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Sept 4, 2017 17:30:49 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 17:30:49 GMT -5
That would be quite illegal. however, if they try to force their way past me out the front door, that would be perfectly legal ( not shooting the tires I mean) do you have a fundamental issue with that? No, but what do you do if it's one guy and he's unarmed... and he really wants to leave.?..
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Sept 4, 2017 18:27:37 GMT -5
Post by bamorin on Sept 4, 2017 18:27:37 GMT -5
That would be quite illegal. however, if they try to force their way past me out the front door, that would be perfectly legal ( not shooting the tires I mean) do you have a fundamental issue with that? No, but what do you do if it's one guy and he's unarmed... and he really wants to leave.?.. he'll leave with the police if he really wants to leave. Someone charging me doesn't have to be armed.......in Ohio. |
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Sept 4, 2017 18:58:11 GMT -5
Post by roxalot on Sept 4, 2017 18:58:11 GMT -5
No, but what do you do if it's one guy and he's unarmed... and he really wants to leave.?.. he'll leave with the police if he really wants to leave. Someone charging me doesn't have to be armed.......in Ohio. I figured you'd say he'd leave in a police cruiser or an ambulance...  |
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Sept 4, 2017 19:04:51 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 19:04:51 GMT -5
he'll leave with the police if he really wants to leave. Someone charging me doesn't have to be armed.......in Ohio. I figured you'd say he'd leave in a police cruiser or an ambulance... You have just insulted bam's firearms skills.  The perp would leave in a police cruiser or a coroner's van. Ambulances are for the injured. |
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Sept 4, 2017 19:07:33 GMT -5
Post by roxalot on Sept 4, 2017 19:07:33 GMT -5
No, but what do you do if it's one guy and he's unarmed... and he really wants to leave.?..
How do you know he is unarmed, just because you see no weapon?Don't know, but what I CAN see is that he isn't showing a weapon. If he IS showing a weapon, then it's up to the homeowner, or in this case, ba the trustee, to stop the threat...right..?.. |
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Sept 4, 2017 19:08:42 GMT -5
Post by roxalot on Sept 4, 2017 19:08:42 GMT -5
I figured you'd say he'd leave in a police cruiser or an ambulance... You have just insulted bam's firearms skills. The perp would leave in a police cruiser or a coroner's van. Ambulances are for the injured. well yeah, there is THAT... |
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Sept 4, 2017 19:11:56 GMT -5
Post by roxalot on Sept 4, 2017 19:11:56 GMT -5
Hey ba, just follow the dude(s) back to their getaway vehicle and blow their tires out with your pump 12 ga. when they try to crank up and flee... hey Bryan, ba has the right to make a citizen's arrest in the case of one of his neighbor's houses being robbed. If the criminal resists or tries to escape, what do you think about the tire blowing suggestion..?.. What would YOU do if you saw one of your neighbor's houses being robbed..?..
Yes, you may have the right to make a citizen's arrest. Is the crime a felony or a misdemeanor? Do you know the difference for every situation? However, if a criminal is unarmed and resists arrest, you do NOT have the right to use deadly force against him to affect the arrest. Leave the arresting to the professionals, UNLESS the threat of death or great bodily harm is present.
What would I do? For one thing, I am NOT going to go up to the neighbor's door and try to block the bad guys from coming out. While I am standing at the front door like John Wayne, bad guy #3 or 4 has slipped out a side door or back window, comes around the corner and blows MY dumb ass away!!!
Do you know how many people actually entered the house? If you saw them go in, you call the cops at that instant. The bad guys think they have been undetected and they will probably still be inside when more than ONE cop arrives. If they start coming out before the cops get there, they are taking PROPERTY ONLY.
If I can safely confront them and force a peaceful surrender, I will. But I will do so from COVER, at a distance.
If they decide to run, I am not going to shoot them. I will try to remember all the descriptors I can for the police.
