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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 18:31:30 GMT -5
You know better than that. If you knew, you would have instantly announced it. It's not like it's top secret info or anything.
I don't know the first thing about disassembling an AR, other than I think there are 2 pins that have to be removed to separate the upper from the lower. I have no problem admitting I don't know everything. I'm not gonna take a gun apart unless I know what I am doing.
Nossir. I am not professorial and the last word on all things guns based mainly on my own opinion. If I wanted to post a dissertation on how to disassemble a 1911 I would've done so. I have no personal problem that compels me to constantly prove that I am the smartest person on the board. That honor is reserved for 4 or 5 other members here. Some actually always know what they're about before they post... Not that I'm saying you don't know how to disassemble a 1911... Lots of people do, duh.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 19:35:42 GMT -5
You know better than that. If you knew, you would have instantly announced it. It's not like it's top secret info or anything.
I don't know the first thing about disassembling an AR, other than I think there are 2 pins that have to be removed to separate the upper from the lower. I have no problem admitting I don't know everything. I'm not gonna take a gun apart unless I know what I am doing.
Nossir. I am not professorial and the last word on all things guns based mainly on my own opinion. If I wanted to post a dissertation on how to disassemble a 1911 I would've done so. I have no personal problem that compels me to constantly prove that I am the smartest person on the board. That honor is reserved for 4 or 5 other members here. Some actually always know what they're about before they post... Not that I'm saying you don't know how to disassemble a 1911... Lots of people do, duh. You are quite wrong, which is not good. I posted the original thing in the interest of educating those who might care and didn't know, and as a matter of showing the genius of John Browning. Who else would think of designing a gun's parts so that it could cannibalize itself? Is there any other gun out there that has that capability? I don't know, because I sure as hell don't know every gun in the world.
Now ............. to save myself an hour of typing, I offer this for the curious:www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/toolbox.htmAs the article notes, some gun manufacturers have strayed from Browning's original design, such as using hex screws to hold the grips on, adding a completely useless recoil spring guide rod, and other shit. That is not the fault of JMB. A recoil spring guide rod does nothing but add friction to the gun's operation, and make money for its manufacturer. The recoil spring has nowhere to go during operation to be bent, jammed, or in any other way malfunction.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 19:48:18 GMT -5
Nossir. I am not professorial and the last word on all things guns based mainly on my own opinion. If I wanted to post a dissertation on how to disassemble a 1911 I would've done so. I have no personal problem that compels me to constantly prove that I am the smartest person on the board. That honor is reserved for 4 or 5 other members here. Some actually always know what they're about before they post... Not that I'm saying you don't know how to disassemble a 1911... Lots of people do, duh. You are quite wrong, which is not good. I posted the original thing in the interest of educating those who might care and didn't know, and as a matter of showing the genius of John Browning. Who else would think of designing a gun's parts so that it could cannibalize itself? Is there any other gun out there that has that capability? I don't know, because I sure as hell don't know every gun in the world.
Now ............. to save myself an hour of typing, I offer this for the curious:www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/toolbox.htmAs the article notes, some gun manufacturers have strayed from Browning's original design, such as using hex screws to hold the grips on, adding a completely useless recoil spring guide rod, and other shit. That is not the fault of JMB. A recoil spring guide rod does nothing but add friction to the gun's operation, and make money for its manufacturer. The recoil spring has nowhere to go during operation to be bent, jammed, or in any other way malfunction.Old slabsides is a wonder of invention, that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 20:50:47 GMT -5
You are quite wrong, which is not good. I posted the original thing in the interest of educating those who might care and didn't know, and as a matter of showing the genius of John Browning. Who else would think of designing a gun's parts so that it could cannibalize itself? Is there any other gun out there that has that capability? I don't know, because I sure as hell don't know every gun in the world.
Now ............. to save myself an hour of typing, I offer this for the curious:www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/toolbox.htmAs the article notes, some gun manufacturers have strayed from Browning's original design, such as using hex screws to hold the grips on, adding a completely useless recoil spring guide rod, and other shit. That is not the fault of JMB. A recoil spring guide rod does nothing but add friction to the gun's operation, and make money for its manufacturer. The recoil spring has nowhere to go during operation to be bent, jammed, or in any other way malfunction. Old slabsides is a wonder of invention, that's for sure. Yes it is, and until someone invents the one-handed death ray, the 1911 will still be in service somewhere, at least by civilians. And you don't have to "settle" for .45 ACP, obviously. 9MM, 10MM, .40S&W. .38 Super, .22LR, and probably a whole bunch of wildcat rounds are available. It is probably the most modified handgun ever. Check out Brownell's for all the 1911 parts available.
As a traditionalist, I love the 1911, but as a realist, I have come to really like the revolver simplicity of the Glock, too. Once you charge it, there are zero controls to worry about other than the trigger. If you happen to slightly mishold it, there is no grip safety to stop you from firing it. Like the 1911, it can be fired with no magazine in place.
I hate to admit it, but because of its simplicity, lighter weight and smaller size, and larger mag capacity, I will keep carrying my 30S concealed.
