ONE of the reasons I'm just not interested...

[Buckeye Dale]

SMH

www.facebook.com/NBAONTNT/videos/10157181531480724/

[cbisbig]

Not really a big fan of the NBA either.
Enjoyed the Bad boy pistons and prime time Lakers and most of the Jordan years then lost interest. Can't stand Lebron James

[mscott59]

Feb 15, 2017 9:18:45 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Not really a big fan of the NBA either.
Enjoyed the Bad boy pistons and prime time Lakers and most of the Jordan years then lost interest. Can't stand Lebron James

liked the pistons who had enforcers like laimbeer/rodman who basically did nothing but foul (and clear the way for thomas, dumars, johnson et al) but hate lebron? interesting... why? well, rodman certainly could rebound, i give him that.

[cbisbig]

Feb 15, 2017 12:36:38 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Feb 15, 2017 9:18:45 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Not really a big fan of the NBA either.
Enjoyed the Bad boy pistons and prime time Lakers and most of the Jordan years then lost interest. Can't stand Lebron James

liked the pistons who had enforcers like laimbeer/rodman who basically did nothing but foul (and clear the way for thomas, dumars, johnson et al) but hate lebron? interesting... why? well, rodman certainly could rebound, i give him that.

James, imo, is exactly what Barkley said he is. He summed it up perfectly.
Rodman was a great rebounder and I think defensive mvp at least once. I also think he had some productive years as a bull. Big fan of the Worm

[mscott59]

Feb 15, 2017 13:46:56 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Feb 15, 2017 12:36:38 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

liked the pistons who had enforcers like laimbeer/rodman who basically did nothing but foul (and clear the way for thomas, dumars, johnson et al) but hate lebron? interesting... why? well, rodman certainly could rebound, i give him that.

James, imo, is exactly what Barkley said he is. He summed it up perfectly.
Rodman was a great rebounder and I think defensive mvp at least once. I also think he had some productive years as a bull. Big fan of the Worm

barkley disagreed w/james taking a shot at a player on a personal level, of course, after calling him 'whiny'. lmao. i like chuck's frankness on nba coverage, but its certainly not like he's beyond reproach, especially with some of the things he did in his earlier days. they're human... james didn't like something chuck said and fired back and went overboard. you know, like what happens here on an hourly basis. lol but players today are different from players in the 90s, and players in the 70s think players in the 90s were softer. that's human athlete nature, too.

[cbisbig]

Feb 15, 2017 14:10:28 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Feb 15, 2017 13:46:56 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

James, imo, is exactly what Barkley said he is. He summed it up perfectly.
Rodman was a great rebounder and I think defensive mvp at least once. I also think he had some productive years as a bull. Big fan of the Worm

barkley disagreed w/james taking a shot at a player on a personal level, of course, after calling him 'whiny'. lmao. i like chuck's frankness on nba coverage, but its certainly not like he's beyond reproach, especially with some of the things he did in his earlier days. they're human... james didn't like something chuck said and fired back and went overboard. you know, like what happens here on an hourly basis. lol but players today are different from players in the 90s, and players in the 70s think players in the 90s were softer. that's human athlete nature, too.

ANother thing is his strong arming of the owner and upper management with his pushing of them to spend more money on players and the way he had the last coach ousted . I would expect you to defend a fellow Ohioan, but from a neutral observer he does seem like a whiney prima donna. And he'll never accomplish what Jordon or Kobe did winning rings imo

Inappropriate. Whiny. All of the above," Barkley said of James then. "The Cleveland Cavaliers, they have given him everything he wanted. They have the highest payroll in NBA history. He wanted J.R. Smith last summer, they paid him. He wanted [Iman] Shumpert last summer. They brought in Kyle Korver. He's [LeBron] the best player in the world. Does he want all of the good players? He don't want to compete? He is an amazing player. They're the defending champs."
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18594287/charles-barkley-laughs-lebron-james-barbs-says-continue-speak-mind

[mscott59]

Feb 15, 2017 14:40:29 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Feb 15, 2017 14:10:28 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

barkley disagreed w/james taking a shot at a player on a personal level, of course, after calling him 'whiny'. lmao. i like chuck's frankness on nba coverage, but its certainly not like he's beyond reproach, especially with some of the things he did in his earlier days. they're human... james didn't like something chuck said and fired back and went overboard. you know, like what happens here on an hourly basis. lol but players today are different from players in the 90s, and players in the 70s think players in the 90s were softer. that's human athlete nature, too.