If they decide to resist by shooting at me, or attacking me, all bets are off. I will do what I HAVE to do, and I will mentally kick myself for not staying in my own house and being a good witness.
Y'all seem to think this is so easy, and cut and dried. You think you can blow away a bad guy, talk to the cops for 5 minutes, then go get ready to see yourself on the 10 o'clock news. That is NOT how it happens.
Remember, if you KNOW no one is home next door, the bad guys are only taking THINGS. Is it worth having your gun taken, interviewed for hours, possibly charged with a crime, and probably sued by the bad guys or their families? How about the huge weight of having killed another person over a big screen TV or a few bucks' worth of jewelry, if that happens?
Think about all that, then do whatever you want to. I'm not a lawyer, so I WILL NOT go on record here and say that in my opinion you should kill someone over property.
I won't say exactly what I will do either. If I have it all planned out, that can be twisted into premeditated murder especially when I announce it for all the world to see. Ask Trn, if you don't think a lawyer will use every thing he can find AGAINST you.
In the meantime, go ask your neighbor if he has homeowner's insurance. Property is replaceable. A life is NOT.
Good advice. That's what I would do, call the cops. You're exactly right .. property can be replaced, your life cannot. |
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Sept 4, 2017 19:19:48 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 19:19:48 GMT -5
No, but what do you do if it's one guy and he's unarmed... and he really wants to leave.?.. he'll leave with the police if he really wants to leave. Someone charging me doesn't have to be armed.......in Ohio.
You really need to learn some unarmed combat skills.
For instance, sidestep and trip him as he runs past. Or sidestep him and deliver an arc kick to his solar plexus. If you are really feeling your Wheaties, you can stand there and drop him with a sidekick.
Y'all sure are a bloodthirsty lot. |
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Sept 4, 2017 19:34:24 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 19:34:24 GMT -5
Let him go.
How do you know he is unarmed, just because you see no weapon? Don't know, but what I CAN see is that he isn't showing a weapon. If he IS showing a weapon, then it's up to the homeowner, or in this case, ba the trustee, to stop the threat...right..?..
I can't tell you what I would do without knowing the exact layout of the environment, time of day and lighting, my mental status (did I just wake up and jump out of bed?) and 1000 other variables.
You keep saying "he" as if it will be only one bad guy. What if you challenge the one guy you see, while his armed lookout sitting in the getaway car draws a bead on your back? There is a reason I always sit with my back to a wall, facing the door if at all possible when I am out in a restaurant.
If I reasonably believe he (they) threaten human life, I will do what I think is appropriate at the time.
I would suggest that everyone here who thinks he knows what to do get some serious tactical and martial arts training. Thinking a gun is all you need is a bad mistake. Your best weapon is your brain. If, AFTER you get the essential training, you feel you know what to do, then do it.
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Sept 4, 2017 20:10:34 GMT -5
Post by roxalot on Sept 4, 2017 20:10:34 GMT -5
he'll leave with the police if he really wants to leave. Someone charging me doesn't have to be armed.......in Ohio.
You really need to learn some unarmed combat skills.
For instance, sidestep and trip him as he runs past. Or sidestep him and deliver an arc kick to his solar plexus. If you are really feeling your Wheaties, you can stand there and drop him with a sidekick.
Y'all sure are a bloodthirsty lot.lol... not everyone is a kung fu expert like you... |
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Sept 4, 2017 20:16:25 GMT -5
Post by roxalot on Sept 4, 2017 20:16:25 GMT -5
Don't know, but what I CAN see is that he isn't showing a weapon. If he IS showing a weapon, then it's up to the homeowner, or in this case, ba the trustee, to stop the threat...right..?..
I can't tell you what I would do without knowing the exact layout of the environment, time of day and lighting, my mental status (did I just wake up and jump out of bed?) and 1000 other variables.
You keep saying "he" as if it will be only one bad guy. What if you challenge the one guy you see, while his armed lookout sitting in the getaway car draws a bead on your back? There is a reason I always sit with my back to a wall, facing the door if at all possible when I am out in a restaurant.
