Could Hurricane Michael decide Floridas elections?

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Saw an interesting story about this. First online then on MSNBC

The area that Hurricane Michael destroyed is no where close to being fixed just a few weeks later. Houses are still destroyed and power not restored.

How could these people vote next week??

MSNBC interviewed a lot of them and there was some who still vowed to vote eventhough they have no idea how or where but a lot said they got way more important things to do and on their mind than vote

This area is solid Republican. Current Gov Scott won reelection by just 60,000 votes and over half of them came from these counties in the Florida panhandle which is now destroyed. Board of election leader in the county where Panama city is said they usually have over 40 places to vote around the area and 600 election workers. This year theyll be 6 places open to vote and only around 100 workers.

One expert said the Hurricane could cost Republicans 1-2% in votes. That's huge in a close race

[oujour76]

Oct 31, 2018 8:52:02 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes35 said:

Saw an interesting story about this. First online then on MSNBC

The area that Hurricane Michael destroyed is no where close to being fixed just a few weeks later. Houses are still destroyed and power not restored.

How could these people vote next week??

MSNBC interviewed a lot of them and there was some who still vowed to vote eventhough they have no idea how or where but a lot said they got way more important things to do and on their mind than vote

This area is solid Republican. Current Gov Scott won reelection by just 60,000 votes and over half of them came from these counties in the Florida panhandle which is now destroyed. Board of election leader in the county where Panama city is said they usually have over 40 places to vote around the area and 600 election workers. This year theyll be 6 places open to vote and only around 100 workers.

One expert said the Hurricane could cost Republicans 1-2% in votes. That's huge in a close race

Voter suppression. 😎

[AlaCowboy]

Oddly enough, this very situation was discussed last week when we had our training session for the Nov. 6 general election. The county Emergency Management Agency has a dozen generators that can be moved where needed, and provisions are in place to have paper ballots securely stored and a sheriffs deputy or police officer would be on hand to see those ballots were cast after power was restored. There is a statewide plan for such an emergency.
Hurricane Sandy was mentioned. New York and New Jersey had generators in place and many polling locations were simply moved to a nearby location, or in some cases, were set up in a parking lot. Voting hours were extended to allow as many as possible to vote. Provisional ballots were allowed for anyone that could not get to their normal voting precinct. Absentee voting deadlines were extended to give people the time to get ballots in.
Florida should be communicating to voters the procedures they have in place.
This very situation is why paper ballots that are fed into a tabulator are ideal at every polling place. If power goes out, the paper ballots are fed into a locked drawer that stores them until they can be fed into the tabulator once power is restored. We had that happen with temporary power outages at two polling places in the primary election.

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Oct 31, 2018 9:54:12 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Oddly enough, this very situation was discussed last week when we had our training session for the Nov. 6 general election. The county Emergency Management Agency has a dozen generators that can be moved where needed, and provisions are in place to have paper ballots securely stored and a sheriffs deputy or police officer would be on hand to see those ballots were cast after power was restored. There is a statewide plan for such an emergency.
Hurricane Sandy was mentioned. New York and New Jersey had generators in place and many polling locations were simply moved to a nearby location, or in some cases, were set up in a parking lot. Voting hours were extended to allow as many as possible to vote. Provisional ballots were allowed for anyone that could not get to their normal voting precinct. Absentee voting deadlines were extended to give people the time to get ballots in.
Florida should be communicating to voters the procedures they have in place.
This very situation is why paper ballots that are fed into a tabulator are ideal at every polling place. If power goes out, the paper ballots are fed into a locked drawer that stores them until they can be fed into the tabulator once power is restored. We had that happen with temporary power outages at two polling places in the primary election.

All good things. But a lot of these people said they're not even going to try and vote

[AlaCowboy]

Oct 31, 2018 10:06:51 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes35 said:

Oct 31, 2018 9:54:12 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Oddly enough, this very situation was discussed last week when we had our training session for the Nov. 6 general election. The county Emergency Management Agency has a dozen generators that can be moved where needed, and provisions are in place to have paper ballots securely stored and a sheriffs deputy or police officer would be on hand to see those ballots were cast after power was restored. There is a statewide plan for such an emergency.
Hurricane Sandy was mentioned. New York and New Jersey had generators in place and many polling locations were simply moved to a nearby location, or in some cases, were set up in a parking lot. Voting hours were extended to allow as many as possible to vote. Provisional ballots were allowed for anyone that could not get to their normal voting precinct. Absentee voting deadlines were extended to give people the time to get ballots in.
Florida should be communicating to voters the procedures they have in place.
This very situation is why paper ballots that are fed into a tabulator are ideal at every polling place. If power goes out, the paper ballots are fed into a locked drawer that stores them until they can be fed into the tabulator once power is restored. We had that happen with temporary power outages at two polling places in the primary election.

