More proof I'm right

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Jan 18, 2017 17:55:49 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes35 said:

Jan 18, 2017 17:50:56 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Matthew 19:5
5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ .............


Nowhere does He say a man shall become united with another man.   Use your BRAIN.   Jesus defined marriage as between a MAN and a WOMAN.
Pick up your dunce cap on the way out the door.

LOL. That's your proof???

Matthew 19:5. 
Pick up YOUR dunce cap as well.

[trnyerheadncough]

Jan 18, 2017 18:33:23 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Jan 18, 2017 18:01:16 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

lol. Where am I a hateful bitch? I have no quarrel with gay people or Muslims who merely want to live in peace without being grouped in with nutbars.

That's your MO.

I don't have any problem with homos, either, as long as they don't try to molest ME.   Muslimes, OTOH are driven by an evil religion that teaches them it is OK to murder people who are not like them.  Not some muslimes, ALL of them.   They all follow the same unholy Koran.   Those muslims who choose to disobey the Koran are fine by me, but don't kid yourself into thinking their religion is peaceful.

I gotta tell you, my interaction with all of you ignorant liberals is really starting to wear me down.  Life is too short to keep trying to rescue you from your own stupidity.

Well then, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, chief.

[Walter]

Jan 18, 2017 17:50:56 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Jan 18, 2017 17:19:40 GMT -5 Walter said:

So when a person says they don't want to bake a cake for gay people because it offends their Christian values to promote a lifestlye that is against God and evil, (or whatever they claim it to be), where in the New Testament does it say that, since any citation of the Old Testament is now completely irrelevant and to be disregarded?

Matthew 19:5
5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ .............


Nowhere does He say a man shall become united with another man.   Use your BRAIN.   Jesus defined marriage as between a MAN and a WOMAN.
Pick up your dunce cap on the way out the door.

That passage pretty convincingly explains to us the Christian teaching about divorce and remarriage. Apparently, not good and not Christian except to hard-hearted adulterers....but interestingly, he didn't address same-sex marriage. Why? The Pharisees, weren't asking about gay marriage.

Try again.

[Deleted]

Jan 18, 2017 18:40:56 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jan 18, 2017 17:50:56 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Matthew 19:5
5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ .............


Nowhere does He say a man shall become united with another man.   Use your BRAIN.   Jesus defined marriage as between a MAN and a WOMAN.
Pick up your dunce cap on the way out the door.

That passage pretty convincingly explains to us the Christian teaching about divorce and remarriage. Apparently, not good and not Christian except to hard-hearted adulterers....but interestingly, he didn't address same-sex marriage. Why? The Pharisees, weren't asking about gay marriage.

Try again.

Apparently there was no such thing as same sex marriage.   People back in that time had GOOD SENSE.

BTW, you folks who say the Old Testament is still relevant, read THIS:
Leviticus 20:13 ►
New International Version
"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

The Bible hath spoken!   You can't have it both ways, Binky.    So tell me .............  is the OT relevant today or not???

Check ...............
Mate
(but not with someone of the same sex)

[trnyerheadncough]

Jan 18, 2017 18:49:33 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Jan 18, 2017 18:40:56 GMT -5 Walter said:

That passage pretty convincingly explains to us the Christian teaching about divorce and remarriage. Apparently, not good and not Christian except to hard-hearted adulterers....but interestingly, he didn't address same-sex marriage. Why? The Pharisees, weren't asking about gay marriage.

Try again.

Apparently there was no such thing as same sex marriage.   People back in that time had GOOD SENSE.

BTW, you folks who say the Old Testament is still relevant, read THIS:
Leviticus 20:13 ►
New International Version
"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

The Bible hath spoken!   You can't have it both ways, Binky.    So tell me .............  is the OT relevant today or not???

Check ...............
Mate
(but not with someone of the same sex)

It amazes me that you're trotting this out as some sort of winning point. Those who mention the Old Testament now are merely remind you of your own stupid actions in the past when you've relied on Old Testament statements to justify your own bigotry.

Now that it's thrown back in your face, you claim it isn't relevant. Except when you say it is, like you have before.

The fact that it is being illustrated now isn't to claim the Old Testament is relevant. It is to highlight your glaring hypocrisy.

Unfortunately, your IQ is locked in an epic battle with your shoe size, or you'd be able to figure that out on your own...

