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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 23:33:31 GMT -5
Surprisingly good article by Tom Jackman at WaPo tonight about the evidence that Sirhan was a bona fide Manchurian candidate.
The article discusses the lengthy study of Sirhan by Dr. Ronald P. Brown, an Associate Professor of Psychology at Harvard Medical School who is an expert in hypnosis.
The article also discusses Professor Alan Scheflin's history of CIA Operation MK-ULTRA, called The Mind Manipulators.
James DiEugenio expressed surprise that the WaPo was willing to report on Ronald Brown's work on the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 19:20:04 GMT -5
Wow. A strange WaPo honesty double header this week-- for the 50th anniversary of RFK's murder. They published a good article about the long-suppressed Pruszynski audio tape documenting the 13 gun shots fired at the Ambassador Hotel.
One of the research guys at the Education Forum was joking this week that Jeff Bezos should join our JFK Assassination history forum.
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Post by Walter on Jun 7, 2018 22:56:52 GMT -5
Wow. A strange WaPo honesty double header this week-- for the 50th anniversary of RFK's murder. They published a good article about the long-suppressed Pruszynski audio tape documenting the 13 gun shots fired at the Ambassador Hotel. One of the research guys at the Education Forum was joking this week that Jeff Bezos should join our JFK Assassination history forum. I am pretty certain the additional 5 shots were holograms. FTR, the claim of additional shots has never been verified. But if we consider holograms, I admit that the plausibility goes way up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 8:34:12 GMT -5
Wow. A strange WaPo honesty double header this week-- for the 50th anniversary of RFK's murder. They published a good article about the long-suppressed Pruszynski audio tape documenting the 13 gun shots fired at the Ambassador Hotel. One of the research guys at the Education Forum was joking this week that Jeff Bezos should join our JFK Assassination history forum. I am pretty certain the additional 5 shots were holograms. FTR, the claim of additional shots has never been verified. But if we consider holograms, I admit that the plausibility goes way up. Inside the far alt-left wingnut zealot echo chamber three shots can sound like thirteen due to the nature of echo chambers. And that ain't no gaslighting or false flag conspiracy neither. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 12:02:23 GMT -5
Wow. A strange WaPo honesty double header this week-- for the 50th anniversary of RFK's murder. They published a good article about the long-suppressed Pruszynski audio tape documenting the 13 gun shots fired at the Ambassador Hotel. One of the research guys at the Education Forum was joking this week that Jeff Bezos should join our JFK Assassination history forum. I am pretty certain the additional 5 shots were holograms. FTR, the claim of additional shots has never been verified. But if we consider holograms, I admit that the plausibility goes way up. Walter,
You're dead wrong again, as always in our debates. Study the definitive forensic data analysis in the case by Lisa Pease.
The 10-13 shots fired at the Ambassador Hotel have been confirmed for years by multiple witnesses, ballistics analysis, and, most clearly, by the audio tape of a Polish television journalist.
