Look, Ma, No 757 Hit the Pentagon on 9/11 !!

[daleko]

Mar 23, 2019 9:44:04 GMT -5 @drlumbago said:

Mar 23, 2019 0:07:39 GMT -5 daleko said:

And no proof that every post seen here is being typed by using the fingers of that person. None.

A retired NSA analyst has suggested that there are two, for sure, maybe three different personalities were posting under "your" former Dr whatever's SN. Addresses can be faked so that means nothing. The Q is, rather, why? Being a patient or a cpl of patients, makes sense.

Walter can easily debunk your claim, Cheese Burgher.

How many times will you sling shit on the wall here before Walter finally takes a few seconds to points out that it isn't shinola?

He watches you type. That's the only way to know for sure. Even then it doesn't mean you have typed all of the 40,000 posts.

[DrSchadenfreude]

Mar 17, 2019 15:06:32 GMT -5 Deleted said:

Eyewitnesses, Pentagon Transcripts, Official Records Refute 'The 9/11 Commission Report'

Available evidence does not support the claim that AA Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on September 11, 2001

www.twf.org/News/Y2010/0911-Pentagon.html

September 11, 2017

At the September 12, 2001, Dept. of Defense News Briefing, "American Airlines", "Flight 77", "Boeing 757", were not even mentioned.

The security camera video of "Flight 77" released by the Pentagon has one frame showing something -- labeled "Approaching Aircraft" -- moving parallel to the ground about 100 yards in front of the Pentagon. frame from security camera

This is the U.S. government's evidence to support its claim that American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.

Pentagon impact hole closeup

However, the government's own records -- Pentagon transcripts, official reports, flight data recorder, and the laws of science belie "The 9/11 Commission Report".

September 11, 2001: CNN News Reports

Just minutes after the alleged attack, standing in front of the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, Jamie McIntyre, CNN's senior Pentagon correspondent since November 1992, reported to Judy Woodruff: "From my close up inspection there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. . . . . The only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you could pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections, fuselage -- nothing like that anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon."


Jamie McIntyre, CNN Sr Pentagon Correspondent, September 11, 2001

McIntyre continued, "If you look at the pictures of the Pentagon you see that all of the floors have collapsed, that didn't happen immediately. It wasn't till almost 45 minutes later that the structure was weakened enough that all of the floors collapsed."

Later that day, McIntryre said, "I could see parts of the airplane that crashed into the building, very small pieces of the plane on the heliport outside the building. The biggest piece I saw was about three feet long, it was silver and had been painted green and red, but I could not see any identifying markings on the plane." Pentagon impact hole closeup
A few years later McIntyre claimed that he had been taken out of context. Jamie McIntyre's original account of September 11, 2001 is confirmed by several eyewitnesses.

Other Eyewitnesses


Bob Pugh, 9/11 Pentagon Eyewitness, YouTube

Bob Pugh, freelance photographer, who filmed the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, said in his videotaped account, "I'm looking for wreckage, . . . I can't see anything that I recognize. I can't see the tail, I can't see the wheel, I can't see the engine. There's no chairs, there's no luggage there's no logo. . . . The largest piece I saw was may be 2 by 3 feet . . . The foam trucks were beginning to show up . . . [the hole] was 16 feet diameter, 20 feet tops."

www.twf.org/News/Y2010/0911-Medairos.m4v

Lt. Robert Medairos, Arlington County Police

Lt. Robert Medairos, Arlington County Police -- watch commander for the day, who stated (ABC 7, Washington, D.C. September 13, 2001, 3:25 PM), "They said it was a plane, and I didn't see any pieces of any plane, and I couldn't believe a plane hit the building."

Lt Col Karen Kwiatowski, who from her fifth-floor, B-ring office at the Pentagon, witnessed "an unforgettable fireball, 20 to 30 feet in diameter" confirms McIntyre's account.

Writing in "9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out," Kwiatowski noted, "a strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the secretary of defense, who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a 'missile'." (DoD News Transcript, October 12, 2001)

Pentagon employee April Gallop, whose "desk was roughly 40 feet from the point where the plane allegedly hit the outside wall" stated in a sworn complaint (before the U.S. District Court Southern District of New York): "As she sat down to work there was an explosion, then another; walls collapsed and the ceiling fell in. Hit in the head, she was able to grab the baby and make her way towards the daylight showing through a blasted opening in the outside wall. There was no airplane wreckage and no burning airplane fuel anywhere; only rubble and dust."

