More Feinstein Idiocy and Evil

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Bitch needs to be run out of office AND out of the United States of America!






reason.com/blog/2017/11/08/sen-feinsteins-new-assault-weapons-ban-p

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Nov 23, 2017 17:58:13 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Bitch needs to be run out of office AND out of the United States of America!






reason.com/blog/2017/11/08/sen-feinsteins-new-assault-weapons-ban-p

And the sheep bleat in unison with their shepherd Diane. Liberals run in a herd of non-thinking.

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Nov 23, 2017 18:18:15 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

Nov 23, 2017 17:58:13 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Bitch needs to be run out of office AND out of the United States of America!






reason.com/blog/2017/11/08/sen-feinsteins-new-assault-weapons-ban-p

And the sheep bleat in unison with their shepherd Diane. Liberals run in a herd of non-thinking.

MY shotgun looks like the bottom one, except my mag tube is just as long as the barrel and holds 7.   Mine doesn't have that silly strap on the forend, or the shell holder on the stock.
And mine is a Winchester Model 1300 Defender with the crossbolt safety where it belongs.

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Nov 23, 2017 18:56:08 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

And mine is a Winchester Model 1300 Defender with the crossbolt safety where it belongs.

Remington 870........a real one

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Nov 25, 2017 10:39:13 GMT -5 bamorin said:

Nov 23, 2017 18:56:08 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

And mine is a Winchester Model 1300 Defender with the crossbolt safety where it belongs.

Remington 870........a real one

My first "riot gun" with the P.D.   It was well used and beat up from bouncing around in the car.  In those days we didn't have shotgun locks, just laid 'em across the transmission hump with muzzle pointing to the right side.   Long before I ever saw it, someone had taken a hacksaw to the barrel and cut it down to somewhere around 16" (I never measured it).   There was no front sight, but it was a natural pointer and fun to shoot.
Our motley collection of assorted shotguns was finally replaced by a supply of Ithaca Model 37's, which I love because of their bottom ejection system.  The older ones had slam-fire capability, which wasn't very practical, but fun nevertheless!  Just hold the trigger down and pump the forend.


FTR, the Ithaca Model 37 was originally a Remington (John Browning) design (M-17) that Remington abandoned.

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Nov 25, 2017 13:54:40 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Nov 25, 2017 10:39:13 GMT -5 bamorin said:

Remington 870........a real one

My first "riot gun" with the P.D.   It was well used and beat up from bouncing around in the car.  In those days we didn't have shotgun locks, just laid 'em across the transmission hump with muzzle pointing to the right side.   Long before I ever saw it, someone had taken a hacksaw to the barrel and cut it down to somewhere around 16" (I never measured it).   There was no front sight, but it was a natural pointer and fun to shoot.
Our motley collection of assorted shotguns was finally replaced by a supply of Ithaca Model 37's, which I love because of their bottom ejection system.  The older ones had slam-fire capability, which wasn't very practical, but fun nevertheless!  Just hold the trigger down and pump the forend.


FTR, the Ithaca Model 37 was originally a Remington (John Browning) design (M-17) that Remington abandoned.

might have been a military designation, but to the civies it was a model 10

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Nov 27, 2017 12:28:04 GMT -5 bamorin said:

Nov 25, 2017 13:54:40 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

My first "riot gun" with the P.D.   It was well used and beat up from bouncing around in the car.  In those days we didn't have shotgun locks, just laid 'em across the transmission hump with muzzle pointing to the right side.   Long before I ever saw it, someone had taken a hacksaw to the barrel and cut it down to somewhere around 16" (I never measured it).   There was no front sight, but it was a natural pointer and fun to shoot.
Our motley collection of assorted shotguns was finally replaced by a supply of Ithaca Model 37's, which I love because of their bottom ejection system.  The older ones had slam-fire capability, which wasn't very practical, but fun nevertheless!  Just hold the trigger down and pump the forend.


FTR, the Ithaca Model 37 was originally a Remington (John Browning) design (M-17) that Remington abandoned.

might have been a military designation, but to the civies it was a model 10

No.
It was the Remington MODEL 17.

"It eventually chose a design patented by John Browning in 1915 and put forth as the Remington Model 17, a contemporary of the Winchester Model 12 that everyone seemed to want at the time. Trouble was, of course, Ithaca had to wait until Browning’s patent—owned by Remington—expired before it could utilize the features of the shotgun, so not much could be done until 1932."

www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/8/25/a-look-back-at-the-ithaca-model-37-shotgun/

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Nov 27, 2017 13:13:29 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Nov 27, 2017 12:28:04 GMT -5 bamorin said:

might have been a military designation, but to the civies it was a model 10

No.
It was the Remington MODEL 17.

