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Sept 4, 2017 21:41:36 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 21:41:36 GMT -5
"There is no tactical" because you don't KNOW tactical. There is a nice big tree in my front yard and a HUGE oak in the back from which I can challenge the bad guy(s) at the house on either side of me. If they decide to shoot, I have cover and concealment. Know the difference. Whenever possible, YOU pick the time and place to have a gunfight. You want every advantage on YOUR side. A bullet doesn't know who is the good or bad guy.
And that is what is known as tactical.
Know in advance what cover you have available at your house. No, your garbage can won't work. I'll just shoot you right THROUGH it. tactical is for IF YOU HAVE TIME to do tactical. I was talking about confronting a criminal in a home who is probably less than 15 feet from you and showing a weapon. You do the tactical thingy and I'll just start shooting at center of mass. Wish me luck, chuck.
Grace and Buck will make sure of that.
Good luck. You are going to need it.
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Sept 5, 2017 8:24:59 GMT -5
Post by roxalot on Sept 5, 2017 8:24:59 GMT -5
tactical is for IF YOU HAVE TIME to do tactical. I was talking about confronting a criminal in a home who is probably less than 15 feet from you and showing a weapon. You do the tactical thingy and I'll just start shooting at center of mass. Wish me luck, chuck.
Grace and Buck will make sure of that.
Good luck. You are going to need it.
[Now where is that picture of the guy talking to a brick wall?] luck has nothing to do with it, That's great you have a 'warning system'.. But I wouldn't depend on animals for protection. That is YOUR job. |
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Sept 5, 2017 8:35:54 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 8:35:54 GMT -5
No one is going to get into my house without me knowing, and if they DO get into the house, they'll never get close to me.
Grace and Buck will make sure of that.
Good luck. You are going to need it.
[Now where is that picture of the guy talking to a brick wall?] luck has nothing to do with it, That's great you have a 'warning system'.. But I wouldn't depend on animals for protection. That is YOUR job.
If you think I really need my gun in my house, you are welcome to just walk in the front door uninvited. Just call ahead first so I can video your hasty panicked retreat. Your screams will make great audio, too!
Like I said though, do whatever you want to. You obviously are more experienced and knowledgeable than I am. I'm sure you have cleared numerous houses and buildings in the middle of the night after they have been reported being broken in to. I'm sure you have experienced the fear of not knowing what's around the next corner or what is looking down at you from a loft many times.
Oh wait, I forgot. You HAVE no fear. You train constantly in the art of killing people. |
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Sept 5, 2017 9:43:13 GMT -5
Post by roxalot on Sept 5, 2017 9:43:13 GMT -5
luck has nothing to do with it, That's great you have a 'warning system'.. But I wouldn't depend on animals for protection. That is YOUR job.
If you think I really need my gun in my house, you are welcome to just walk in the front door uninvited. Just call ahead first so I can video your hasty panicked retreat. Your screams will make great audio, too!
Like I said though, do whatever you want to. You obviously are more experienced and knowledgeable than I am. I'm sure you have cleared numerous houses and buildings in the middle of the night after they have been reported being broken in to. I'm sure you have experienced the fear of not knowing what's around the next corner or what is looking down at you from a loft many times.
Oh wait, I forgot. You HAVE no fear. You train constantly in the art of killing people.I'm an animal lover but if a pitbull(s) comes at me in attack mode, one quick shot to the head or upper torso will solve THAT problem. Fear is good, it helps keep us alive. |
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Sept 5, 2017 13:12:44 GMT -5
Post by bamorin on Sept 5, 2017 13:12:44 GMT -5
he'll leave with the police if he really wants to leave. Someone charging me doesn't have to be armed.......in Ohio.
I didn't say anything about killing them........but they should be of enough intelligence not to charge a man holding a shotgun....My statement stands, they can leave in a cruiser if they're smart. |
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Sept 5, 2017 13:18:24 GMT -5
Post by Walter on Sept 5, 2017 13:18:24 GMT -5
Hey ba, just follow the dude(s) back to their getaway vehicle and blow their tires out with your pump 12 ga. when they try to crank up and flee... hey Bryan, ba has the right to make a citizen's arrest in the case of one of his neighbor's houses being robbed. If the criminal resists or tries to escape, what do you think about the tire blowing suggestion..?.. What would YOU do if you saw one of your neighbor's houses being robbed..?..
