This guy is a true leader.

[Walter]

Props to this guy.
www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/deadly-chabad-poway-shooting-san-diego-lori-gilbert-kaye-rabbi-yisroel-goldstein-describes-attack/

"How does a 19 year old have the audacity the sickness, the hatred to publicize such anti-Semitism in his manifesto?" the rabbi said Sunday night. "How does he come here to our house of worship and do what he did? Perhaps we need to go back a little earlier and think about what are we teaching our children? What are we educating our children? We need to perhaps think about reintroducing in our public school system a moment of silence where children can start the day pausing and thinking, 'Why am I created? Why am I here? And what am I going to do?'

[AlaCowboy]

Apr 28, 2019 21:26:51 GMT -5 Walter said:

Props to this guy.
www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/deadly-chabad-poway-shooting-san-diego-lori-gilbert-kaye-rabbi-yisroel-goldstein-describes-attack/

"How does a 19 year old have the audacity the sickness, the hatred to publicize such anti-Semitism in his manifesto?" the rabbi said Sunday night. "How does he come here to our house of worship and do what he did? Perhaps we need to go back a little earlier and think about what are we teaching our children? What are we educating our children? We need to perhaps think about reintroducing in our public school system a moment of silence where children can start the day pausing and thinking, 'Why am I created? Why am I here? And what am I going to do?'

Parents must instill goodness and virtue -and manners- into their children at an early age, and reinforce it daily, for this to be ended. It was a natural occurrence for me to show respect for others, and my children and grandchildren have been raised the same way.
Schools can assist in promoting kindness and goodness, but can not be a substitute for parental guidance. What children learn from their parents is what they become.

[roxalot]

Apr 28, 2019 21:26:51 GMT -5 Walter said:

Props to this guy.
www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/deadly-chabad-poway-shooting-san-diego-lori-gilbert-kaye-rabbi-yisroel-goldstein-describes-attack/

"How does a 19 year old have the audacity the sickness, the hatred to publicize such anti-Semitism in his manifesto?" the rabbi said Sunday night. "How does he come here to our house of worship and do what he did? Perhaps we need to go back a little earlier and think about what are we teaching our children? What are we educating our children? We need to perhaps think about reintroducing in our public school system a moment of silence where children can start the day pausing and thinking, 'Why am I created? Why am I here? And what am I going to do?'

One word answers the Rabbi's two questions. satan.

[mscott59]

Apr 29, 2019 10:03:52 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Apr 28, 2019 21:26:51 GMT -5 Walter said:

Props to this guy.
www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/deadly-chabad-poway-shooting-san-diego-lori-gilbert-kaye-rabbi-yisroel-goldstein-describes-attack/

"How does a 19 year old have the audacity the sickness, the hatred to publicize such anti-Semitism in his manifesto?" the rabbi said Sunday night. "How does he come here to our house of worship and do what he did? Perhaps we need to go back a little earlier and think about what are we teaching our children? What are we educating our children? We need to perhaps think about reintroducing in our public school system a moment of silence where children can start the day pausing and thinking, 'Why am I created? Why am I here? And what am I going to do?'

Parents must instill goodness and virtue -and manners- into their children at an early age, and reinforce it daily, for this to be ended. It was a natural occurrence for me to show respect for others, and my children and grandchildren have been raised the same way.
Schools can assist in promoting kindness and goodness, but can not be a substitute for parental guidance. What children learn from their parents is what they become.

agreed that the schools can re-inforce, but not replace, what's instilled and groomed in kids as they grow up in the home. doesn't mean they won't make mistakes, but it more often than not means they know they're making them, and more likely to not repeat/overcome them.

[canefan]

Apr 29, 2019 10:03:52 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Apr 28, 2019 21:26:51 GMT -5 Walter said:

Props to this guy.
www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/deadly-chabad-poway-shooting-san-diego-lori-gilbert-kaye-rabbi-yisroel-goldstein-describes-attack/

"How does a 19 year old have the audacity the sickness, the hatred to publicize such anti-Semitism in his manifesto?" the rabbi said Sunday night. "How does he come here to our house of worship and do what he did? Perhaps we need to go back a little earlier and think about what are we teaching our children? What are we educating our children? We need to perhaps think about reintroducing in our public school system a moment of silence where children can start the day pausing and thinking, 'Why am I created? Why am I here? And what am I going to do?'

Parents must instill goodness and virtue -and manners- into their children at an early age, and reinforce it daily, for this to be ended. It was a natural occurrence for me to show respect for others, and my children and grandchildren have been raised the same way.
Schools can assist in promoting kindness and goodness, but can not be a substitute for parental guidance. What children learn from their parents is what they become.

