Climate Studies

[Walter]

At Cal Tech, a high-power computer simulation suggests that when CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere pass a certain threshold, some types of clouds could stop forming over tropical oceans. In turn, this would further accelerate global warming, contributing to a vicious circle that would become nearly impossible to break.

"...at very high CO2 concentrations, stratocumulus clouds can break apart. Researchers at the California Institute of Technology ran computer simulations on a powerful supercomputer for two years, showing that cloud formation collapsed when CO2 concentration reached about 1,200 parts per million (ppm) due to excessive incoming radiation. As a result, there are little to any clouds left to reflect radiation, contributing to as much as 8°C or 10°C to warming in the subtropics."

As the piece points out, if we ever get to 1200 ppm of C02, "...we're already screwed", so this is more a research thing than a real-life simulation.

www.zmescience.com/science/clouds-break-co2-oceans-982355/?utm_source=pushnot

[AlaCowboy]

What is the CO2 concentration at this time in, say, 450 data points around the world, at equal parts metropolitan, small town or village, and forest or agriculture land? Compare the same data points with 20, 50, and 100 years ago.
Then, was the input data "managed" to achieve the desired results, or was the input purely random?
Remember, feeding rats the equivalence of 400 diet colas a day for 20 years causes cancer.

[Walter]

Feb 26, 2019 15:11:41 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

What is the CO2 concentration at this time in, say, 450 data points around the world, at equal parts metropolitan, small town or village, and forest or agriculture land? Compare the same data points with 20, 50, and 100 years ago.
Then, was the input data "managed" to achieve the desired results, or was the input purely random?
Remember, feeding rats the equivalence of 400 diet colas a day for 20 years causes cancer.

Worldwide, IIRC, CO2 just passed 400ppm, so this is not anything you and I need to worry about.

[daleko]

Feb 26, 2019 11:54:18 GMT -5 Walter said:

At Cal Tech, a high-power computer simulation suggests that when CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere pass a certain threshold, some types of clouds could stop forming over tropical oceans. In turn, this would further accelerate global warming, contributing to a vicious circle that would become nearly impossible to break.

"...at very high CO2 concentrations, stratocumulus clouds can break apart. Researchers at the California Institute of Technology ran computer simulations on a powerful supercomputer for two years, showing that cloud formation collapsed when CO2 concentration reached about 1,200 parts per million (ppm) due to excessive incoming radiation. As a result, there are little to any clouds left to reflect radiation, contributing to as much as 8°C or 10°C to warming in the subtropics."

As the piece points out, if we ever get to 1200 ppm of C02, "...we're already screwed", so this is more a research thing than a real-life simulation.

www.zmescience.com/science/clouds-break-co2-oceans-982355/?utm_source=pushnot

Well the last time you had even higher CO2 on earth, others have guessed the temp was 11 deg higher. So there is some consistency in the data. Maybe even borrowed.

[AlaCowboy]

Feb 26, 2019 17:21:01 GMT -5 Walter said:

Feb 26, 2019 15:11:41 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

What is the CO2 concentration at this time in, say, 450 data points around the world, at equal parts metropolitan, small town or village, and forest or agriculture land? Compare the same data points with 20, 50, and 100 years ago.
Then, was the input data "managed" to achieve the desired results, or was the input purely random?
Remember, feeding rats the equivalence of 400 diet colas a day for 20 years causes cancer.

Worldwide, IIRC, CO2 just passed 400ppm, so this is not anything you and I need to worry about.

The millions of federal funds Cal Tech wasted might have helped feed a million people around the country.

[Walter]

Feb 26, 2019 22:29:43 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Feb 26, 2019 17:21:01 GMT -5 Walter said:

Worldwide, IIRC, CO2 just passed 400ppm, so this is not anything you and I need to worry about.

The millions of federal funds Cal Tech wasted might have helped feed a million people around the country.

One could say the same about a wall..except multiply it times a thousand

[AlaCowboy]

Feb 26, 2019 23:27:21 GMT -5 Walter said:

Feb 26, 2019 22:29:43 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

The millions of federal funds Cal Tech wasted might have helped feed a million people around the country.

One could say the same about a wall..except multiply it times a thousand

Ahhh. Maybe I should have said "people LEGALLY in the country."

[Walter]

Feb 27, 2019 8:06:48 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Feb 26, 2019 23:27:21 GMT -5 Walter said:

One could say the same about a wall..except multiply it times a thousand

Ahhh. Maybe I should have said "people LEGALLY in the country."

Oh. So building the wall only helps those here illegally?

[AlaCowboy]

Feb 27, 2019 9:15:35 GMT -5 Walter said:

Feb 27, 2019 8:06:48 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Ahhh. Maybe I should have said "people LEGALLY in the country."

Oh. So building the wall only helps those here illegally?

You really are as stupid as you act, aren't you? Building the wall will help keep out the illegals, which will help those here legally. But you'll probably never understand that.

[bamorin]

Feb 26, 2019 18:07:23 GMT -5 daleko said:

Feb 26, 2019 11:54:18 GMT -5 Walter said:

At Cal Tech, a high-power computer simulation suggests that when CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere pass a certain threshold, some types of clouds could stop forming over tropical oceans. In turn, this would further accelerate global warming, contributing to a vicious circle that would become nearly impossible to break.

"...at very high CO2 concentrations, stratocumulus clouds can break apart. Researchers at the California Institute of Technology ran computer simulations on a powerful supercomputer for two years, showing that cloud formation collapsed when CO2 concentration reached about 1,200 parts per million (ppm) due to excessive incoming radiation. As a result, there are little to any clouds left to reflect radiation, contributing to as much as 8°C or 10°C to warming in the subtropics."

As the piece points out, if we ever get to 1200 ppm of C02, "...we're already screwed", so this is more a research thing than a real-life simulation.

www.zmescience.com/science/clouds-break-co2-oceans-982355/?utm_source=pushnot

Well the last time you had even higher CO2 on earth, others have guessed the temp was 11 deg higher. So there is some consistency in the data. Maybe even borrowed.

the data has always shown when the earth is warmer, there's more CO2. IE warming leads CO2 levels. we have zero data points ever in showing CO2 leading to warming.