"It eventually chose a design patented by John Browning in 1915 and put forth as the Remington Model 17, a contemporary of the Winchester Model 12 that everyone seemed to want at the time. Trouble was, of course, Ithaca had to wait until Browning’s patent—owned by Remington—expired before it could utilize the features of the shotgun, so not much could be done until 1932."

www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/8/25/a-look-back-at-the-ithaca-model-37-shotgun/

The Model 10 shotgun was introduced to Remington lines in 1910, originally as a sporting system. Production would ultimately span from 1908 until 1929 before the type was discontinued. All versions were 12-gauge and barrel lengths offered were the long-form 32-inch model and a shortened, compact 20-inch version. The action was manual through working of the slide mounted under the barrel and around the cylindrical magazine. The magazine was of basic tube form and incorporated up to five shells inline. A button along the right side of the receiver was held down with each pump-action to introduce a fresh shell into the chamber and eject any spent ones. . The loading port was located under the receiver ahead of the trigger and doubled as the ejection port. Take-down was relatively easy and produced two components - the barrel/magazine tube with slide and the receiver with shoulder stock and trigger group. Each model featured a fixed, ergonomic solid wood stock attached to the end of the receiver with a formed pistol grip. The slide was also wooden and usually ribbed for a firm grip. An iron sight was forged just aft of the muzzle. The proper position for Model 10 function was the firing hand around the grip, the shoulder stock tucked into the shoulder pit and the supporting hand at the pump-action slide. The weapon's rate-of-fire was, therefore, limited to the speed of the action while reloading was relatively simple.

The model 10 predates the model 17. it is bottom feed, bottom eject

In 1915 John Browning patented a pump-action shotgun with the following features: hammerless, under-loading, tubular-magazine, bottom-ejecting, and take-down. This design would eventually become the Remington Model 17.[1] Manufacturing rights were sold to Remington Arms shortly after, but due to the production efforts of World War I, Remington was unable to begin manufacturing until 1921. Before production began John Pedersen made alterations to the design, with more changes made later by G.H. Garrison. The Model 17 was a trim, 20-gauge shotgun that served as the design basis for three highly successful shotguns: the Remington Model 31, the Ithaca 37 and the Browning BPS. Additionally, features of the Model 17 were also incorporated in the later Mossberg 500 and Remington 870.

The model 17 seems to be what Ithaca bought. Seems Browning used the loading, unloading concept of the model 10. Looks also like what was changed from the 10 was how the thing broke down. the Model 10 barrel and magazine stayed together as "one piece" where the Model 17 just the barrel separated from the receiver. History is a hoot, isn't it.

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Nov 28, 2017 8:27:14 GMT -5 bamorin said:

Nov 27, 2017 13:13:29 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

No.
It was the Remington MODEL 17.

"It eventually chose a design patented by John Browning in 1915 and put forth as the Remington Model 17, a contemporary of the Winchester Model 12 that everyone seemed to want at the time. Trouble was, of course, Ithaca had to wait until Browning’s patent—owned by Remington—expired before it could utilize the features of the shotgun, so not much could be done until 1932."

www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/8/25/a-look-back-at-the-ithaca-model-37-shotgun/

The Model 10 shotgun was introduced to Remington lines in 1910, originally as a sporting system. Production would ultimately span from 1908 until 1929 before the type was discontinued. All versions were 12-gauge and barrel lengths offered were the long-form 32-inch model and a shortened, compact 20-inch version. The action was manual through working of the slide mounted under the barrel and around the cylindrical magazine. The magazine was of basic tube form and incorporated up to five shells inline. A button along the right side of the receiver was held down with each pump-action to introduce a fresh shell into the chamber and eject any spent ones. . The loading port was located under the receiver ahead of the trigger and doubled as the ejection port. Take-down was relatively easy and produced two components - the barrel/magazine tube with slide and the receiver with shoulder stock and trigger group. Each model featured a fixed, ergonomic solid wood stock attached to the end of the receiver with a formed pistol grip. The slide was also wooden and usually ribbed for a firm grip. An iron sight was forged just aft of the muzzle. The proper position for Model 10 function was the firing hand around the grip, the shoulder stock tucked into the shoulder pit and the supporting hand at the pump-action slide. The weapon's rate-of-fire was, therefore, limited to the speed of the action while reloading was relatively simple.