[Deleted]

Jan 18, 2017 19:16:29 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

Jan 18, 2017 18:49:33 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Apparently there was no such thing as same sex marriage.   People back in that time had GOOD SENSE.

BTW, you folks who say the Old Testament is still relevant, read THIS:
Leviticus 20:13 ►
New International Version
"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

The Bible hath spoken!   You can't have it both ways, Binky.    So tell me .............  is the OT relevant today or not???

Check ...............
Mate
(but not with someone of the same sex)

It amazes me that you're trotting this out as some sort of winning point. Those who mention the Old Testament now are merely remind you of your own stupid actions in the past when you've relied on Old Testament statements to justify your own bigotry.

Now that it's thrown back in your face, you claim it isn't relevant. Except when you say it is, like you have before.

The fact that it is being illustrated now isn't to claim the Old Testament is relevant. It is to highlight your glaring hypocrisy.

Unfortunately, your IQ is locked in an epic battle with your shoe size, or you'd be able to figure that out on your own...

Your Alzheimer's is getting pretty bad.    I have NEVER said the OT is relevant now as far as God's law.    That's a fallacy you liberals lean on.  The OT is relevant as far as history and genealogy go, and that's it.
Since it is you clowns who insist the OT is still relevant, I showed you that the OT says homosexuality is a sin, punishable by DEATH.

So which way are you swinging, sweetheart?   Is the OT relevant or not?
Yes or no.

Sorry, toots, but bigotry is a liberal sickness, and I think you have a terminal case.

[roxalot]

Jan 18, 2017 17:40:03 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes35 said:

Jan 18, 2017 17:37:08 GMT -5 roxalot said:

ACCs support women but abortion and homosexuality go against Bible teachings.

Which?

Show me where in the bible it says that. New testimon only please. We've established in this thread that is the only bible a true Christian would follow

Our Creator is still the same one who created us. Sin is still sin. Just because we have been given a covenant through Jesus paying our ransom does not mean we should knowingly continue to commit these things that we know are not pleasing to our Creator.
Romans 5:9
Therefore, since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from wrath through Him!

Romans Chapter 1

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

In Luke chapter one, verses 36 and 41, we are told that Elisabeth conceived a "son" and that the "babe" leaped in her womb. God does not say that a "fetus" leaped in her womb! He says THE BABE leaped. This is the exact same word that God uses to describe Christ in the manger AFTER He is born (Luke 2:12, 16). In God eyes, an unborn babe and a newborn babe are the same. They are both living humans. Matthew 7:12, the Lord Jesus Christ said, "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."
Would it be your desire to suffer and die while someone traps you in a cage and literally tears your arms and legs from your body?
Abortion is a violation of the golden rule.
Abortion promotes the message that life is NOT so valuable, and that man can do as he pleases with it. How long will it be before our nation decides that the killing of elderly people and sick people is justifiable? Why stop there? How long will it be before it becomes lawful to kill Bible believers who refuse to conform to the world system? It won't be as long as you may think (Rev. 13:16-18; Rev. 20:4). Abortion devalues human life, and it pushes our nation a step closer to that wicked day when it becomes lawful to murder innocent people. Something to think about.

[Walter]

Jan 18, 2017 21:23:37 GMT -5 roxalot said:

Jan 18, 2017 17:40:03 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes35 said:

Which?

Show me where in the bible it says that. New testimon only please. We've established in this thread that is the only bible a true Christian would follow

Our Creator is still the same one who created us. Sin is still sin. Just because we have been given a covenant through Jesus paying our ransom does not mean we should knowingly continue to commit these things that we know are not pleasing to our Creator.
Romans 5:9
Therefore, since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from wrath through Him!

Romans Chapter 1

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

In Luke chapter one, verses 36 and 41, we are told that Elisabeth conceived a "son" and that the "babe" leaped in her womb. God does not say that a "fetus" leaped in her womb! He says THE BABE leaped. This is the exact same word that God uses to describe Christ in the manger AFTER He is born (Luke 2:12, 16). In God eyes, an unborn babe and a newborn babe are the same. They are both living humans. Matthew 7:12, the Lord Jesus Christ said, "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."
Would it be your desire to suffer and die while someone traps you in a cage and literally tears your arms and legs from your body?
Abortion is a violation of the golden rule.
Abortion promotes the message that life is NOT so valuable, and that man can do as he pleases with it. How long will it be before our nation decides that the killing of elderly people and sick people is justifiable? Why stop there? How long will it be before it becomes lawful to kill Bible believers who refuse to conform to the world system? It won't be as long as you may think (Rev. 13:16-18; Rev. 20:4). Abortion devalues human life, and it pushes our nation a step closer to that wicked day when it becomes lawful to murder innocent people. Something to think about.