If I reasonably believe he (they) threaten human life, I will do what I think is appropriate at the time.
I would suggest that everyone here who thinks he knows what to do get some serious tactical and martial arts training. Thinking a gun is all you need is a bad mistake. Your best weapon is your brain. If, AFTER you get the essential training, you feel you know what to do, then do it.
If he shows a weapon, then there is no tactical. You shoot to live. I'm assuming ba has his weapon already drawn and ready to go when he enters the house. again, if it were me, I would call the cavalry and wait. |
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Sept 4, 2017 20:18:24 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 20:18:24 GMT -5
So you are going to try and kill a man who charges at you?
You really need to learn some unarmed combat skills.
For instance, sidestep and trip him as he runs past. Or sidestep him and deliver an arc kick to his solar plexus. If you are really feeling your Wheaties, you can stand there and drop him with a sidekick.
Y'all sure are a bloodthirsty lot. lol... not everyone is a kung fu expert like you...
The only reason you aren't a martial arts "expert" is because you don't want to work hard and learn. That's on YOU. You brag about all this training you do to prepare you to TAKE a life, but you won't train so that you don't HAVE to take a life. That's sad.
Y'all do whatever you want. You will anyway, no matter what I say.
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Sept 4, 2017 20:32:05 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 20:32:05 GMT -5
I don't know. If he just wants to leave and he has a gun, do I really want to get into a gunfight with him, and take a chance that he lands a lucky (or well-aimed) shot? Never underestimate your opponent. How do you know he wasn't a world-class shooter in better times?
I can't tell you what I would do without knowing the exact layout of the environment, time of day and lighting, my mental status (did I just wake up and jump out of bed?) and 1000 other variables.
You keep saying "he" as if it will be only one bad guy. What if you challenge the one guy you see, while his armed lookout sitting in the getaway car draws a bead on your back? There is a reason I always sit with my back to a wall, facing the door if at all possible when I am out in a restaurant.
If I reasonably believe he (they) threaten human life, I will do what I think is appropriate at the time.
I would suggest that everyone here who thinks he knows what to do get some serious tactical and martial arts training. Thinking a gun is all you need is a bad mistake. Your best weapon is your brain. If, AFTER you get the essential training, you feel you know what to do, then do it.
If he shows a weapon, then there is no tactical. You shoot to live. I'm assuming ba has his weapon already drawn and ready to go when he enters the house. again, if it were me, I would call the cavalry and wait.
And that is what is known as tactical.
Know in advance what cover you have available at your house. No, your garbage can won't work. I'll just shoot you right THROUGH it. |
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Sept 4, 2017 21:19:23 GMT -5
Post by roxalot on Sept 4, 2017 21:19:23 GMT -5
If he shows a weapon, then there is no tactical. You shoot to live. I'm assuming ba has his weapon already drawn and ready to go when he enters the house. again, if it were me, I would call the cavalry and wait.
And that is what is known as tactical.
Know in advance what cover you have available at your house. No, your garbage can won't work. I'll just shoot you right THROUGH it.wow, Rambo, karate kid and chuck Norris all rolled into one, you're awesome, dude. I have a china berry tree, does that count..?.. |
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Sept 4, 2017 21:24:25 GMT -5
Post by roxalot on Sept 4, 2017 21:24:25 GMT -5
If he shows a weapon, then there is no tactical. You shoot to live. I'm assuming ba has his weapon already drawn and ready to go when he enters the house. again, if it were me, I would call the cavalry and wait.
And that is what is known as tactical.
Know in advance what cover you have available at your house. No, your garbage can won't work. I'll just shoot you right THROUGH it.tactical is for IF YOU HAVE TIME to do tactical. I was talking about confronting a criminal in a home who is probably less than 15 feet from you and showing a weapon. You do the tactical thingy and I'll just start shooting at center of mass. Wish me luck, chuck. |
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