All good things. But a lot of these people said they're not even going to try and vote

That's THEIR problem, not the states. If the state makes emergency provisions and people still don't vote, they should not complain about the government they get.

[Deleted]

Oct 31, 2018 10:10:33 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Oct 31, 2018 10:06:51 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes35 said:

All good things. But a lot of these people said they're not even going to try and vote

That's THEIR problem, not the states. If the state makes emergency provisions and people still don't vote, they should not complain about the government they get.

I guess

I just saw a trump supporter on TV in Florida say she voted by paper ballot cause all the voting machines are owned by and ran by George Soros

[drjensen]

Oct 31, 2018 14:19:25 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes35 said:

Oct 31, 2018 10:10:33 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

That's THEIR problem, not the states. If the state makes emergency provisions and people still don't vote, they should not complain about the government they get.

I guess

I just saw a trump supporter on TV in Florida say she voted by paper ballot cause all the voting machines are owned by and ran by George Soros

Very intelligent lady!

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Oct 31, 2018 14:19:25 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes35 said:

Oct 31, 2018 10:10:33 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

That's THEIR problem, not the states. If the state makes emergency provisions and people still don't vote, they should not complain about the government they get.

I guess

I just saw a trump supporter on TV in Florida say she voted by paper ballot cause all the voting machines are owned by and ran by George Soros

Yeah, sort of like George Soros, allegedly, funding Trump's migrant caravan stunt.

As I recall, most of these voting machines are run by some Republicon outfit in Nebraska, that has ties to Kobach -- the GOP's sneaky vote suppression expert.

[daleko]

Oct 31, 2018 14:40:45 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Oct 31, 2018 14:19:25 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes35 said:

I guess

I just saw a trump supporter on TV in Florida say she voted by paper ballot cause all the voting machines are owned by and ran by George Soros

Yeah, sort of like George Soros, allegedly, funding Trump's migrant caravan stunt.

As I recall, most of these voting machines are run by some Republicon outfit in Nebraska, that has ties to Kobach -- the GOP's sneaky vote suppression expert.

In your opinion or is that factual? Just asking.

[AlaCowboy]

Oct 31, 2018 14:40:45 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Oct 31, 2018 14:19:25 GMT -5 @cwgbuckeyes35 said:

I guess

I just saw a trump supporter on TV in Florida say she voted by paper ballot cause all the voting machines are owned by and ran by George Soros

Yeah, sort of like George Soros, allegedly, funding Trump's migrant caravan stunt.

As I recall, most of these voting machines are run by some Republicon outfit in Nebraska, that has ties to Kobach -- the GOP's sneaky vote suppression expert.

This is "Politics Board With Rules." Cite your source or Walter should delete this post immediately!
Walter! Do your job! Tell this Idiot to abide by the rules.

[Walter]

Oct 31, 2018 20:45:32 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Oct 31, 2018 14:40:45 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Yeah, sort of like George Soros, allegedly, funding Trump's migrant caravan stunt.

As I recall, most of these voting machines are run by some Republicon outfit in Nebraska, that has ties to Kobach -- the GOP's sneaky vote suppression expert.

This is "Politics Board With Rules." Cite your source or Walter should delete this post immediately!
Walter! Do your job! Tell this Idiot to abide by the rules.

Cowboy is right. Post evidence or it comes down.

[Deleted]

Oct 31, 2018 22:24:04 GMT -5 Walter said:

Oct 31, 2018 20:45:32 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

This is "Politics Board With Rules." Cite your source or Walter should delete this post immediately!
Walter! Do your job! Tell this Idiot to abide by the rules.

Cowboy is right. Post evidence or it comes down.

I was referring to Nebraska-based Election Systems & Software

Here are some references.

I.  U.S. election integrity depends on security-challenged firms

www.thespectrum.com/story/news/2018/10/29/u-s-election-integrity-depends-security-challenged-firms/1813009002/

II.  Does pcAnywhere put election management systems at risk?
ES&S admitted it installed the insecure remote access program pcAnywhere on election management systems. Learn what pcAnywhere is and what this risk means for election systems.
searchsecurity.techtarget.com/answer/Does-pcAnywhere-put-election-management-systems-at-risk

III. Kansas Voting Machine Records Raise Questions
State statute requires Secretary of State Kobach to certify equipment before it is purchased by counties and to keep such certification on file. But the office could provide only two letters of equipment certification issued in the last five years.
www.govtech.com/policy/Kansas-Voting-Machine-Records-Raise-Questions.html


IV.  Security Concerns Stall Kris Kobach’s Controversial Voter Cross Check Tracking Program 

www.kcur.org/post/security-concerns-stall-kris-kobach-s-controversial-voter-tracking-program-kansas

June 20, 2018

A massive voter-tracking program run by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach — which purports to help states keep voter rolls accurate — has halted operations over concerns about its own accuracy and security.