ANother thing is his strong arming of the owner and upper management with his pushing of them to spend more money on players and the way he had the last coach ousted . I would expect you to defend a fellow Ohioan, but from a neutral observer he does seem like a whiney prima donna. And he'll never accomplish what Jordon or Kobe did winning rings imo

Inappropriate. Whiny. All of the above," Barkley said of James then. "The Cleveland Cavaliers, they have given him everything he wanted. They have the highest payroll in NBA history. He wanted J.R. Smith last summer, they paid him. He wanted [Iman] Shumpert last summer. They brought in Kyle Korver. He's [LeBron] the best player in the world. Does he want all of the good players? He don't want to compete? He is an amazing player. They're the defending champs."
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18594287/charles-barkley-laughs-lebron-james-barbs-says-continue-speak-mind

lmao. are you taking barkley's side due to his sec heritage? jeez. barkley shared an opinion about something he never had the ability to experience as a player. james didn't like it. big deal. does lebron want all of the good players? like smith, shumpert and korver are the best in the league? that's a silly thing to say. but it's opinion. as for the james will never be michael or kobe? lebron has taken his team to 7 nba finals, including the last 6. neither jordan nor bryant accomplished that in their career. james has 3 rings... not many in the league today have that many. and your indignation about players influencing owners, coaches, etc? lmao again... magic did that to westhead out in la AFTER THEY WON A TITLE! and that was over 35 years ago. owners know that fans don't flock to arenas because of who's in suits on the bench. what player in today's nba wouldn't share their opinion about how to maximize their team? holding that against james because he has that kind of influence right now is pretty petty.

[cbisbig]

Feb 15, 2017 15:02:12 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Feb 15, 2017 14:40:29 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

ANother thing is his strong arming of the owner and upper management with his pushing of them to spend more money on players and the way he had the last coach ousted . I would expect you to defend a fellow Ohioan, but from a neutral observer he does seem like a whiney prima donna. And he'll never accomplish what Jordon or Kobe did winning rings imo

Inappropriate. Whiny. All of the above," Barkley said of James then. "The Cleveland Cavaliers, they have given him everything he wanted. They have the highest payroll in NBA history. He wanted J.R. Smith last summer, they paid him. He wanted [Iman] Shumpert last summer. They brought in Kyle Korver. He's [LeBron] the best player in the world. Does he want all of the good players? He don't want to compete? He is an amazing player. They're the defending champs."
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18594287/charles-barkley-laughs-lebron-james-barbs-says-continue-speak-mind

lmao. are you taking barkley's side due to his sec heritage? jeez. barkley shared an opinion about something he never had the ability to experience as a player. james didn't like it. big deal. does lebron want all of the good players? like smith, shumpert and korver are the best in the league? that's a silly thing to say. but it's opinion. as for the james will never be michael or kobe? lebron has taken his team to 7 nba finals, including the last 6. neither jordan nor bryant accomplished that in their career. james has 3 rings... not many in the league today have that many. and your indignation about players influencing owners, coaches, etc? lmao again... magic did that to westhead out in la AFTER THEY WON A TITLE! and that was over 35 years ago. owners know that fans don't flock to arenas because of who's in suits on the bench. what player in today's nba wouldn't share their opinion about how to maximize their team? holding that against james because he has that kind of influence right now is pretty petty.

Are you taking James side because of his Ohio heritage?
So James is 3-4 in Nba championships, Kobe has 5 rings and 3 peated once and two peated once. Jordon has 6 rings and 3 peated twice. Hell even Robert Horry, John Sally, Will Perdue have more rings than LJ.
You're entitled to your opinion, mine is Lebron is just what Barkly says and I heard Jalen Rose in an interview on Mike and Mike basically in a nice way, agree with Barkly.

