grabbing the slide to disarm the bad guy

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If he has a revolver, especially with a cocked hammer, I'd suggest praying.       At the very least, the gas and powder particles from the barrel/cylinder gap are gonna mess up your hand pretty good.

[roxalot]

You been watching steven seagal movies again..?..

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Jul 30, 2017 8:43:51 GMT -5 roxalot said:

You been watching steven seagal movies again..?..

Nope ....  real life, according to these real people.  I don't think I am going to try it out, though.

The better alternative is to use Victor Marx's technique and control the gun BEFORE the bad guy can pull the trigger.  If the gun is out of reaching distance, you are essentially screwed and better resort to prayer, instead.  However, for some reason criminals like to get close and put the gun right in your face. [Watch the many videos of convenience store armed robberies]  Maybe they feel it is more intimidating, or they think it hides their actions better -- I don't know.  What I DO know is that I am intimidated quite enough by seeing the muzzle of a gun 20 feet away from me.

Any time you face a bad guy with a gun, death or serious injury is only a second away.  Only YOU can decide the exact course of action to take.

[roxalot]

Jul 31, 2017 15:04:43 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Jul 30, 2017 8:43:51 GMT -5 roxalot said:

You been watching steven seagal movies again..?..

Nope ....  real life, according to these real people.  I don't think I am going to try it out, though.

The better alternative is to use Victor Marx's technique and control the gun BEFORE the bad guy can pull the trigger.  If the gun is out of reaching distance, you are essentially screwed and better resort to prayer, instead.  However, for some reason criminals like to get close and put the gun right in your face. [Watch the many videos of convenience store armed robberies]  Maybe they feel it is more intimidating, or they think it hides their actions better -- I don't know.  What I DO know is that I am intimidated quite enough by seeing the muzzle of a gun 20 feet away from me.

Any time you face a bad guy with a gun, death or serious injury is only a second away.  Only YOU can decide the exact course of action to take.

Yep, only two choices.. fight or flight. and only a few seconds to make THAT choice. If there's no where to run or no cover to get behind, grab the gun, try to break your fist on his nose, pull yours and start blasting. Hopefully, there will be time to pray and give thanks later.

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Jul 31, 2017 15:58:36 GMT -5 roxalot said:

Jul 31, 2017 15:04:43 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Nope ....  real life, according to these real people.  I don't think I am going to try it out, though.

The better alternative is to use Victor Marx's technique and control the gun BEFORE the bad guy can pull the trigger.  If the gun is out of reaching distance, you are essentially screwed and better resort to prayer, instead.  However, for some reason criminals like to get close and put the gun right in your face. [Watch the many videos of convenience store armed robberies]  Maybe they feel it is more intimidating, or they think it hides their actions better -- I don't know.  What I DO know is that I am intimidated quite enough by seeing the muzzle of a gun 20 feet away from me.

Any time you face a bad guy with a gun, death or serious injury is only a second away.  Only YOU can decide the exact course of action to take.

Yep, only two choices.. fight or flight. and only a few seconds to make THAT choice. If there's no where to run or no cover to get behind, grab the gun, try to break your fist on his nose, pull yours and start blasting. Hopefully, there will be time to pray and give thanks later.

I don't have three hands so I will eliminate Step 2.
1 -- Grab and control HIS gun, if possible. 2 -- Draw YOUR gun and shoot.  I'm not wasting my time hitting a guy who is probably on drugs and feels no pain.

Again, if he is close enough for you to touch his gun or hit him, he is close enough to use Marx's technique.  You have the advantage because you are initiating the action, he has to recognize your action, and then he has to decide to actually try and fire his gun, or move it out of your reach.   By reaching for his wrist and not the gun with one hand, you have eliminated his chance of moving the gun and shooting you. YOU control his movements.

Practice it with a friend and a NONFIRING replica or toy, and you'll be surprised at the results.  Of course, he will know what you are going to do, so you might not be as successful in practice as you would be doing it by complete surprise.

[roxalot]

Jul 31, 2017 16:39:51 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Jul 31, 2017 15:58:36 GMT -5 roxalot said:

Yep, only two choices.. fight or flight. and only a few seconds to make THAT choice. If there's no where to run or no cover to get behind, grab the gun, try to break your fist on his nose, pull yours and start blasting. Hopefully, there will be time to pray and give thanks later.

I don't have three hands so I will eliminate Step 2.
1 -- Grab and control HIS gun, if possible. 2 -- Draw YOUR gun and shoot.  I'm not wasting my time hitting a guy who is probably on drugs and feels no pain.

Again, if he is close enough for you to touch his gun or hit him, he is close enough to use Marx's technique.  You have the advantage because you are initiating the action, he has to recognize your action, and then he has to decide to actually try and fire his gun, or move it out of your reach.   By reaching for his wrist and not the gun with one hand, you have eliminated his chance of moving the gun and shooting you. YOU control his movements.

Practice it with a friend and a NONFIRING replica or toy, and you'll be surprised at the results.  Of course, he will know what you are going to do, so you might not be as successful in practice as you would be doing it by complete surprise.

Ok, since you're a little slow here, lemme break it down fer ya. That way you won't have to go have another hand surgically added. Step 1. Grab gun. Step 2. Throw a Suzy Q. Step 3. Pull your weapon and unload on the SOB. Please notE that these ARE STEPS. Not one singular action. Therefore three hands are not needed. Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to go try to tear a deck of cards in two AGAIN. Did it Thursday nite but couldn't do it Saturday. Guess I went a few too many rounds on the double end bag after wrestling with 200 lb black bear that was about to have a serious confrontation with the neighbor's two dachshunds. Either that or I'm getting old.. Anyway, I've never had a gun shoved in my face. Hopefully I never will.