The case was dismissed without trial. The Federal Judge ruled that: "Even assuming the factual allegations of the complaint are true, Gallop's claims are not plausible."

Other Accounts

Barbara Honegger, military affairs journalist, reported in her personal capacity that a pilot sent by Gen Larry Arnold (NORAD) "reported back that there was no evidence that a plane had hit the building." She added, "Multiple standard-issue, battery-operated wall clocks . . . stopped between 9:31 and 9:32-1/2 on September 11" -- a few minutes before Flight 77 that is alleged to have struck the Pentagon at 9:37:46.

The Pentagon appears to have "resolved" the time discrepancy. At the Pentagon Memorial, they just did away with the time and replaced it with blank tiles.

Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) -- former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, and head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence -- stated in a video interview, "I don't know exactly what hit it, but I do know, from the photographs that I have analyzed and looked at very, very carefully, it was not an airplane."

Major Douglas Rokke, U.S. Army (ret) adds: "No aircraft hit the Pentagon. Totally impossible! You couldn't make the turns with a 757. You couldn't fly it in over the highway. You couldn't fly it over the light poles. You couldn't even get it that close to the ground because of turbulence."

Other eyewitnesses reported seeing a large plane hit the Pentagon. Some reported seeing a commuter plane. These have not been vetted.

Phone Calls From Flight 77

In a front page article on September 12, 2001 -- On Flight 77: 'Our Plane Is Being Hijacked' -- Marc Fisher and Don Phillips of the Washington Post reported that Barbara K. Olson called her husband twice in the final minutes before the crash of Flight 77. The FBI contradicts this account.

According to the Washington Post, Olson's last words to her husband were, "What do I tell the pilot to do?"

"She called from the plane while it was being hijacked," said Theodore Olson -- 42nd Solicitor General of the United States. "I wish it wasn't so, but it is."

"The two conversations each lasted about a minute, said Tim O'Brien, a CNN reporter and friend of the Olsons." FBI exhibit Olson phone calls

However, FBI exhibit (P200054 above) from the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui contradicts the Solicitor General's account. It shows that Barbara Olson made only one phone call -- it did not connect, and it lasted for 0 seconds.

September 12, 2001: Pentagon News Briefing

At the September 12, 2001, Dept. of Defense (DoD) News Briefing by Assistant Secretary of Defense, Victoria Clarke, Ed Plaugher (fire chief of Arlington County), and others, "American Airlines", "Flight 77", "Boeing 757" were not even mentioned.

How significant is this?

With the world's news media assembled at the Pentagon on the day after the alleged attack on the Pentagon by Arab hijackers flying American Airlines Flight 77 -- a Boeing 757 -- "American Airlines", "Flight 77", "Boeing 757" were not considered important enough to mention at the Pentagon News Briefing the day after the alleged attack!

Fire chief Ed Plaugher was asked by a reporter, "Is there anything left of the aircraft at all?" Plaugher responded, "there are some small pieces of aircraft ... there's no fuselage sections and that sort of thing."

When asked, "Chief, there are small pieces of the plane virtually all over, out over the highway, tiny pieces. Would you say the plane exploded, virtually exploded on impact due to the fuel", Plaugher reponded "You know, I'd rather not comment on that."

September 15, 2001: Pentagon News Briefing

At the September 15, 2001, Dept. of Defense (DoD) News Briefing by Mr. Lee Evey, Pentagon Renovation Manager, Rear Adm. Craig R. Quigley, deputy assistant secretary of Defense for Public Affairs, and others, it was apparent that there were lingering doubts about what had struck the Pentagon on September 11.

When Mr. Evey said, "the nose of the aircraft broke through this innermost wall of C Ring", a reporter asked, "One thing that's confusing -- if it came in the way you described, at an angle, why then are not the wings outside? I mean, the wings would have shorn off. The tail would have shorn off. And yet there's apparently no evidence of the aircraft outside the E Ring." Evey replied, "Actually, there's considerable evidence of the aircraft outside the E Ring. It's just not very visible."

Apparently, no one asked how "the nose of the aircraft" (a relatively weak component of the aircraft) remained sufficiently intact to penetrate the C Ring -- the E Ring is the outermost ring.

Re-posting this for neophytes Mutt & Jeff.