Yes, you may have the right to make a citizen's arrest. Is the crime a felony or a misdemeanor? Do you know the difference for every situation? However, if a criminal is unarmed and resists arrest, you do NOT have the right to use deadly force against him to affect the arrest. Leave the arresting to the professionals, UNLESS the threat of death or great bodily harm is present.
What would I do? For one thing, I am NOT going to go up to the neighbor's door and try to block the bad guys from coming out. While I am standing at the front door like John Wayne, bad guy #3 or 4 has slipped out a side door or back window, comes around the corner and blows MY dumb ass away!!!
Do you know how many people actually entered the house? If you saw them go in, you call the cops at that instant. The bad guys think they have been undetected and they will probably still be inside when more than ONE cop arrives. If they start coming out before the cops get there, they are taking PROPERTY ONLY.
If I can safely confront them and force a peaceful surrender, I will. But I will do so from COVER, at a distance.
If they decide to run, I am not going to shoot them. I will try to remember all the descriptors I can for the police.
If they decide to resist by shooting at me, or attacking me, all bets are off. I will do what I HAVE to do, and I will mentally kick myself for not staying in my own house and being a good witness.
Y'all seem to think this is so easy, and cut and dried. You think you can blow away a bad guy, talk to the cops for 5 minutes, then go get ready to see yourself on the 10 o'clock news. That is NOT how it happens.
Remember, if you KNOW no one is home next door, the bad guys are only taking THINGS. Is it worth having your gun taken, interviewed for hours, possibly charged with a crime, and probably sued by the bad guys or their families? How about the huge weight of having killed another person over a big screen TV or a few bucks' worth of jewelry, if that happens?
Think about all that, then do whatever you want to. I'm not a lawyer, so I WILL NOT go on record here and say that in my opinion you should kill someone over property.
I won't say exactly what I will do either. If I have it all planned out, that can be twisted into premeditated murder especially when I announce it for all the world to see. Ask Trn, if you don't think a lawyer will use every thing he can find AGAINST you.
In the meantime, go ask your neighbor if he has homeowner's insurance. Property is replaceable. A life is NOT.
How's any self-respecting Rambo-wannabe supposed to RAMBO if they have to actually think about the moral, ethical and legal ramifications of it first? How much fun can a Rambo have to just call 911 and be left to watch the professionals do their job from a safe distance? Geez....what a buzzkill. |
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Sept 5, 2017 13:42:38 GMT -5
Post by bamorin on Sept 5, 2017 13:42:38 GMT -5
911 and be left to watch the professionals do their job from a safe distance? Geez....what a buzzkill. exactly.......call 911 first.........but, standing 30" behind the muzzle of a 12ga is a safe distance. much much safer than being 30" in front of it. |
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Sept 5, 2017 17:47:24 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 17:47:24 GMT -5
Two pitbulls are more than a warning system. But they DO make a great warning system too. Any stranger who knocks on our door ends up standing in the middle of the front yard once the barking starts.
If you think I really need my gun in my house, you are welcome to just walk in the front door uninvited. Just call ahead first so I can video your hasty panicked retreat. Your screams will make great audio, too!
Like I said though, do whatever you want to. You obviously are more experienced and knowledgeable than I am. I'm sure you have cleared numerous houses and buildings in the middle of the night after they have been reported being broken in to. I'm sure you have experienced the fear of not knowing what's around the next corner or what is looking down at you from a loft many times.
Oh wait, I forgot. You HAVE no fear. You train constantly in the art of killing people. I'm an animal lover but if a pitbull(s) comes at me in attack mode, one quick shot to the head or upper torso will solve THAT problem. Fear is good, it helps keep us alive.
Not to mention, if my dogs are barking at 3 AM, whoever comes inside forcefully will be shot by ME while he is thinking about shooting my dogs. And I won't be standing in the open. I know the interior of my house and I will be behind cover. That is called "tactics," just to remind you.