[mscott59]

Feb 16, 2017 7:39:34 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Feb 15, 2017 15:02:12 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

lmao. are you taking barkley's side due to his sec heritage? jeez. barkley shared an opinion about something he never had the ability to experience as a player. james didn't like it. big deal. does lebron want all of the good players? like smith, shumpert and korver are the best in the league? that's a silly thing to say. but it's opinion. as for the james will never be michael or kobe? lebron has taken his team to 7 nba finals, including the last 6. neither jordan nor bryant accomplished that in their career. james has 3 rings... not many in the league today have that many. and your indignation about players influencing owners, coaches, etc? lmao again... magic did that to westhead out in la AFTER THEY WON A TITLE! and that was over 35 years ago. owners know that fans don't flock to arenas because of who's in suits on the bench. what player in today's nba wouldn't share their opinion about how to maximize their team? holding that against james because he has that kind of influence right now is pretty petty.

Are you taking James side because of his Ohio heritage?
So James is 3-4 in Nba championships, Kobe has 5 rings and 3 peated once and two peated once. Jordon has 6 rings and 3 peated twice. Hell even Robert Horry, John Sally, Will Perdue have more rings than LJ.
You're entitled to your opinion, mine is Lebron is just what Barkly says and I heard Jalen Rose in an interview on Mike and Mike basically in a nice way, agree with Barkly.

no. i look at lebron from a big picture perspective. you think he's a diva, i see him, in his 14th year and being recognized as the best in the game, as being a guy who yet again is at/near the top of minutes played. whiners don't do that. he answers the bell, he plays thru injuries, he's human and he's done things i disagree with, but overall he's handled himself and his fame from an incredibly young age quite well. he's wanted to be surrounded with the best possible cast... why anyone is criticizing him for that is beyond me. kevin love going down w/a knee injury requiring surgery only emphasizes james' point.

as for horry, salley and perdue having more rings? yep, all were various degrees of minor contributors to their teams (tho horry if i recall did hit a game winner for the lakers one year). positioning those 3 like they're somehow better than james is hilarious. james has carried his team, be it the cavs or the heat, in a way that puts him in pretty rare air, along the lines of bryant and jordan and duncan and magic and larry over the last 30-40 years.

like i said, i like barkley. he's extremely entertaining on tv. what he says is not gospel. and i would think that you, of all people here, would classify james taking his teams to 6 straight nba finals, winning half of them, as worth of being called a dynasty in today's pro game.

[cbisbig]

Feb 16, 2017 10:52:37 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Feb 16, 2017 7:39:34 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Are you taking James side because of his Ohio heritage?
So James is 3-4 in Nba championships, Kobe has 5 rings and 3 peated once and two peated once. Jordon has 6 rings and 3 peated twice. Hell even Robert Horry, John Sally, Will Perdue have more rings than LJ.
You're entitled to your opinion, mine is Lebron is just what Barkly says and I heard Jalen Rose in an interview on Mike and Mike basically in a nice way, agree with Barkly.

like i said, i like barkley. he's extremely entertaining on tv. what he says is not gospel. and i would think that you, of all people here, would classify james taking his teams to 6 straight nba finals, winning half of them, as worth of being called a dynasty in today's pro game.

SO you're calling LJ a dynasty? His 3 wins came with two different teams, and he had better cast in Miami imo. Jordon and the Bulls, Magic, Worthy, Jabbar lakers, Russels Celtics, Bird , Parrish, Ainge Celtics. Those were dynastys. The Cavs would have to win 3 straight to achieve that lofty status imo

[oujour76]

Feb 16, 2017 15:32:35 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Feb 16, 2017 10:52:37 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

like i said, i like barkley. he's extremely entertaining on tv. what he says is not gospel. and i would think that you, of all people here, would classify james taking his teams to 6 straight nba finals, winning half of them, as worth of being called a dynasty in today's pro game.

