ncaa does actually open investigation into michigan state

[snap infraction]

www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/sports/michigan-state-ncaa-investigation.html

michigan state should pay someone 9 million dollars to write a report that disparages their entire community and have the board of trustees and univ president accept it w/o any review and then take down any statues around campus in a silly attempt to build goodwill with the ncaa and the public.  

on a serious note... this doesn't seem like it should be a NCAA matter.  it should be a legal matter.  lets see if the ncaa learned their lesson this time and follows their own rules and procedures. i guess an argument could be made that the ncaa rules over student athlete welfare and that if any abuses by nasser on student athletes were reported to coaches and other univ staffers, then something should have been done.  i still don't think it gave msu a competitive advantage though.  

[mscott59]

Jan 24, 2018 10:57:31 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/sports/michigan-state-ncaa-investigation.html

michigan state should pay someone 9 million dollars to write a report that disparages their entire community and have the board of trustees and univ president accept it w/o any review and then take down any statues around campus in a silly attempt to build goodwill with the ncaa and the public.  

on a serious note... this doesn't seem like it should be a NCAA matter.  it should be a legal matter.  lets see if the ncaa learned their lesson this time and follows their own rules and procedures. i guess an argument could be made that the ncaa rules over student athlete welfare and that if any abuses by nasser on student athletes were reported to coaches and other univ staffers, then something should have been done.  i still don't think it gave msu a competitive advantage though.  

the only issue for the ncaa would be a potential competitive advantage? how about abusing college student athletes, as well at seemingly just about every gymnast regardless of age who came thru his doors? , after a title ix investigation, apparently, by the university did not result in enough evidence to relive nassar of his duties at msu, over a dozen girls said they were abused by him. while university police did another investigation, this one lasting 14 months, this guy was not only allowed to keep his office on campus, but to keep seeing patients. does that scenario ring a bell? it's absolutely unreal how similar this is, especially when it comes to university execs having no situational vision while this was playing out. I'll be disappointed if the ncaa doesn't bring a hammer down on sparty for their administration acting so callously.

[mscott59]

Jan 24, 2018 12:30:06 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Jan 24, 2018 10:57:31 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/sports/michigan-state-ncaa-investigation.html

michigan state should pay someone 9 million dollars to write a report that disparages their entire community and have the board of trustees and univ president accept it w/o any review and then take down any statues around campus in a silly attempt to build goodwill with the ncaa and the public.  

on a serious note... this doesn't seem like it should be a NCAA matter.  it should be a legal matter.  lets see if the ncaa learned their lesson this time and follows their own rules and procedures. i guess an argument could be made that the ncaa rules over student athlete welfare and that if any abuses by nasser on student athletes were reported to coaches and other univ staffers, then something should have been done.  i still don't think it gave msu a competitive advantage though.  

the only issue for the ncaa would be a potential competitive advantage? how about abusing college student athletes, as well at seemingly just about every gymnast regardless of age who came thru his doors? , after a title ix investigation, apparently, by the university did not result in enough evidence to relive nassar of his duties at msu, over a dozen girls said they were abused by him. while university police did another investigation, this one lasting 14 months, this guy was not only allowed to keep his office on campus, but to keep seeing patients. does that scenario ring a bell? it's absolutely unreal how similar this is, especially when it comes to university execs having no situational vision while this was playing out. I'll be disappointed if the ncaa doesn't bring a hammer down on sparty for their administration acting so callously.

fyi nassar was just sentenced to 40-175 years for the sexual assault conviction.

[snap infraction]

Jan 24, 2018 12:30:06 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Jan 24, 2018 10:57:31 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/sports/michigan-state-ncaa-investigation.html

michigan state should pay someone 9 million dollars to write a report that disparages their entire community and have the board of trustees and univ president accept it w/o any review and then take down any statues around campus in a silly attempt to build goodwill with the ncaa and the public.  

on a serious note... this doesn't seem like it should be a NCAA matter.  it should be a legal matter.  lets see if the ncaa learned their lesson this time and follows their own rules and procedures. i guess an argument could be made that the ncaa rules over student athlete welfare and that if any abuses by nasser on student athletes were reported to coaches and other univ staffers, then something should have been done.  i still don't think it gave msu a competitive advantage though.  

the only issue for the ncaa would be a potential competitive advantage? how about abusing college student athletes, as well at seemingly just about every gymnast regardless of age who came thru his doors? , after a title ix investigation, apparently, by the university did not result in enough evidence to relive nassar of his duties at msu, over a dozen girls said they were abused by him. while university police did another investigation, this one lasting 14 months, this guy was not only allowed to keep his office on campus, but to keep seeing patients. does that scenario ring a bell? it's absolutely unreal how similar this is, especially when it comes to university execs having no situational vision while this was playing out. I'll be disappointed if the ncaa doesn't bring a hammer down on sparty for their administration acting so callously.

i mentioned that an argument could be made that ncaa has some jurisdiction since this matter impacted the welfare of student athletes at the school.  and i'm ok if the ncaa wants to heavily fine michigan state.  but i oppose any punishment that impacts other future student athletes, students and the fans of the school.  

