriff in town. back to the Koran......any passage or verse that says the previous passage about what to do with non-followers was replaced? Nope, didn't think so.

[trnyerheadncough]

Jan 18, 2017 14:32:29 GMT -5 bamorin said:

Jan 18, 2017 13:36:36 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Is the Old Testament part of the Bible? Yes or no.

If yes, then you can look it up yourself as I am sure you have a pretty good idea of where it is located.

Don't start parsing Jesus from the Bible in order to justify distinctions.

"Christians" are different than "bibletians"......old testament was replaced with the new testament.....old law, vs new law........and jesus was the new sheriff in town. back to the Koran......any passage or verse that says the previous passage about what to do with non-followers was replaced? Nope, didn't think so.

Can you show me where God or Jesus said that the Old Testament was no longer necessary and could be disregarded?

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Jan 18, 2017 14:29:23 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Jan 18, 2017 13:57:10 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

The OT is NOT Christianity.   CHRISTIANITY is what we are discussing, and it began with the coming of Jesus Christ, NOT when the Bible began.
The Bible and Christianity are NOT synonymous.
You lose.
AGAIN.

Can you show me where Jesus said that the Old Testament can be disregarded?

I can show you something more important:

Matthew 22:37-40   English Standard Version
37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Now what exactly do you think the underlined passage means?  As I said, Christians do NOT commit murder.
End of discussion.

[bamorin]

Jan 18, 2017 14:36:49 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Jan 18, 2017 14:32:29 GMT -5 bamorin said:

"Christians" are different than "bibletians"......old testament was replaced with the new testament.....old law, vs new law........and jesus was the new sheriff in town. back to the Koran......any passage or verse that says the previous passage about what to do with non-followers was replaced? Nope, didn't think so.

Can you show me where God or Jesus said that the Old Testament was no longer necessary and could be disregarded?

In those exact words?.......no, but "Eye for Eye" was replaced by him with "turn the other cheek".......new sheriff in town, new law.........ummmmmm figgure that's why there is an Old and a New?

still waiting on where in the Koran the law was changed.......(drumming my fingers)

[trnyerheadncough]

Jan 18, 2017 14:41:58 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Jan 18, 2017 14:29:23 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Can you show me where Jesus said that the Old Testament can be disregarded?

I can show you something more important:

Matthew 22:37-40   English Standard Version
37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Now what exactly do you think the underlined passage means?  As I said, Christians do NOT commit murder.
End of discussion.

So...nothing.

"Worship Allah and join none with him (in worship); and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, the poor, the neighbor who is near of kin, the neighbor who is stranger, the companion by your side, ... " [ Quran, chapter 4, verse 36]

Oh wait...I guess those words don't mean anything because they don't fit your narrative. Just like the Old Testament words don't mean anything....because they don't fit your narrative.

[trnyerheadncough]

Jan 18, 2017 14:47:37 GMT -5 bamorin said:

Jan 18, 2017 14:36:49 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Can you show me where God or Jesus said that the Old Testament was no longer necessary and could be disregarded?

In those exact words?.......no, but "Eye for Eye" was replaced by him with "turn the other cheek".......new sheriff in town, new law.........ummmmmm figgure that's why there is an Old and a New?

still waiting on where in the Koran the law was changed.......(drumming my fingers)

Still waiting for where Jesus said the Old Testament can be disregarded. Please let me know when you find it.

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Jan 18, 2017 14:54:33 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Jan 18, 2017 14:41:58 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

I can show you something more important:

Matthew 22:37-40   English Standard Version
37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Now what exactly do you think the underlined passage means?  As I said, Christians do NOT commit murder.
End of discussion.

So...nothing.

"Worship Allah and join none with him (in worship); and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, the poor, the neighbor who is near of kin, the neighbor who is stranger, the companion by your side, ... " [ Quran, chapter 4, verse 36]

Oh wait...I guess those words don't mean anything because they don't fit your narrative. Just like the Old Testament words don't mean anything....because they don't fit your narrative.

Too bad you are wrong.   I gave you all you need about Jesus.   Jesus didn't need 2000 words to get his meaning across, like an idiot lawyer does.

And you are wrong about Islam, too.
www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

And why did you omit the part that tells muslims to treat their slaves well?   You LIKE slavery, don't you?
Where does your precious Koran condemn slavery, Mustafa?