What were the trajectories of the fatal bullets in the case? Could they have been fired from Sirhan's position? (NO)
Did the forensic analysis show that the bullets that killed RFK were fired from Sirhan's gun? (NO)
Did multiple witnesses see any people fleeing from the murder scene? (YES)
Did the LAPD issue APBs on these fugitives? (NO)
Why not? Did the men in charge of the RFK assassination investigation have any known connections with the CIA? (YES)
Did "Security Guard" Thane Eugene Cesar, who openly drew a gun during RFK's murder, have any known connections with the CIA? (YES)
Did the LAPD or FBI confiscate or examine Cesar's gun? (NO)
Did Cesar lie to the authorities about his gun? (YES)
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Post by Walter on Jun 8, 2018 15:56:06 GMT -5
I am pretty certain the additional 5 shots were holograms. FTR, the claim of additional shots has never been verified. But if we consider holograms, I admit that the plausibility goes way up. Walter, You're dead wrong again, as always in our debates. Study the definitive forensic data analysis in the case by Lisa Pease. The 10-13 shots fired at the Ambassador Hotel have been confirmed for years by multiple witnesses, ballistics analysis, and, most clearly, by the audio tape of a Polish television journalist. What were the trajectories of the fatal bullets in the case? Could they have been fired from Sirhan's position? (NO)
Did the forensic analysis show that the bullets that killed RFK were fired from Sirhan's gun? (NO) Did multiple witnesses see any people fleeing from the murder scene? (YES) Did the LAPD issue APBs on these fugitives? (NO) Why not? Did the men in charge of the RFK assassination investigation have any known connections with the CIA? (YES)
Did "Security Guard" Thane Eugene Cesar, who openly drew a gun during RFK's murder, have any known connections with the CIA? (YES)
Did the LAPD or FBI confiscate or examine Cesar's gun? (NO) Did Cesar lie to the authorities about his gun? (YES)
Here. Chew on this. No. 1 entered Kennedy's head behind the right ear. (Coroner Thomas Noguchi said it "exploded" in the brain and was the cause of death). It was recovered there. No. 2 passed through Kennedy's right shoulder pad and hit Paul Schrade in the forehead. No. 3 entered Kennedy's right rear shoulder and came to rest at the sixth cervical vertebra. No. 4 entered one inch to the right of No. 3, exited right front chest, hit a ceiling tile and was "lost somewhere in the ceiling innerspace." No. 5 hit Ira Goldstein in left rear buttock. No. 6 passed through Goldstein's left pants leg, hit cement floor and entered Irwin Stroll's leg. No. 7 struck William Weisel in the left abdomen. No. 8 hit plaster ceiling, richocheted and hit Elizabeth Evans in the forehead. There are no other bullets to be accounted for. Where did the other five bullets go? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 19:22:17 GMT -5
Walter, You're dead wrong again, as always in our debates. Study the definitive forensic data analysis in the case by Lisa Pease. The 10-13 shots fired at the Ambassador Hotel have been confirmed for years by multiple witnesses, ballistics analysis, and, most clearly, by the audio tape of a Polish television journalist. What were the trajectories of the fatal bullets in the case? Could they have been fired from Sirhan's position? (NO)
Did the forensic analysis show that the bullets that killed RFK were fired from Sirhan's gun? (NO) Did multiple witnesses see any people fleeing from the murder scene? (YES) Did the LAPD issue APBs on these fugitives? (NO) Why not? Did the men in charge of the RFK assassination investigation have any known connections with the CIA? (YES)
Did "Security Guard" Thane Eugene Cesar, who openly drew a gun during RFK's murder, have any known connections with the CIA? (YES)
Did the LAPD or FBI confiscate or examine Cesar's gun? (NO) Did Cesar lie to the authorities about his gun? (YES)
Here. Chew on this. No. 1 entered Kennedy's head behind the right ear. (Coroner Thomas Noguchi said it "exploded" in the brain and was the cause of death). It was recovered there. No. 2 passed through Kennedy's right shoulder pad and hit Paul Schrade in the forehead. No. 3 entered Kennedy's right rear shoulder and came to rest at the sixth cervical vertebra. No. 4 entered one inch to the right of No. 3, exited right front chest, hit a ceiling tile and was "lost somewhere in the ceiling innerspace." No. 5 hit Ira Goldstein in left rear buttock. No. 6 passed through Goldstein's left pants leg, hit cement floor and entered Irwin Stroll's leg. No. 7 struck William Weisel in the left abdomen. No. 8 hit plaster ceiling, richocheted and hit Elizabeth Evans in the forehead. There are no other bullets to be accounted for. Where did the other five bullets go? Wrong, Walter. I know your "official" fake CIA/media story about the "eight" bullets. It's dead wrong. Now, study the actual forensic data. (Lisa Pease/ in The Assassinations) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 19:43:32 GMT -5
BTW, Lisa Pease and other analysts have easily debunked Walter's multiple "Magic Bullets" RFK assassination theory paradigm of the "eight bullets."