[mscott59]

Jan 24, 2018 12:49:21 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

Jan 24, 2018 12:30:06 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

the only issue for the ncaa would be a potential competitive advantage? how about abusing college student athletes, as well at seemingly just about every gymnast regardless of age who came thru his doors? , after a title ix investigation, apparently, by the university did not result in enough evidence to relive nassar of his duties at msu, over a dozen girls said they were abused by him. while university police did another investigation, this one lasting 14 months, this guy was not only allowed to keep his office on campus, but to keep seeing patients. does that scenario ring a bell? it's absolutely unreal how similar this is, especially when it comes to university execs having no situational vision while this was playing out. I'll be disappointed if the ncaa doesn't bring a hammer down on sparty for their administration acting so callously.

i mentioned that an argument could be made that ncaa has some jurisdiction since this matter impacted the welfare of student athletes at the school.  and i'm ok if the ncaa wants to heavily fine michigan state.  but i oppose any punishment that impacts other future student athletes, students and the fans of the school.  

but which, do you think, is the deterrent with greater impact? a fine, even a heavy one, which most major schools can make up either thru donations (psu certainly made that a campaign amongst alums) or punishing the program in the future? rhetorical... your answer indicates your preference (fine) as well as the more feared penalty (future sanctions). is it unfair, most importantly to the future student athletes? sure can be, but i think it speaks louder to admins who might cheat, or look the other way re ncaa rules or just what basically is the right thing to do, than monetary fines, especially with cfb being simply awash with cash today.

[mscott59]

Jan 24, 2018 12:45:21 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Jan 24, 2018 12:30:06 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

the only issue for the ncaa would be a potential competitive advantage? how about abusing college student athletes, as well at seemingly just about every gymnast regardless of age who came thru his doors? , after a title ix investigation, apparently, by the university did not result in enough evidence to relive nassar of his duties at msu, over a dozen girls said they were abused by him. while university police did another investigation, this one lasting 14 months, this guy was not only allowed to keep his office on campus, but to keep seeing patients. does that scenario ring a bell? it's absolutely unreal how similar this is, especially when it comes to university execs having no situational vision while this was playing out. I'll be disappointed if the ncaa doesn't bring a hammer down on sparty for their administration acting so callously.

fyi nassar was just sentenced to 40-175 years for the sexual assault conviction.

btw 156 girls/women testified in the sentencing phase over the past week, saying nassar had abused them at least once in the last 20 years. nassar had written the court last week defending his medical practices saying the women claiming abuse were lying for media attention/financial rewards. the judge read the letter in court today before handing down her sentence. he pleaded guilty to 7 counts of criminal sexual conduct, to 3 more counts where sentencing will happen in another county, and received a 60 year federal prison term for child pornography charges.

rachel denhollander was the final victim to speak. she was the main subject of a story done by the indianapolis star about a year and a half ago, detailing how msu, usa gymnastics and the us olympic committee basically turned a repeated blind eye to nassar's abuse/assault patterns.

[snap infraction]

Jan 24, 2018 12:58:20 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Jan 24, 2018 12:49:21 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

i mentioned that an argument could be made that ncaa has some jurisdiction since this matter impacted the welfare of student athletes at the school.  and i'm ok if the ncaa wants to heavily fine michigan state.  but i oppose any punishment that impacts other future student athletes, students and the fans of the school.  

but which, do you think, is the deterrent with greater impact? a fine, even a heavy one, which most major schools can make up either thru donations (psu certainly made that a campaign amongst alums) or punishing the program in the future? rhetorical... your answer indicates your preference (fine) as well as the more feared penalty (future sanctions). is it unfair, most importantly to the future student athletes? sure can be, but i think it speaks louder to admins who might cheat, or look the other way re ncaa rules or just what basically is the right thing to do, than monetary fines, especially with cfb being simply awash with cash today.

the scummy people who turned a blind will all be long gone by the time the school is punished so the only people impacted by the ncaa stepping in would only be completely innocent people.  

the penn state scandal was only 6 years ago.  the ncaa took actions and came down hard.  michigan state and every other athletic department in the country paid attention.  everyone knew what could happen if they were not vigilant in preventing sexual abuse.  yet this larry nassar creep was still able to get away with his crimes for far too long.  therefore i don't buy the argument that actions speak louder.  

the best thing that happened to penn state in the freeh report/ncaa involvement was they were forced to educate themselves and the school implemented new rules and policies that were put into place so it didn't happen again.  michigan state needs to do the same thing.  