Well said. I don't agree with it or the supposed extrapolation of the thought you added, but I get and do respect your POV.

[lz2112]

I'm trying to stay away from the political crap, but haven't made it past the first step.

This crap about "true" Christians being peaceful and never causing carnage is bullshit. It is the "true" Christian fanatics who are most fanatical and adhere to Biblical adherence to both the Old and New Testament however they interpret it. It is no different than the fanatical "true" Muslims who interpret the Koran in the same way.

That said, Muslim fanatics have caused a hell of a lot more problems for our country than Christian fanatics, and it is mind boggling that some equate the two. Islam, as an organized religion, didn't really get going until about 600 AD, which would place it's evolution to where Christians were during the Inquisitions. Islam is due for a Reformation like Christianity had.

I agree with many on the left that Religion as a whole is not good for mankind, but unfortunately, most of mankind needs a God to sustain their daily lives, and those of us who don't understand that need need to accept that reality, not ridicule the beliefs.

And we should also recognize which of the Religions have the most fanatics intent on killing us, regardless of belief.

[trnyerheadncough]

Jan 19, 2017 1:59:37 GMT -5 lz2112 said:

I'm trying to stay away from the political crap, but haven't made it past the first step.

This crap about "true" Christians being peaceful and never causing carnage is bullshit. It is the "true" Christian fanatics who are most fanatical and adhere to Biblical adherence to both the Old and New Testament however they interpret it. It is no different than the fanatical "true" Muslims who interpret the Koran in the same way.

That said, Muslim fanatics have caused a hell of a lot more problems for our country than Christian fanatics, and it is mind boggling that some equate the two. Islam, as an organized religion, didn't really get going until about 600 AD, which would place it's evolution to where Christians were during the Inquisitions. Islam is due for a Reformation like Christianity had.

I agree with many on the left that Religion as a whole is not good for mankind, but unfortunately, most of mankind needs a God to sustain their daily lives, and those of us who don't understand that need need to accept that reality, not ridicule the beliefs.

And we should also recognize which of the Religions have the most fanatics intent on killing us, regardless of belief.

I agree 100% with this, so long as we don't start presuming or speaking as if the one causing the most trouble is nothing but troublemakers, and the one causing the least trouble is nothing but peacemakers. Citing certain lines of scripture to justify that position while ignoring the parts that don't fit that narrative when it suits them is what I took issue with.

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Jan 18, 2017 21:23:37 GMT -5 roxalot said:

Jan 18, 2017 17:40:03 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes35 said:

Which?

Show me where in the bible it says that. New testimon only please. We've established in this thread that is the only bible a true Christian would follow

Our Creator is still the same one who created us. Sin is still sin. Just because we have been given a covenant through Jesus paying our ransom does not mean we should knowingly continue to commit these things that we know are not pleasing to our Creator.
Romans 5:9
Therefore, since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from wrath through Him!

Romans Chapter 1

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

In Luke chapter one, verses 36 and 41, we are told that Elisabeth conceived a "son" and that the "babe" leaped in her womb. God does not say that a "fetus" leaped in her womb! He says THE BABE leaped. This is the exact same word that God uses to describe Christ in the manger AFTER He is born (Luke 2:12, 16). In God eyes, an unborn babe and a newborn babe are the same. They are both living humans. Matthew 7:12, the Lord Jesus Christ said, "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."
Would it be your desire to suffer and die while someone traps you in a cage and literally tears your arms and legs from your body?
Abortion is a violation of the golden rule.
Abortion promotes the message that life is NOT so valuable, and that man can do as he pleases with it. How long will it be before our nation decides that the killing of elderly people and sick people is justifiable? Why stop there? How long will it be before it becomes lawful to kill Bible believers who refuse to conform to the world system? It won't be as long as you may think (Rev. 13:16-18; Rev. 20:4). Abortion devalues human life, and it pushes our nation a step closer to that wicked day when it becomes lawful to murder innocent people. Something to think about.

I'm a atheist. So I really don't care.

That said believe in what you want. I don't care what people believe. However when those beliefs make you want to take away rights from other people that's where I draw the line.