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Jul 31, 2017 21:30:54 GMT -5 roxalot said:

Jul 31, 2017 16:39:51 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

I don't have three hands so I will eliminate Step 2.
1 -- Grab and control HIS gun, if possible. 2 -- Draw YOUR gun and shoot.  I'm not wasting my time hitting a guy who is probably on drugs and feels no pain.

Again, if he is close enough for you to touch his gun or hit him, he is close enough to use Marx's technique.  You have the advantage because you are initiating the action, he has to recognize your action, and then he has to decide to actually try and fire his gun, or move it out of your reach.   By reaching for his wrist and not the gun with one hand, you have eliminated his chance of moving the gun and shooting you. YOU control his movements.

Practice it with a friend and a NONFIRING replica or toy, and you'll be surprised at the results.  Of course, he will know what you are going to do, so you might not be as successful in practice as you would be doing it by complete surprise.

Ok, since you're a little slow here, lemme break it down fer ya. That way you won't have to go have another hand surgically added. Step 1. Grab gun. Step 2. Throw a Suzy Q. Step 3. Pull your weapon and unload on the SOB. Please notE that these ARE STEPS. Not one singular action. Therefore three hands are not needed. Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to go try to tear a deck of cards in two AGAIN. Did it Thursday nite but couldn't do it Saturday. Guess I went a few too many rounds on the double end bag after wrestling with 200 lb black bear that was about to have a serious confrontation with the neighbor's two dachshunds. Either that or I'm getting old.. Anyway, I've never had a gun shoved in my face. Hopefully I never will.

Dammit, I posted a witty answer and the Russians intercepted it!
So in short ----------  do whatever you want to.

[roxalot]

Jul 31, 2017 22:35:43 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Jul 31, 2017 21:30:54 GMT -5 roxalot said:

Ok, since you're a little slow here, lemme break it down fer ya. That way you won't have to go have another hand surgically added. Step 1. Grab gun. Step 2. Throw a Suzy Q. Step 3. Pull your weapon and unload on the SOB. Please notE that these ARE STEPS. Not one singular action. Therefore three hands are not needed. Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to go try to tear a deck of cards in two AGAIN. Did it Thursday nite but couldn't do it Saturday. Guess I went a few too many rounds on the double end bag after wrestling with 200 lb black bear that was about to have a serious confrontation with the neighbor's two dachshunds. Either that or I'm getting old.. Anyway, I've never had a gun shoved in my face. Hopefully I never will.

Dammit, I posted a witty answer and the Russians intercepted it!
So in short ----------  do whatever you want to.

Want has nothing to do with it.

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Aug 1, 2017 5:18:23 GMT -5 roxalot said:

Jul 31, 2017 22:35:43 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Dammit, I posted a witty answer and the Russians intercepted it!
So in short ----------  do whatever you want to.

Want has nothing to do with it.

Yes, when you have options, you choose the one you WANT.
So do whatever you want to do.


I'm not sure what your answer is trying to infer.

[roxalot]

Aug 1, 2017 7:29:15 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Aug 1, 2017 5:18:23 GMT -5 roxalot said:

Want has nothing to do with it.

Yes, when you have options, you choose the one you WANT.
So do whatever you want to do.


I'm not sure what your answer is trying to infer.

There's a difference in wanting to do something and having to do something. If I use my weapon to defend myself, it will not be because I wanted to. I'm sure that's the case with you also.

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Aug 1, 2017 15:37:43 GMT -5 roxalot said:

Aug 1, 2017 7:29:15 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Yes, when you have options, you choose the one you WANT.
So do whatever you want to do.


I'm not sure what your answer is trying to infer.

There's a difference in wanting to do something and having to do something. If I use my weapon to defend myself, it will not be because I wanted to. I'm sure that's the case with you also.

I agree with you there.  I was referring to the empty hand techniques used before the gun has to be drawn, and the options of using different techniques in that regard.
I guess we had a miscommunication on that point.

[roxalot]

Aug 1, 2017 17:33:58 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Aug 1, 2017 15:37:43 GMT -5 roxalot said:

There's a difference in wanting to do something and having to do something. If I use my weapon to defend myself, it will not be because I wanted to. I'm sure that's the case with you also.

I agree with you there.  I was referring to the empty hand techniques used before the gun has to be drawn, and the options of using different techniques in that regard.
I guess we had a miscommunication on that point.

Not much 'technique' in grabbing the bad guy's gun with my left, while a spilt second later, throwing a Susy Q. with my right, then pulling my weapon and unloading on him. IF, and I admit, it's an IF, the Susy Q. lands where it supposed to, there'll be no need to pull my weapon. Here. I'll show you what a proper 'Susy Q. looks like. The punch starts at the 25 second mark. Devastating.

[oujour76]

Aug 1, 2017 18:18:41 GMT -5 roxalot said:

Not much 'technique' in grabbing the bad guy's gun with my left, while a spilt second later, throwing a Susy Q. with my right, then pulling my weapon and unloading on him. IF, and I admit, it's an IF, the Susy Q. lands where it supposed to, there'll be no need to pull my weapon. Here. I'll show you what a proper 'Susy Q. looks like. The punch starts at the 25 second mark. Devastating.

Hell of a punch.

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Why's it called a Susy Q.?

[roxalot]

Aug 1, 2017 20:01:36 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

Why's it called a Susy Q.?

Just a nickname he gave it. It was obviously his best punch but the real 'Rocky' had knockout power in either hand. 'Jersey' Joe Walcott was a tough as nails 36 year old when he had the misfortune of running into one hungry 27 year old Rocky Marciano for the Heavy weight championship of the world. That punch would have killed an ordinary man and was designated as one of the top five hardest punches ever thrown in professional boxing. Walcott was never really the same after that fight. Rocky Marciano was unstoppable. and, undefeated.