[mscott59]

Jan 24, 2018 13:18:51 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

Jan 24, 2018 12:58:20 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

but which, do you think, is the deterrent with greater impact? a fine, even a heavy one, which most major schools can make up either thru donations (psu certainly made that a campaign amongst alums) or punishing the program in the future? rhetorical... your answer indicates your preference (fine) as well as the more feared penalty (future sanctions). is it unfair, most importantly to the future student athletes? sure can be, but i think it speaks louder to admins who might cheat, or look the other way re ncaa rules or just what basically is the right thing to do, than monetary fines, especially with cfb being simply awash with cash today.

the scummy people who turned a blind will all be long gone by the time the school is punished so the only people impacted by the ncaa stepping in would only be completely innocent people.  

the penn state scandal was only 6 years ago.  the ncaa took actions and came down hard.  michigan state and every other athletic department in the country paid attention.  everyone knew what could happen if they were not vigilant in preventing sexual abuse.  yet this larry nassar creep was still able to get away with his crimes for far too long.  therefore i don't buy the argument that actions speak louder.  

the best thing that happened to penn state in the freeh report/ncaa involvement was they were forced to educate themselves and the school implemented new rules and policies that were put into place so it didn't happen again.  michigan state needs to do the same thing.  

did psu fans feel differently about the freeh report after the court case finally proved that execs, and joepa, did have prior knowledge? the similarities here are eery. admins at msu, usg and the usoc doing nearly exactly what psu execs did... even after the guy was being investigated first prompted by title ix and then a separate inquiry after that, and this guy still had a campus office and the school/sport organizations were feeding him patients. just a fine as punishment if they've been found to being either negligent or criminally compliant, just doesn't cut it imho.

allow kids hurt by sanctions to transfer w/o penalty... and as for fans, they have a choice as to where they focus their loyalties/financial support. withholding their backing due to a school choosing to put children, teens, and adults at risk this way would be even more justified, not a reason to lessen punishment, again imho.

[oujour76]

Jan 24, 2018 13:18:51 GMT -5 snap infraction said:

the scummy people who turned a blind will all be long gone by the time the school is punished so the only people impacted by the ncaa stepping in would only be completely innocent people.  

the penn state scandal was only 6 years ago.  the ncaa took actions and came down hard.  michigan state and every other athletic department in the country paid attention.  everyone knew what could happen if they were not vigilant in preventing sexual abuse.  yet this larry nassar creep was still able to get away with his crimes for far too long.  therefore i don't buy the argument that actions speak louder.  

the best thing that happened to penn state in the freeh report/ncaa involvement was they were forced to educate themselves and the school implemented new rules and policies that were put into place so it didn't happen again.  michigan state needs to do the same thing.  

Never thought I would say it, but this is far worse than Penn State. Just have to SMH.

[AlaCowboy]

If it is found that coaches and/or administrators knew or had reasonable suspicions that this continued abuse was going on, and did nothing to remove this man from school sanctioned contact with students, then there should be criminal as well as civil liability. I would have no problem with the NCAA shutting down the gymnastics program at MSU for 5 years if that's what it took to teach their members that this type of abuse will NEVER be accepted.

[Buckeye Dale]

IF LARRY NASSAR WAS SELLING UNLICENSED SPARTY T-SHIRTS INSTEAD OF MOLESTING HUNDREDS OF GIRLS, MICHIGAN STATE WOULD HAVE STOPPED HIM IMMEDIATELY
By Ramzy Nasrallah on January 31, 2018 at 1:05 pm

www.elevenwarriors.com/college-sports/2018/01/90695/if-larry-nassar-was-selling-unlicensed-sparty-tshirts-instead-of-molesting-hundreds-of-girls-MSU-would-have-stopped-him-immediately

[oujour76]

Feb 1, 2018 0:47:10 GMT -5 Buckeye Dale said:

IF LARRY NASSAR WAS SELLING UNLICENSED SPARTY T-SHIRTS INSTEAD OF MOLESTING HUNDREDS OF GIRLS, MICHIGAN STATE WOULD HAVE STOPPED HIM IMMEDIATELY
By Ramzy Nasrallah on January 31, 2018 at 1:05 pm

www.elevenwarriors.com/college-sports/2018/01/90695/if-larry-nassar-was-selling-unlicensed-sparty-tshirts-instead-of-molesting-hundreds-of-girls-MSU-would-have-stopped-him-immediately

Wow, that headline stops you in your tracks because it's so true. The trademark cops would have been on the case in five minutes or less.

[daleko]

Feb 1, 2018 11:05:23 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Feb 1, 2018 0:47:10 GMT -5 Buckeye Dale said:

IF LARRY NASSAR WAS SELLING UNLICENSED SPARTY T-SHIRTS INSTEAD OF MOLESTING HUNDREDS OF GIRLS, MICHIGAN STATE WOULD HAVE STOPPED HIM IMMEDIATELY
By Ramzy Nasrallah on January 31, 2018 at 1:05 pm

www.elevenwarriors.com/college-sports/2018/01/90695/if-larry-nassar-was-selling-unlicensed-sparty-tshirts-instead-of-molesting-hundreds-of-girls-MSU-would-have-stopped-him-immediately

Wow, that headline stops you in your tracks because it's so true. The trademark cops would have been on the case in five minutes or less.

Floated an idea awhile back to market edible pasties w college logos. The NCAA didn't approve. <shrug> Even the wives/GF wouldn't model them for us.

Edible stock, food contact approved color, local printer. Winner. Would have sold millions.