The model 10 predates the model 17. it is bottom feed, bottom eject

In 1915 John Browning patented a pump-action shotgun with the following features: hammerless, under-loading, tubular-magazine, bottom-ejecting, and take-down. This design would eventually become the Remington Model 17.[1] Manufacturing rights were sold to Remington Arms shortly after, but due to the production efforts of World War I, Remington was unable to begin manufacturing until 1921. Before production began John Pedersen made alterations to the design, with more changes made later by G.H. Garrison. The Model 17 was a trim, 20-gauge shotgun that served as the design basis for three highly successful shotguns: the Remington Model 31, the Ithaca 37 and the Browning BPS. Additionally, features of the Model 17 were also incorporated in the later Mossberg 500 and Remington 870.

The model 17 seems to be what Ithaca bought. Seems Browning used the loading, unloading concept of the model 10. Looks also like what was changed from the 10 was how the thing broke down. the Model 10 barrel and magazine stayed together as "one piece" where the Model 17 just the barrel separated from the receiver. History is a hoot, isn't it.

Yep, you looked farther back than I did.
A MAJOR change that I see is the elimination of the Model 10's button that had to be pressed in order to cycle the action.  That to me would be the broken link in the Model 10 to Model 17 chain, but I'm not a firearms expert. 

Either way, I like the Ithaca Model 37, even though I don't currently own one.

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Nov 28, 2017 13:29:36 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Nov 28, 2017 8:27:14 GMT -5 bamorin said:

The Model 10 shotgun was introduced to Remington lines in 1910, originally as a sporting system. Production would ultimately span from 1908 until 1929 before the type was discontinued. All versions were 12-gauge and barrel lengths offered were the long-form 32-inch model and a shortened, compact 20-inch version. The action was manual through working of the slide mounted under the barrel and around the cylindrical magazine. The magazine was of basic tube form and incorporated up to five shells inline. A button along the right side of the receiver was held down with each pump-action to introduce a fresh shell into the chamber and eject any spent ones. . The loading port was located under the receiver ahead of the trigger and doubled as the ejection port. Take-down was relatively easy and produced two components - the barrel/magazine tube with slide and the receiver with shoulder stock and trigger group. Each model featured a fixed, ergonomic solid wood stock attached to the end of the receiver with a formed pistol grip. The slide was also wooden and usually ribbed for a firm grip. An iron sight was forged just aft of the muzzle. The proper position for Model 10 function was the firing hand around the grip, the shoulder stock tucked into the shoulder pit and the supporting hand at the pump-action slide. The weapon's rate-of-fire was, therefore, limited to the speed of the action while reloading was relatively simple.

The model 10 predates the model 17. it is bottom feed, bottom eject

In 1915 John Browning patented a pump-action shotgun with the following features: hammerless, under-loading, tubular-magazine, bottom-ejecting, and take-down. This design would eventually become the Remington Model 17.[1] Manufacturing rights were sold to Remington Arms shortly after, but due to the production efforts of World War I, Remington was unable to begin manufacturing until 1921. Before production began John Pedersen made alterations to the design, with more changes made later by G.H. Garrison. The Model 17 was a trim, 20-gauge shotgun that served as the design basis for three highly successful shotguns: the Remington Model 31, the Ithaca 37 and the Browning BPS. Additionally, features of the Model 17 were also incorporated in the later Mossberg 500 and Remington 870.

The model 17 seems to be what Ithaca bought. Seems Browning used the loading, unloading concept of the model 10. Looks also like what was changed from the 10 was how the thing broke down. the Model 10 barrel and magazine stayed together as "one piece" where the Model 17 just the barrel separated from the receiver. History is a hoot, isn't it.

Yep, you looked farther back than I did.
A MAJOR change that I see is the elimination of the Model 10's button that had to be pressed in order to cycle the action.  That to me would be the broken link in the Model 10 to Model 17 chain, but I'm not a firearms expert. 

Either way, I like the Ithaca Model 37, even though I don't currently own one.

I do... a 16 gauge M37.

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Nov 28, 2017 22:26:32 GMT -5 @kelliers said:

Nov 28, 2017 13:29:36 GMT -5 @muttthemaster said:

Yep, you looked farther back than I did.
A MAJOR change that I see is the elimination of the Model 10's button that had to be pressed in order to cycle the action.  That to me would be the broken link in the Model 10 to Model 17 chain, but I'm not a firearms expert. 

Either way, I like the Ithaca Model 37, even though I don't currently own one.

I do... a 16 gauge M37.

I HAD a 20 GA M-37 that belonged to my grandfather, but I think one of my brothers has it now.