Pickthall: And serve Allah. Ascribe no thing as partner unto Him. (Show) kindness unto parents, and unto near kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and unto the neighbour who is of kin (unto you) and the neighbour who is not of kin, and the fellow-traveller and the wayfarer and (the slaves) whom your right hands possess. Lo! Allah loveth not such as are proud and boastful,

Yusuf Ali: Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;-

Shakir: And serve Allah and do not associate any thing with Him and be good to the parents and to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the neighbor of (your) kin and the alien neighbor, and the companion in a journey and the wayfarer and those whom your right hands possess; surely Allah does not love him who is proud, boastful;

Muhammad Sarwar: Worship God and consider no one equal to Him. Be kind to your parents, relatives, orphans, the destitute, your near and distant neighbors, your companions, wayfarers, and your slaves. God does not love the proud and boastful ones,

Mohsin Khan: Worship Allah and join none with Him in worship, and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, Al-Masakin (the poor), the neighbour who is near of kin, the neighbour who is a stranger, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (you meet), and those (slaves) whom your right hands possess. Verily, Allah does not like such as are proud and boastful;

[bamorin]

Jan 18, 2017 14:55:31 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Jan 18, 2017 14:47:37 GMT -5 bamorin said:

In those exact words?.......no, but "Eye for Eye" was replaced by him with "turn the other cheek".......new sheriff in town, new law.........ummmmmm figgure that's why there is an Old and a New?

still waiting on where in the Koran the law was changed.......(drumming my fingers)

Still waiting for where Jesus said the Old Testament can be disregarded. Please let me know when you find it.

I just did.........don't remember him saying to gouge somebody's eyes out.........the OT laws.......<~~~~<< laws

[trnyerheadncough]

Jan 18, 2017 15:30:16 GMT -5 bamorin said:

Jan 18, 2017 14:55:31 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Still waiting for where Jesus said the Old Testament can be disregarded. Please let me know when you find it.

I just did.........don't remember him saying to gouge somebody's eyes out.........the OT laws.......<~~~~<< laws

I see, so he didn't say anything, so they don't exist? Then what's all this nonsense about homosexuality being a sin and those people are going to hell?

[trnyerheadncough]

Jan 18, 2017 15:07:08 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Jan 18, 2017 14:54:33 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

So...nothing.

"Worship Allah and join none with him (in worship); and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, the poor, the neighbor who is near of kin, the neighbor who is stranger, the companion by your side, ... " [ Quran, chapter 4, verse 36]

Oh wait...I guess those words don't mean anything because they don't fit your narrative. Just like the Old Testament words don't mean anything....because they don't fit your narrative.

Too bad you are wrong.   I gave you all you need about Jesus.   Jesus didn't need 2000 words to get his meaning across, like an idiot lawyer does.

And you are wrong about Islam, too.
www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

And why did you omit the part that tells muslims to treat their slaves well?   You LIKE slavery, don't you?
Where does your precious Koran condemn slavery, Mustafa?

Pickthall: And serve Allah. Ascribe no thing as partner unto Him. (Show) kindness unto parents, and unto near kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and unto the neighbour who is of kin (unto you) and the neighbour who is not of kin, and the fellow-traveller and the wayfarer and (the slaves) whom your right hands possess. Lo! Allah loveth not such as are proud and boastful,

Yusuf Ali: Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;-

Shakir: And serve Allah and do not associate any thing with Him and be good to the parents and to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the neighbor of (your) kin and the alien neighbor, and the companion in a journey and the wayfarer and those whom your right hands possess; surely Allah does not love him who is proud, boastful;

Muhammad Sarwar: Worship God and consider no one equal to Him. Be kind to your parents, relatives, orphans, the destitute, your near and distant neighbors, your companions, wayfarers, and your slaves. God does not love the proud and boastful ones,

Mohsin Khan: Worship Allah and join none with Him in worship, and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, Al-Masakin (the poor), the neighbour who is near of kin, the neighbour who is a stranger, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (you meet), and those (slaves) whom your right hands possess. Verily, Allah does not like such as are proud and boastful;

I quoted a verse from the Koran that is very similar to the one you posted. Is it your contention that the particular verse that I quoted has no meaning?

Hmmm....ok.

And I'm still waiting for your quotes from Jesus about whether we can shitcan the Old Testament because you don't like what it has to say on a number of issues...

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Damn, trn... talk about not seeing the forest through the trees...

[trnyerheadncough]

Jan 18, 2017 15:58:51 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

Damn, trn... talk about not seeing the forest through the trees...

Holy shit...welcome to the show, Mrs. Irony.