[Deleted]

Jan 18, 2017 18:33:23 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Jan 18, 2017 18:01:16 GMT -5 trnyerheadncough said:

lol. Where am I a hateful bitch? I have no quarrel with gay people or Muslims who merely want to live in peace without being grouped in with nutbars.

That's your MO.

I don't have any problem with homos, either, as long as they don't try to molest ME.   Muslimes, OTOH are driven by an evil religion that teaches them it is OK to murder people who are not like them.  Not some muslimes, ALL of them.   They all follow the same unholy Koran.   Those muslims who choose to disobey the Koran are fine by me, but don't kid yourself into thinking their religion is peaceful.

I gotta tell you, my interaction with all of you ignorant liberals is really starting to wear me down.  Life is too short to keep trying to rescue you from your own stupidity.

You're right. Life is too short to keep trying to rescue you from your own bigotry and hatred

[bamorin]

Jan 18, 2017 18:34:37 GMT -5 @muttmk2 said:

Matthew 19:5. 

Thanks for making my point

That's what Matthew said on the subject......following that, is not following what Jesus said on the subject(s)
which is exactly what?

[roxalot]

Jan 19, 2017 6:03:19 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes35 said:

Jan 18, 2017 21:23:37 GMT -5 roxalot said:

Our Creator is still the same one who created us. Sin is still sin. Just because we have been given a covenant through Jesus paying our ransom does not mean we should knowingly continue to commit these things that we know are not pleasing to our Creator.
Romans 5:9
Therefore, since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from wrath through Him!

Romans Chapter 1

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

In Luke chapter one, verses 36 and 41, we are told that Elisabeth conceived a "son" and that the "babe" leaped in her womb. God does not say that a "fetus" leaped in her womb! He says THE BABE leaped. This is the exact same word that God uses to describe Christ in the manger AFTER He is born (Luke 2:12, 16). In God eyes, an unborn babe and a newborn babe are the same. They are both living humans. Matthew 7:12, the Lord Jesus Christ said, "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."
Would it be your desire to suffer and die while someone traps you in a cage and literally tears your arms and legs from your body?
Abortion is a violation of the golden rule.
Abortion promotes the message that life is NOT so valuable, and that man can do as he pleases with it. How long will it be before our nation decides that the killing of elderly people and sick people is justifiable? Why stop there? How long will it be before it becomes lawful to kill Bible believers who refuse to conform to the world system? It won't be as long as you may think (Rev. 13:16-18; Rev. 20:4). Abortion devalues human life, and it pushes our nation a step closer to that wicked day when it becomes lawful to murder innocent people. Something to think about.

I'm a atheist. So I really don't care.

That's all you had to say. Just remember, if not for our Creator, there would be no atheists.

[roxalot]

Jan 18, 2017 23:17:25 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jan 18, 2017 21:23:37 GMT -5 roxalot said:

Our Creator is still the same one who created us. Sin is still sin. Just because we have been given a covenant through Jesus paying our ransom does not mean we should knowingly continue to commit these things that we know are not pleasing to our Creator.
Romans 5:9
Therefore, since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from wrath through Him!

Romans Chapter 1

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

In Luke chapter one, verses 36 and 41, we are told that Elisabeth conceived a "son" and that the "babe" leaped in her womb. God does not say that a "fetus" leaped in her womb! He says THE BABE leaped. This is the exact same word that God uses to describe Christ in the manger AFTER He is born (Luke 2:12, 16). In God eyes, an unborn babe and a newborn babe are the same. They are both living humans. Matthew 7:12, the Lord Jesus Christ said, "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."
Would it be your desire to suffer and die while someone traps you in a cage and literally tears your arms and legs from your body?
Abortion is a violation of the golden rule.
Abortion promotes the message that life is NOT so valuable, and that man can do as he pleases with it. How long will it be before our nation decides that the killing of elderly people and sick people is justifiable? Why stop there? How long will it be before it becomes lawful to kill Bible believers who refuse to conform to the world system? It won't be as long as you may think (Rev. 13:16-18; Rev. 20:4). Abortion devalues human life, and it pushes our nation a step closer to that wicked day when it becomes lawful to murder innocent people. Something to think about.

Well said. I don't agree with it or the supposed extrapolation of the thought you added, but I get and do respect your POV.

So we differ... but please answer this, where in the Holy Bible does our Creator condone homosexuality or abortion?.. The only ways I can think of where it may be is in the case of rape, incest or the mother's health is in great peril. Correct me if I'm wrong.