SO you're calling LJ a dynasty? His 3 wins came with two different teams, and he had better cast in Miami imo. Jordon and the Bulls, Magic, Worthy, Jabbar lakers, Russels Celtics, Bird , Parrish, Ainge Celtics. Those were dynastys. The Cavs would have to win 3 straight to achieve that lofty status imo

My two cents fwiw...Except for Magic and Bird, I would take Lebron James over any other player. Very few players have his combination of skills and size. AFAIC, right now that list pretty much starts and ends with Magic and Bird. BTW, if 3 straight titles defines dynasty, Bird's Celtics don't qualify as they never even went back-to-back.

[cbisbig]

Feb 16, 2017 15:48:16 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Feb 16, 2017 15:32:35 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

SO you're calling LJ a dynasty? His 3 wins came with two different teams, and he had better cast in Miami imo. Jordon and the Bulls, Magic, Worthy, Jabbar lakers, Russels Celtics, Bird , Parrish, Ainge Celtics. Those were dynastys. The Cavs would have to win 3 straight to achieve that lofty status imo

My two cents fwiw...Except for Magic and Bird, I would take Lebron James over any other player. Very few players have his combination of skills and size. AFAIC, right now that list pretty much starts and ends with Magic and Bird. BTW, if 3 straight titles defines dynasty, Bird's Celtics don't qualify as they never even went back-to-back.

I stand corrected on Bird.
Don't know how you can't include Jordon though

[mscott59]

Feb 16, 2017 15:32:35 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Feb 16, 2017 10:52:37 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

like i said, i like barkley. he's extremely entertaining on tv. what he says is not gospel. and i would think that you, of all people here, would classify james taking his teams to 6 straight nba finals, winning half of them, as worth of being called a dynasty in today's pro game.

SO you're calling LJ a dynasty? His 3 wins came with two different teams, and he had better cast in Miami imo. Jordon and the Bulls, Magic, Worthy, Jabbar lakers, Russels Celtics, Bird , Parrish, Ainge Celtics. Those were dynastys. The Cavs would have to win 3 straight to achieve that lofty status imo

i think you missed my dynasty joke intention/connection there. oh well i'm not calling james a dynasty. individuals aren't dynasties in team sports. but he's taken two different teams, with much different makeups, to 6 straight nba finals. jordan never did that. kobe/shaq didn't. any of your bad boys from detroit didn't. magic/kareen made 4 straight, as did bird w/the celtics. wilt, elgin and my all-time fave, the logo, jerry west, didn't. you have to go back to bill russell and his crew in boston to find players/stars who took their team/teams to as many (10 straight from '57-'66... a TRUE dynasty-lol). that's my point. name me a player, in any sport let alone hoops, who could effectively play any position on the court/field. it's a mighty short list. lebron's on it, does it almost nightly, everything form the point to the post, and amongst today's athletes imho he's at the top of it. and you don't achieve that kind of lofty level when whining is your strongest quality.

on that note, i'll move on. you can have the last word if you like..

[oujour76]

Feb 16, 2017 15:51:54 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Feb 16, 2017 15:48:16 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

My two cents fwiw...Except for Magic and Bird, I would take Lebron James over any other player. Very few players have his combination of skills and size. AFAIC, right now that list pretty much starts and ends with Magic and Bird. BTW, if 3 straight titles defines dynasty, Bird's Celtics don't qualify as they never even went back-to-back.

I stand corrected on Bird.
Don't know how you can't include Jordon though

James, Magic and Bird could pretty much play any position on the floor if they needed to do so. They could bring the ball down the court, bang under the rim if need be and do it on a regular basis. Jordan had the skill set, but not the size. JMO. Bird and Magic were both 6-9, James is 6-8. That's the difference for me.

[cbisbig]

Feb 16, 2017 16:16:31 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Feb 16, 2017 15:51:54 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

I stand corrected on Bird.
Don't know how you can't include Jordon though

James, Magic and Bird could pretty much play any position on the floor if they needed to do so. They could bring the ball down the court, bang under the rim if need be and do it on a regular basis. Jordan had the skill set, but not the size. JMO. Bird and Magic were both 6-9, James is 6-8. That's the difference for me.

Jordon dominated even when he was sick with the flu.




Now those were the days in the Nba, not as good a product today imo