There are so many flaws in the "Magic Bullets" RFK narrative that it makes Arlen Specter's infamous JFK "Magic Bullet" theory look semi-credible, by comparison.
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Post by oujour76 on Jun 8, 2018 20:46:25 GMT -5
Walter, You're dead wrong again, as always in our debates. Study the definitive forensic data analysis in the case by Lisa Pease. The 10-13 shots fired at the Ambassador Hotel have been confirmed for years by multiple witnesses, ballistics analysis, and, most clearly, by the audio tape of a Polish television journalist. What were the trajectories of the fatal bullets in the case? Could they have been fired from Sirhan's position? (NO)
Did the forensic analysis show that the bullets that killed RFK were fired from Sirhan's gun? (NO) Did multiple witnesses see any people fleeing from the murder scene? (YES) Did the LAPD issue APBs on these fugitives? (NO) Why not? Did the men in charge of the RFK assassination investigation have any known connections with the CIA? (YES)
Did "Security Guard" Thane Eugene Cesar, who openly drew a gun during RFK's murder, have any known connections with the CIA? (YES)
Did the LAPD or FBI confiscate or examine Cesar's gun? (NO) Did Cesar lie to the authorities about his gun? (YES)
Here. Chew on this. No. 1 entered Kennedy's head behind the right ear. (Coroner Thomas Noguchi said it "exploded" in the brain and was the cause of death). It was recovered there. No. 2 passed through Kennedy's right shoulder pad and hit Paul Schrade in the forehead. No. 3 entered Kennedy's right rear shoulder and came to rest at the sixth cervical vertebra. No. 4 entered one inch to the right of No. 3, exited right front chest, hit a ceiling tile and was "lost somewhere in the ceiling innerspace." No. 5 hit Ira Goldstein in left rear buttock. No. 6 passed through Goldstein's left pants leg, hit cement floor and entered Irwin Stroll's leg. No. 7 struck William Weisel in the left abdomen. No. 8 hit plaster ceiling, richocheted and hit Elizabeth Evans in the forehead. There are no other bullets to be accounted for. Where did the other five bullets go?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 21:57:57 GMT -5
Here. Chew on this. No. 1 entered Kennedy's head behind the right ear. (Coroner Thomas Noguchi said it "exploded" in the brain and was the cause of death). It was recovered there. No. 2 passed through Kennedy's right shoulder pad and hit Paul Schrade in the forehead. No. 3 entered Kennedy's right rear shoulder and came to rest at the sixth cervical vertebra. No. 4 entered one inch to the right of No. 3, exited right front chest, hit a ceiling tile and was "lost somewhere in the ceiling innerspace." No. 5 hit Ira Goldstein in left rear buttock. No. 6 passed through Goldstein's left pants leg, hit cement floor and entered Irwin Stroll's leg. No. 7 struck William Weisel in the left abdomen. No. 8 hit plaster ceiling, richocheted and hit Elizabeth Evans in the forehead. There are no other bullets to be accounted for. Where did the other five bullets go?
Hell, where's the fun in dealing with facts? These aren't the forensic facts, Harry. They are the forensic fiction. Among other facts, Walter forgot about the two bullets found in the door molding. If you and Walter ever look at the actual ballistics data, you will be forced to admit that RFK was shot several times from behind, at point blank range, by bullets that were not fired from Sirhan's gun. And, in any case, Sirhan was three feet in front of RFK. He was tackled after firing two shots from IN FRONT of RFK. 13 shots from two different guns (firing in rapid succession) are audible on the Pruszynski tape at the Ambassador Hotel, which is consistent with the long-suppressed witness testimony. |
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Post by Walter on Jun 9, 2018 9:51:02 GMT -5
Ah, familiar territory that I knew we'd enter as soon as I posted real data.
"It's those clever chaps at the CIA who concocted a fake narrative. They drugged everyone at LAPD and anyone else involved to not notice direct evidence".
When you think about it, Willie's technique is identical to the tactics of Trumpists. Push a fake conspiracy and then when faced with actual contrary facts, blame it on a mysterious deep state cabal that they cannot identify.
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