If you are stupid enough to open a door that has barking big dogs behind it, go ahead. Most people AREN'T that stupid.
Now you keep on reading all those magazines that tell you how to prepare for the bad guys. Have you mastered switching magazines while flying through the air like your movie heroes do? Don't forget ----------- you can shoot a car in the engine with a 9mm pistol and the car will explode, go flying in the air, and do a complete roll before it lands.
I sure wish I was as good and knowledgeable as you are. |
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Sept 5, 2017 17:53:07 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 17:53:07 GMT -5
So you are going to try and kill a man who charges at you?
I didn't say anything about killing them........but they should be of enough intelligence not to charge a man holding a shotgun....My statement stands, they can leave in a cruiser if they're smart.
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Sept 5, 2017 18:06:09 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 18:06:09 GMT -5
How's any self-respecting Rambo-wannabe supposed to RAMBO if they have to actually think about the moral, ethical and legal ramifications of it first? How much fun can a Rambo have to just call 911 and be left to watch the professionals do their job from a safe distance? Geez....what a buzzkill.
These folks who want to "shoot the burglar no matter what" can deal with their own problems after the shooting. Let 'em have at it.
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Sept 5, 2017 18:59:58 GMT -5
Post by roxalot on Sept 5, 2017 18:59:58 GMT -5
I'm an animal lover but if a pitbull(s) comes at me in attack mode, one quick shot to the head or upper torso will solve THAT problem. Fear is good, it helps keep us alive.
I sure wish I was as good and knowledgeable as you are. nuff said. |
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Sept 5, 2017 23:48:08 GMT -5
Post by bamorin on Sept 5, 2017 23:48:08 GMT -5
I didn't say anything about killing them........but they should be of enough intelligence not to charge a man holding a shotgun....My statement stands, they can leave in a cruiser if they're smart.
if they think they're superman and can run through walls, more power to 'em |
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Sept 6, 2017 1:37:52 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 1:37:52 GMT -5
And how about if they decide to run AWAY from you?
if they think they're superman and can run through walls, more power to 'em
Do you plan to remain standing in the fatal funnel while 3 of them (or even just 2) split up to different corners of the room, dividing your attention while they inch closer to their own concealed weapons? If we have ended up in an interior room, do you realize drywall and 2x4 studs do not stop bullets?
I'm trying to follow your plan here. So what is the next step? |
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Sept 6, 2017 6:25:57 GMT -5
Post by bamorin on Sept 6, 2017 6:25:57 GMT -5
if they think they're superman and can run through walls, more power to 'em
Do you plan to remain standing in the fatal funnel while 3 of them (or even just 2) split up to different corners of the room, dividing your attention while they inch closer to their own concealed weapons? If we have ended up in an interior room, do you realize drywall and 2x4 studs do not stop bullets?
I'm trying to follow your plan here. So what is the next step?wait it out. if they have "concealed" weapons, it shows they're smart. And probably willing to leave in a cruiser. I seriously doubt any of this would come down to this, as this is Columbus's "best kept secret" neighborhood. |
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Sept 6, 2017 8:27:05 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 8:27:05 GMT -5
So your plan is trap them in an inescapable room. OK. I hope they will be nice enough to cooperate and go into a blind room with no second door or windows.
Do you plan to remain standing in the fatal funnel while 3 of them (or even just 2) split up to different corners of the room, dividing your attention while they inch closer to their own concealed weapons? If we have ended up in an interior room, do you realize drywall and 2x4 studs do not stop bullets?
I'm trying to follow your plan here. So what is the next step? wait it out. if they have "concealed" weapons, it shows they're smart. And probably willing to leave in a cruiser. I seriously doubt any of this would come down to this, as this is Columbus's "best kept secret" neighborhood.
As I've said before, I live in a "mixed" neighborhood, with blacks dealing drugs only 3 blocks away. I know them, and they know me, and that's how it stands.
I have black neighbors directly across the street, and right next door to THEM as well. Skin color has nothing to do with anything, since the neighborhood is mostly quiet and most of the people in it are good people. We all get along and we are too busy trying to live without having a bunch of bullshit go on. We wave and small talk to each other, and that's usually all we have time for.
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