irving requesting trade??

[mscott59]

that's what brian windhorst of espn reported today. he says kyrie asked the cavs to trade him in a meeting last week. the request was made directly to owner dan gilbert according to windhorst; irving wants to be more of a focal point vs playing alongside lebron james. irving's agent is neither confirming nor denying the report. windhorst says the request took james by surprise, leaving him feeling 'blindsided and disappointed.' me too, if true. lol

[cbisbig]

Jul 21, 2017 15:33:47 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

that's what brian windhorst of espn reported today. he says kyrie asked the cavs to trade him in a meeting last week. the request was made directly to owner dan gilbert according to windhorst; irving wants to be more of a focal point vs playing alongside lebron james. irving's agent is neither confirming nor denying the report. windhorst says the request took james by surprise, leaving him feeling 'blindsided and disappointed.' me too, if true. lol

If James is also leaving, why would he feel blindsided and disappointed?

[mscott59]

Jul 21, 2017 18:34:48 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Jul 21, 2017 15:33:47 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

that's what brian windhorst of espn reported today. he says kyrie asked the cavs to trade him in a meeting last week. the request was made directly to owner dan gilbert according to windhorst; irving wants to be more of a focal point vs playing alongside lebron james. irving's agent is neither confirming nor denying the report. windhorst says the request took james by surprise, leaving him feeling 'blindsided and disappointed.' me too, if true. lol

If James is also leaving, why would he feel blindsided and disappointed?

james isn't going anywhere next year. there's certainly been conjecture on '18-'-19

[Walter]

Jul 21, 2017 22:27:53 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Jul 21, 2017 18:34:48 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

If James is also leaving, why would he feel blindsided and disappointed?

james isn't going anywhere next year. there's certainly been conjecture on '18-'-19

If you are Gilbert and will lose Irving, shouldn't you be contemplating trading LBJ now to get something rather than losing him for nothing in 18?

[cbisbig]

Jul 21, 2017 22:27:53 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Jul 21, 2017 18:34:48 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

If James is also leaving, why would he feel blindsided and disappointed?

james isn't going anywhere next year. there's certainly been conjecture on '18-'-19

James is a diva that wants to be in control. Still has a long way to go to be on Michael Jordons level...imo

[Mickey34jb]

Jul 21, 2017 15:33:47 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

that's what brian windhorst of espn reported today. he says kyrie asked the cavs to trade him in a meeting last week. the request was made directly to owner dan gilbert according to windhorst; irving wants to be more of a focal point vs playing alongside lebron james. irving's agent is neither confirming nor denying the report. windhorst says the request took james by surprise, leaving him feeling 'blindsided and disappointed.' me too, if true. lol

Explains why the Cavs are talking to Derrick Rose

[arkon]

After thumbing his nose and flipping the bird to the people of OH-IO and Cleveland in particular, for LBJ to whine about being "blindsided and disappointed" is a great big hairy "who gives a rat's ass," as far as I'm conceived.

[mscott59]

Jul 22, 2017 6:04:30 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Jul 21, 2017 22:27:53 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

james isn't going anywhere next year. there's certainly been conjecture on '18-'-19

James is a diva that wants to be in control. Still has a long way to go to be on Michael Jordons level...imo

james is a leader of the team who's seeing a talented teammate wanting to go elsewhere. his reax was just like anyone in that position would have been.

[oujour76]

Jul 23, 2017 19:20:58 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

james is a leader of the team who's seeing a talented teammate wanting to go elsewhere. his reax was just like anyone in that position would have been.

After the Finals, I suspect James is the one that wants him gone.

[cbisbig]

Jul 23, 2017 19:20:58 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Jul 22, 2017 6:04:30 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

James is a diva that wants to be in control. Still has a long way to go to be on Michael Jordons level...imo

james is a leader of the team who's seeing a talented teammate wanting to go elsewhere. his reax was just like anyone in that position would have been.

[mscott59]

Jul 23, 2017 20:31:32 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Jul 23, 2017 19:20:58 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

james is a leader of the team who's seeing a talented teammate wanting to go elsewhere. his reax was just like anyone in that position would have been.

After the Finals, I suspect James is the one that wants him gone.

really? i sure don't see it that way. james from all indications was wanting add a piece or two w/o losing kyrie. Irving leaving leaves a huge hole at shooting guard that derrick rose can't replace. if I understand the nba salary cap rules (which is a lie. only cpa's do), kyrie would actually be able to make more staying w the cavs, who drafted him, than going free agent. which would make it even more surprising I imagine for james/gilbert/team/fans if this turns out to be true.

[mscott59]

Jul 23, 2017 20:49:34 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Jul 23, 2017 19:20:58 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

james is a leader of the team who's seeing a talented teammate wanting to go elsewhere. his reax was just like anyone in that position would have been.

jeez. why the burr up your behind about james?

[oujour76]

Jul 23, 2017 21:45:38 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Jul 23, 2017 20:31:32 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

After the Finals, I suspect James is the one that wants him gone.

really? i sure don't see it that way. james from all indications was wanting add a piece or two w/o losing kyrie. Irving leaving leaves a huge hole at shooting guard that derrick rose can't replace. if I understand the nba salary cap rules (which is a lie. only cpa's do), kyrie would actually be able to make more staying w the cavs, who drafted him, than going free agent. which would make it even more surprising I imagine for james/gilbert/team/fans if this turns out to be true.

I don't think anything happens with the Cavs that Lebron doesn't know about in advance and I do think he wants Kyrie gone. Kyrie is a defensive liability and he turns the ball over way too much. JMO.

[cbisbig]

Jul 23, 2017 21:47:07 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Jul 23, 2017 20:49:34 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

jeez. why the burr up your behind about james?

No burr, just an outsider with no ties to Cleveland ,Miami or anything to do with LJ looking in. I'm sure I'm not alone in my belief that he runs the team. Sure ain't his puppet Tyron Lue calling the shots.

[mscott59]

Jul 23, 2017 22:21:59 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Jul 23, 2017 21:45:38 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

really? i sure don't see it that way. james from all indications was wanting add a piece or two w/o losing kyrie. Irving leaving leaves a huge hole at shooting guard that derrick rose can't replace. if I understand the nba salary cap rules (which is a lie. only cpa's do), kyrie would actually be able to make more staying w the cavs, who drafted him, than going free agent. which would make it even more surprising I imagine for james/gilbert/team/fans if this turns out to be true.

I don't think anything happens with the Cavs that Lebron doesn't know about in advance and I do think he wants Kyrie gone. Kyrie is a defensive liability and he turns the ball over way too much. JMO.

they've made 3 straight finals together since james returned to cleveland. in terms of talent irving is in the top two when you think about the players all-time who've been teammates w/him (wade is probably higher, but kyrie is coming up fast). he averaged 2.5 to's/game this year (lebron averaged 4.1, fwiw), 25.2 pts/game, 5.8 assists and 1.2 steals. you're right that his defense still needs work, but the guy's offense makes up for it. i truly think james got caught off-guard by this.