Izzo on Chambers Incident

[beuycek]

www.businessinsider.com/tom-izzo-comments-penn-state-pat-chambers-suspension-soft-2019-1?IR=T&fbclid=IwAR0l2MCo0tkjHB4PwsEGjtau4sZlj5QC7x1XuV06In2RB3y326jcpn9iyow

We had a pretty "spirited" debate on the football board regarding the Maryland situation and here we are again with another major college coach crossing the line. I don't know anything about Chambers or his history but I am a fan of Izzo and still think he is wrong on this one. Society isn't softer now, I would argue they are more aware... and that's a good thing.

I am ready for the inevitable shots people are going to fire my way on this one so have at it...

[oujour76]

Jan 10, 2019 9:42:09 GMT -5 beuycek said:

www.businessinsider.com/tom-izzo-comments-penn-state-pat-chambers-suspension-soft-2019-1?IR=T&fbclid=IwAR0l2MCo0tkjHB4PwsEGjtau4sZlj5QC7x1XuV06In2RB3y326jcpn9iyow

We had a pretty "spirited" debate on the football board regarding the Maryland situation and here we are again with another major college coach crossing the line. I don't know anything about Chambers or his history but I am a fan of Izzo and still think he is wrong on this one. Society isn't softer now, I would argue they are more aware... and that's a good thing.

I am ready for the inevitable shots people are going to fire my way on this one so have at it...

Izzo is right that society is softer. That said, coaches don’t get to shove players around. That crosses a line for me. Admittedly, it’s a thin line.

[mscott59]

Jan 10, 2019 9:42:09 GMT -5 beuycek said:

www.businessinsider.com/tom-izzo-comments-penn-state-pat-chambers-suspension-soft-2019-1?IR=T&fbclid=IwAR0l2MCo0tkjHB4PwsEGjtau4sZlj5QC7x1XuV06In2RB3y326jcpn9iyow

We had a pretty "spirited" debate on the football board regarding the Maryland situation and here we are again with another major college coach crossing the line. I don't know anything about Chambers or his history but I am a fan of Izzo and still think he is wrong on this one. Society isn't softer now, I would argue they are more aware... and that's a good thing.

I am ready for the inevitable shots people are going to fire my way on this one so have at it...

obviously izzo is old school. i watched him a lot on the sidelines at the msu-tosu game last weekend, and the difference between he and holtman in how they interacted w/players, officials, was noticeable. so his reaction to the suspension isn't surprising. what's disappointing to me is the embellishing and hyperbole he goes into, which is way overboard. even though the physical contact between chambers and his player isn't violent, it certainly crosses a line between teacher and student (isn't that what coaching still is?). you can be 100% authoritative without resorting to that kind of reaction. was suspending the coach for a game the right move? imho i think a warning would have been retribution enough here, again since it was a push, even though it was clearly done in anger. but i agree with you; using equal dose of intellect and emotion to motivate and educate, as opposed to physical force, is a sign of evolution in the right direction, not the wrong one.

[beuycek]

Jan 10, 2019 11:05:54 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Izzo is right that society is softer.

I should clarify... I don't think this incident illustrates that society is soft, as Izzo suggests. Society, as a whole, is much softer than it used to be but this would have been wrong 10 years ago, 20 years ago or 50 years ago. That society is more aware now that it is wrong is definitely a good thing.

[oujour76]

Jan 10, 2019 12:00:07 GMT -5 beuycek said:

Jan 10, 2019 11:05:54 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Izzo is right that society is softer.

I should clarify... I don't think this incident illustrates that society is soft, as Izzo suggests. Society, as a whole, is much softer than it used to be but this would have been wrong 10 years ago, 20 years ago or 50 years ago. That society is more aware now that it is wrong is definitely a good thing.

Understood, and FWIW I knew what you were saying. Coaches don’t have license to push players around. I had some old school guys, but none ever pulled that kind of shit. That said, there is fine line.

[mscott59]

Jan 10, 2019 12:25:00 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Jan 10, 2019 12:00:07 GMT -5 beuycek said:

I should clarify... I don't think this incident illustrates that society is soft, as Izzo suggests. Society, as a whole, is much softer than it used to be but this would have been wrong 10 years ago, 20 years ago or 50 years ago. That society is more aware now that it is wrong is definitely a good thing.

Understood, and FWIW I knew what you were saying. Coaches don’t have license to push players around. I had some old school guys, but none ever pulled that kind of shit. That said, there is fine line.

i did play (well, mostly ride the bench-lol) for one of those old school-types in hs. red ash. coached hoops 37 years at canton south thru '78, incredibly successful (ohio hof; was the winningest coach in state history when he retired at 634-200) and i was on the team near the end (he retired the year after i graduated. at that point he didn't always remember everybody's name, but he had no problem physically putting you in the right place either on defense or an offensive set play, in a way that you remembered it. and seeing he was a not-skinny 6'3 or 6'4, you remembered it. you didn't try to do things right so he liked you... you wanted to avoid him exploding.

[oujour76]

Jan 10, 2019 13:47:48 GMT -5 mscott59 said:

Jan 10, 2019 12:25:00 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Understood, and FWIW I knew what you were saying. Coaches don’t have license to push players around. I had some old school guys, but none ever pulled that kind of shit. That said, there is fine line.

i did play (well, mostly ride the bench-lol) for one of those old school-types in hs. red ash. coached hoops 37 years at canton south thru '78, incredibly successful (ohio hof; was the winningest coach in state history when he retired at 634-200) and i was on the team near the end (he retired the year after i graduated. at that point he didn't always remember everybody's name, but he had no problem physically putting you in the right place either on defense or an offensive set play, in a way that you remembered it. and seeing he was a not-skinny 6'3 or 6'4, you remembered it. you didn't try to do things right so he liked you... you wanted to avoid him exploding.

I did have a coach who once or twice grabbed me by the arm and physically" walked me over to where I was supposed to be on the floor. But, he wasn't dragging or pushing or any of that other bullshit, that's the line I was talking about.

[daleko]

Jan 10, 2019 12:00:07 GMT -5 beuycek said:

Jan 10, 2019 11:05:54 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Izzo is right that society is softer.

I should clarify... I don't think this incident illustrates that society is soft, as Izzo suggests. Society, as a whole, is much softer than it used to be but this would have been wrong 10 years ago, 20 years ago or 50 years ago. That society is more aware now that it is wrong is definitely a good thing.

There are some today that will adamantly tell you verbal abuse is as bad or worse than physical. Perhaps so but w the understanding that today is a different world today, not too long ago verbal corrective coaching was a bit courser. It IS different today. And they were aware of it then but parents chose to look the other way. It's changed. Of that there is no doubt. For every John Wooden there were a dozen Bobby Knights.

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bs suspension, izzo is right.

[oujour76]

Jan 11, 2019 9:28:48 GMT -5 ETGator1 said:

bs suspension, izzo is right.

Never addressed this in earlier post, but I also don't agree with the suspension.