The Interstate Crosscheck system, which Kobach’s office promised would be working ahead of the 2018 elections, has been sidelined while the U.S. Department of Homeland Security conducts a security assessment following the unintended release of hundreds of voters’ private information.

Each year, the Crosscheck program compares voter registration lists from more than two dozen states, searching for duplicate names. The stated goal is to prevent people from voting in more than one state and eliminate voter fraud — although being registered to vote in two states is not illegal. Crosscheck then sends a list of duplicate names to each participating state, the first step in a long process of voter list maintenance.

Crosscheck, at one time, held data on half the registered voters in the country, and critics have warned that the program isn’t keeping the voter data safe. Crosscheck recently came under fire for a data security breach that made public the names, dates of birth and partial Social Security numbers of 945 Kansas voters. Others say Crosscheck is being used as a tool for voter suppression.

On Tuesday, the system came under further criticism when the ACLU of Kansas filed a federal class-action lawsuit charging that Kobach’s “reckless maintenance” of Crosscheck violated voters’ constitutional right to privacy. The suit seeks the removal of Kansas from Crosscheck until proper cyber-security safeguards are put in place.

Micah Kubic, executive director of the ACLU of Kansas, said Crosscheck was created in 2005 to help election officials in several states keep voter lists up-to-date. But under Kobach, Crosscheck has become a “farce of a data-matching program,” he said.

“Under Secretary Kobach’s watch, the program has become technologically obsolete, shoddily implemented and an utterly ineffectual spreadsheet containing sensitive personal information,” he said.

The system has been criticized for failing to meet industry security standards, like encrypting data, and for sending sensitive information, including passwords for election officials, via email.

Kobach, the former vice chair of President Trump’s controversial voter fraud commission, said Kansas is working on Crosscheck’s problems and is cooperating with the Department of Homeland Security.

[daleko]

Nov 1, 2018 0:00:42 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Oct 31, 2018 22:24:04 GMT -5 Walter said:

Cowboy is right. Post evidence or it comes down.

I was referring to Nebraska-based Election Systems & Software

Here are some references.

I.  U.S. election integrity depends on security-challenged firms

www.thespectrum.com/story/news/2018/10/29/u-s-election-integrity-depends-security-challenged-firms/1813009002/

II.  Does pcAnywhere put election management systems at risk?
ES&S admitted it installed the insecure remote access program pcAnywhere on election management systems. Learn what pcAnywhere is and what this risk means for election systems.
searchsecurity.techtarget.com/answer/Does-pcAnywhere-put-election-management-systems-at-risk

III. Kansas Voting Machine Records Raise Questions
State statute requires Secretary of State Kobach to certify equipment before it is purchased by counties and to keep such certification on file. But the office could provide only two letters of equipment certification issued in the last five years.
www.govtech.com/policy/Kansas-Voting-Machine-Records-Raise-Questions.html


IV.  Security Concerns Stall Kris Kobach’s Controversial Voter Cross Check Tracking Program 

www.kcur.org/post/security-concerns-stall-kris-kobach-s-controversial-voter-tracking-program-kansas

June 20, 2018

A massive voter-tracking program run by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach — which purports to help states keep voter rolls accurate — has halted operations over concerns about its own accuracy and security.

The Interstate Crosscheck system, which Kobach’s office promised would be working ahead of the 2018 elections, has been sidelined while the U.S. Department of Homeland Security conducts a security assessment following the unintended release of hundreds of voters’ private information.

Each year, the Crosscheck program compares voter registration lists from more than two dozen states, searching for duplicate names. The stated goal is to prevent people from voting in more than one state and eliminate voter fraud — although being registered to vote in two states is not illegal. Crosscheck then sends a list of duplicate names to each participating state, the first step in a long process of voter list maintenance.

Crosscheck, at one time, held data on half the registered voters in the country, and critics have warned that the program isn’t keeping the voter data safe. Crosscheck recently came under fire for a data security breach that made public the names, dates of birth and partial Social Security numbers of 945 Kansas voters. Others say Crosscheck is being used as a tool for voter suppression.

On Tuesday, the system came under further criticism when the ACLU of Kansas filed a federal class-action lawsuit charging that Kobach’s “reckless maintenance” of Crosscheck violated voters’ constitutional right to privacy. The suit seeks the removal of Kansas from Crosscheck until proper cyber-security safeguards are put in place.

Micah Kubic, executive director of the ACLU of Kansas, said Crosscheck was created in 2005 to help election officials in several states keep voter lists up-to-date. But under Kobach, Crosscheck has become a “farce of a data-matching program,” he said.