Seems to be a lost art. I was raised on the old strong southern momma standard, "Yes ma'am, No, ma'am, thank you ma'am, please." We raised our boys the same way. My 33 year old son was working the other day at Orange Regional Medical Center (MRI Technology) and tells me someone said to him "you must not be from Florida. You are a southern boy from up in Georgia aren't you?" He assured her he was born & raised in Polk county, Florida and she says because he is so polite that she said what she said. She was under the impression most southern Floridians had moved out of state and if she ran into someone who behaved like a southerner they had to be from Georgia, Bama or one of the other deep south states. I've just been amazed being out in public or reading social media how little respect the younger generation shows to anyone anymore.

[Walter]

Jul 27, 2019 20:55:46 GMT -5 canefan said:

Apr 29, 2019 10:03:52 GMT -5 AlaCowboy said:

Parents must instill goodness and virtue -and manners- into their children at an early age, and reinforce it daily, for this to be ended. It was a natural occurrence for me to show respect for others, and my children and grandchildren have been raised the same way.
Schools can assist in promoting kindness and goodness, but can not be a substitute for parental guidance. What children learn from their parents is what they become.

Seems to be a lost art. I was raised on the old strong southern momma standard, "Yes ma'am, No, ma'am, thank you ma'am, please." We raised our boys the same way. My 33 year old son was working the other day at Orange Regional Medical Center (MRI Technology) and tells me someone said to him "you must not be from Florida. You are a southern boy from up in Georgia aren't you?" He assured her he was born & raised in Polk county, Florida and she says because he is so polite that she said what she said. She was under the impression most southern Floridians had moved out of state and if she ran into someone who behaved like a southerner they had to be from Georgia, Bama or one of the other deep south states. I've just been amazed being out in public or reading social media how little respect the younger generation shows to anyone anymore.

Kids emulate what they see.
What do they see?
Donald Trump.
He did not start the decline, but he certainly embodies it.
I don't know how you could raise a kid today in this social environment and have an expectation that he'd come out the other end being respectful.

[Deleted]

Jul 28, 2019 6:36:19 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jul 27, 2019 20:55:46 GMT -5 canefan said:

Seems to be a lost art. I was raised on the old strong southern momma standard, "Yes ma'am, No, ma'am, thank you ma'am, please." We raised our boys the same way. My 33 year old son was working the other day at Orange Regional Medical Center (MRI Technology) and tells me someone said to him "you must not be from Florida. You are a southern boy from up in Georgia aren't you?" He assured her he was born & raised in Polk county, Florida and she says because he is so polite that she said what she said. She was under the impression most southern Floridians had moved out of state and if she ran into someone who behaved like a southerner they had to be from Georgia, Bama or one of the other deep south states. I've just been amazed being out in public or reading social media how little respect the younger generation shows to anyone anymore.

Kids emulate what they see.
What do they see?
Donald Trump.
He did not start the decline, but he certainly embodies it.
I don't know how you could raise a kid today in this social environment and have an expectation that he'd come out the other end being respectful.

You're hilarious Walt. Any other idiotic ideas you want to put on Trump?

[canefan]

Jul 28, 2019 6:36:19 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jul 27, 2019 20:55:46 GMT -5 canefan said:

Seems to be a lost art. I was raised on the old strong southern momma standard, "Yes ma'am, No, ma'am, thank you ma'am, please." We raised our boys the same way. My 33 year old son was working the other day at Orange Regional Medical Center (MRI Technology) and tells me someone said to him "you must not be from Florida. You are a southern boy from up in Georgia aren't you?" He assured her he was born & raised in Polk county, Florida and she says because he is so polite that she said what she said. She was under the impression most southern Floridians had moved out of state and if she ran into someone who behaved like a southerner they had to be from Georgia, Bama or one of the other deep south states. I've just been amazed being out in public or reading social media how little respect the younger generation shows to anyone anymore.

Kids emulate what they see.
What do they see?
Donald Trump.
He did not start the decline, but he certainly embodies it.
I don't know how you could raise a kid today in this social environment and have an expectation that he'd come out the other end being respectful.

You do it by being involved in your kids lives, teaching them and setting proper examples.

[Walter]

Jul 28, 2019 10:01:17 GMT -5 canefan said:

Jul 28, 2019 6:36:19 GMT -5 Walter said:

Kids emulate what they see.
What do they see?
Donald Trump.
He did not start the decline, but he certainly embodies it.
I don't know how you could raise a kid today in this social environment and have an expectation that he'd come out the other end being respectful.

You do it by being involved in your kids lives, teaching them and setting proper examples.

Totally agree, and when you see your kid disrespect someone by saying, "Why don't you go back to the shithole country you came from?" and then when admonished, says, "but Daddy, that's what Trump says.", what is your response?

And, BTW, I am picking on Trump because he relishes and embodies disrespect, but I mean it about any public figure.

[canefan]

Jul 28, 2019 10:43:34 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jul 28, 2019 10:01:17 GMT -5 canefan said:

You do it by being involved in your kids lives, teaching them and setting proper examples.