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Post by daleko on Mar 26, 2017 23:49:23 GMT -5
Is the rim of a .45 casing considered a tool? One down, two to go, Mutt. What other tools would you need to fully disassemble a JB 1911? You're the oracle (girlie boy) so tell the little people all about it, snart guy™. Good guess. No, a .45 ACP shell casing is not a tool, although it can be used as one. Now find the rest of the items needed. Definition of Tool by Merriam-Webster www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tool 1a : a handheld device that aids in accomplishing a task
It becomes a tool when it is used in accomplishing a task. As would a magazine or any part taken off the firearm that could then be used to take apart something else. <Shrug> A box of rocks is just a box of rocks until, depending on the rock, you use it for some kind of tool and make something else out of it. Willie is mostly just a box of rocks but he is also a tool.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 0:07:43 GMT -5
Good guess. No, a .45 ACP shell casing is not a tool, although it can be used as one. Now find the rest of the items needed. Definition of Tool by Merriam-Webster www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tool 1a : a handheld device that aids in accomplishing a task
It becomes a tool when it is used in accomplishing a task. As would a magazine or any part taken off the firearm that could then be used to take apart something else. <Shrug> A box of rocks is just a box of rocks until, depending on the rock, you use it for some kind of tool and make something else out of it. Willie is mostly just a box of rocks but he is also a tool. A screwdriver is a tool dedicated to be used as a TOOL. The three leaf spring of the 1911 is not. But it is a vital piece of the gun that can be used as a tool. Same with the hammer strut. The parts of the 1911 are deliberately designed as tools to be used, if you have no others. A rock is not a designed tool, and it is useless as a screwdriver. It could be used as a hammer, but 1911's don't require being hammered on.
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Post by AlaCowboy on Mar 28, 2017 13:33:10 GMT -5
Here's your claim again. This is about you, not me so stop trying to backpeddle girlie boy. You lose, Trn and I win. Have a nice day! OK, let me rephrase the question for people who don't know anything about Colt 1911's and their clones ........... How many tools are required to strip a 1911 of all its parts except the plunger tube, ejector, and grip screw bushings, which are normally NEVER changed out? NOW can you answer the question? Come on son, I'm giving you every chance in the world.
Here's a hint: John Browning designed the 1911's grip screws with concave screwdriver slots in them instead of conventional flat bottomed slots for a good reason. Don't you know that FRed can take any weapon apart FULLY without tools even while holding his breath at the bottom of his gun storage lake. Can YOU do that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 14:51:33 GMT -5
OK, let me rephrase the question for people who don't know anything about Colt 1911's and their clones ........... How many tools are required to strip a 1911 of all its parts except the plunger tube, ejector, and grip screw bushings, which are normally NEVER changed out? NOW can you answer the question? Come on son, I'm giving you every chance in the world.
Here's a hint: John Browning designed the 1911's grip screws with concave screwdriver slots in them instead of conventional flat bottomed slots for a good reason. Don't you know that FRed can take any weapon apart FULLY without tools even while holding his breath at the bottom of his gun storage lake. Can YOU do that? Well, actually, no ........... I can't.
I have no doubt Fred can take any gun apart. Screwdriver, pin punch, hammer and chisel will disassemble just about anything. The problem is, he has no clue how to put them back together, just like any other child!
That reminds me of my uncle when his Alzheimer's started hitting him. I would go to visit and find watches, electric razors, and all sorts of things taken apart. Pieces would be missing, or it would be something I had no idea how to repair. And he wouldn't remember how they had gotten into that condition.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 14:57:21 GMT -5
I must admit that I've never taken a Ruger Mark I thru III apart, nor would I want to for fear of not being able to put it back together.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 15:13:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 19:56:50 GMT -5
Notice I didn't say 'fully'?
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Post by daleko on Mar 28, 2017 22:08:00 GMT -5
I must admit that I've never taken a Ruger Mark I thru III apart, Don't and no need to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 22:58:02 GMT -5
Notice I didn't say 'fully'? You didn't say "field strip" either. "Taking apart" usually means disassembling and breaking down into small components or individual pieces. It doesn't necessarily mean stripping the frame bare.
You have to remove the trigger/hammer group from the Mini-14 to break it down, and then remove individual parts from the receiver to remove the bolt and operating rod, but you don't have to take the trigger group apart. Is the gun disassembled or not?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 8:17:14 GMT -5
Notice I didn't say 'fully'? You didn't say "field strip" either. "Taking apart" usually means disassembling and breaking down into small components or individual pieces. It doesn't necessarily mean stripping the frame bare.
You have to remove the trigger/hammer group from the Mini-14 to break it down, and then remove individual parts from the receiver to remove the bolt and operating rod, but you don't have to take the trigger group apart. Is the gun disassembled or not?
Good enough for my purposes although I have taken the trigger apart a time or two to deep clean and relube.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 10:12:38 GMT -5
You didn't say "field strip" either. "Taking apart" usually means disassembling and breaking down into small components or individual pieces. It doesn't necessarily mean stripping the frame bare.
You have to remove the trigger/hammer group from the Mini-14 to break it down, and then remove individual parts from the receiver to remove the bolt and operating rod, but you don't have to take the trigger group apart. Is the gun disassembled or not?
Good enough for my purposes although I have taken the trigger apart a time or two to deep clean and relube. And there's nothing wrong with that. You should do that, at least once a year, depending on shooting frequency, storage conditions, and other factors. More frequently if the gun is shot a lot.
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