“Under Secretary Kobach’s watch, the program has become technologically obsolete, shoddily implemented and an utterly ineffectual spreadsheet containing sensitive personal information,” he said.

The system has been criticized for failing to meet industry security standards, like encrypting data, and for sending sensitive information, including passwords for election officials, via email.

Kobach, the former vice chair of President Trump’s controversial voter fraud commission, said Kansas is working on Crosscheck’s problems and is cooperating with the Department of Homeland Security.

As I recall, most of these voting machines are run by some Republicon outfit in Nebraska, that has ties to Kobach -- the GOP's sneaky vote suppression expert.



Read more: aolcfboutcasts.proboards.com/thread/38775/hurricane-michael-decide-floridas-elections#ixzz5VcDulr3K

If that is your opinion on Kobach state it as such. If you have a link to a conviction or his jail term, post it.

[Walter]

Nov 1, 2018 10:07:35 GMT -5 daleko said:

Nov 1, 2018 0:00:42 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

I was referring to Nebraska-based Election Systems & Software

Here are some references.

I.  U.S. election integrity depends on security-challenged firms

www.thespectrum.com/story/news/2018/10/29/u-s-election-integrity-depends-security-challenged-firms/1813009002/

II.  Does pcAnywhere put election management systems at risk?
ES&S admitted it installed the insecure remote access program pcAnywhere on election management systems. Learn what pcAnywhere is and what this risk means for election systems.
searchsecurity.techtarget.com/answer/Does-pcAnywhere-put-election-management-systems-at-risk

III. Kansas Voting Machine Records Raise Questions
State statute requires Secretary of State Kobach to certify equipment before it is purchased by counties and to keep such certification on file. But the office could provide only two letters of equipment certification issued in the last five years.
www.govtech.com/policy/Kansas-Voting-Machine-Records-Raise-Questions.html


IV.  Security Concerns Stall Kris Kobach’s Controversial Voter Cross Check Tracking Program 

www.kcur.org/post/security-concerns-stall-kris-kobach-s-controversial-voter-tracking-program-kansas

June 20, 2018

A massive voter-tracking program run by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach — which purports to help states keep voter rolls accurate — has halted operations over concerns about its own accuracy and security.

The Interstate Crosscheck system, which Kobach’s office promised would be working ahead of the 2018 elections, has been sidelined while the U.S. Department of Homeland Security conducts a security assessment following the unintended release of hundreds of voters’ private information.

Each year, the Crosscheck program compares voter registration lists from more than two dozen states, searching for duplicate names. The stated goal is to prevent people from voting in more than one state and eliminate voter fraud — although being registered to vote in two states is not illegal. Crosscheck then sends a list of duplicate names to each participating state, the first step in a long process of voter list maintenance.

Crosscheck, at one time, held data on half the registered voters in the country, and critics have warned that the program isn’t keeping the voter data safe. Crosscheck recently came under fire for a data security breach that made public the names, dates of birth and partial Social Security numbers of 945 Kansas voters. Others say Crosscheck is being used as a tool for voter suppression.

On Tuesday, the system came under further criticism when the ACLU of Kansas filed a federal class-action lawsuit charging that Kobach’s “reckless maintenance” of Crosscheck violated voters’ constitutional right to privacy. The suit seeks the removal of Kansas from Crosscheck until proper cyber-security safeguards are put in place.

Micah Kubic, executive director of the ACLU of Kansas, said Crosscheck was created in 2005 to help election officials in several states keep voter lists up-to-date. But under Kobach, Crosscheck has become a “farce of a data-matching program,” he said.

“Under Secretary Kobach’s watch, the program has become technologically obsolete, shoddily implemented and an utterly ineffectual spreadsheet containing sensitive personal information,” he said.

The system has been criticized for failing to meet industry security standards, like encrypting data, and for sending sensitive information, including passwords for election officials, via email.

Kobach, the former vice chair of President Trump’s controversial voter fraud commission, said Kansas is working on Crosscheck’s problems and is cooperating with the Department of Homeland Security.

As I recall, most of these voting machines are run by some Republicon outfit in Nebraska, that has ties to Kobach -- the GOP's sneaky vote suppression expert.



Read more: aolcfboutcasts.proboards.com/thread/38775/hurricane-michael-decide-floridas-elections#ixzz5VcDulr3K

If that is your opinion on Kobach state it as such. If you have a link to a conviction or his jail term, post it.

So, you're down to, "As I recall, most of these voting machines are run by some Republicon outfit in Nebraska that has ties to Kobach".
That ain't much of an argument, so unless you can do better, we're going to have to conclude that you're blowing partisan smoke.
But hey, thanks for playing!