Totally agree, and when you see your kid disrespect someone by saying, "Why don't you go back to the shithole country you came from?" and then when admonished, says, "but Daddy, that's what Trump says.", what is your response?

And, BTW, I am picking on Trump because he relishes and embodies disrespect, but I mean it about any public figure.

I tell them Trump is not your daddy, I am. Trump is a yankee. We expect that kind of behavior from them. Just don't encourage it and behave as you have been taught.

[Walter]

Jul 28, 2019 11:12:47 GMT -5 canefan said:

Jul 28, 2019 10:43:34 GMT -5 Walter said:

Totally agree, and when you see your kid disrespect someone by saying, "Why don't you go back to the shithole country you came from?" and then when admonished, says, "but Daddy, that's what Trump says.", what is your response?

And, BTW, I am picking on Trump because he relishes and embodies disrespect, but I mean it about any public figure.

I tell them Trump is not your daddy, I am. Trump is a yankee. We expect that kind of behavior from them. Just don't encourage it and behave as you have been taught.

So, somewhere in there, I presume, would likely be an admonishment that Trump is being disrespectful, right?

So, here is the disconnect.

Junior responds, "..but Daddy, if he is as you say, why did you vote for him?"

Your answer, if respect has value, is "I didn't, and that is one of the reasons."
However, the notion of respect having value in society erodes some if the answer is, "Well, jr. it's complicated." followed by explanations about why respect did not quite rise to the top of concerns.

And THAT, is how "...kids ain't got no respect." rears its head.
It was prioritized away by generation after generation of parents making that call.

[Walter]

BTW, in this vein, I specifically recall my mother saying she was not going to vote for candidate X because he had, "a potty-mouth".
She voted for as much for the quality of the person as the policy.

[canefan]

Jul 28, 2019 11:42:25 GMT -5 Walter said:

BTW, in this vein, I specifically recall my mother saying she was not going to vote for candidate X because he had, "a potty-mouth".
She voted for as much for the quality of the person as the policy.

There are people like that. As I noted before, probably the best man to hold the office in my life time was Carter, and he was a God awful president. Time to put your big boy pants on and vote for whoever can best get the job done.

[Walter]

Jul 28, 2019 15:28:27 GMT -5 canefan said:

Jul 28, 2019 11:42:25 GMT -5 Walter said:

BTW, in this vein, I specifically recall my mother saying she was not going to vote for candidate X because he had, "a potty-mouth".
She voted for as much for the quality of the person as the policy.

There are people like that. As I noted before, probably the best man to hold the office in my life time was Carter, and he was a God awful president. Time to put your big boy pants on and vote for whoever can best get the job done.

That may well be the more pragmatic approach. But then you can't simultaneously lament, or even be surprised, that there is a generational lack of respect growing in society.
That's all I'm sayin'.
Every time you choose that pragmatism over respect, you put another nail in that coffin.
If I was a kid, and you told me I needed to "show more respect to your elders" as you entered a Trump rally to hear him spend 2 hours being disrespectful to anyone who says a critical word to or about him, don't be surprised if I start laughing.

And again. I pick on Trump because he is an easy target, the queen mother of disrespect. But he didn't start it. He's just the Mike Trout of it today; a five-tool player in the game.

[canefan]

Jul 28, 2019 16:06:42 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jul 28, 2019 15:28:27 GMT -5 canefan said:

There are people like that. As I noted before, probably the best man to hold the office in my life time was Carter, and he was a God awful president. Time to put your big boy pants on and vote for whoever can best get the job done.

That may well be the more pragmatic approach. But then you can't simultaneously lament, or even be surprised, that there is a generational lack of respect growing in society.
That's all I'm sayin'.
Every time you choose that pragmatism over respect, you put another nail in that coffin.
If I was a kid, and you told me I needed to "show more respect to your elders" as you entered a Trump rally to hear him spend 2 hours being disrespectful to anyone who says a critical word to or about him, don't be surprised if I start laughing.

And again. I pick on Trump because he is an easy target, the queen mother of disrespect. But he didn't start it. He's just the Mike Trout of it today; a five-tool player in the game.

Oh, I strongly disagree. The responsibility for raising children to act like rational, reasonable and responsible adults lies with the parents. When you lament the lack of respect you are as much lamenting the failure of the parents to instill these values as much as you are the lack of values themselves. My kids and I have had these discussions and we had them many, many years before Trump became president. I recall telling my now 36 year old son that I was not accustomed to hearing girls/women drop F-bombs growing up and most of that language was in our locker rooms, not where others, particularly adults, could possibly hear you. His response, “welcome to my world.”

As for Trump rallies, I’ve never been to one. I’ve watched parts on the news coverage at times and I don’t see the same person you do. Does he go off on his “enemies” at times? Sure he does. But spend two hours “being disrespectful to anyone who says a critical word,” not what I’ve seen. One thing I think many do like about Trump. He doesn’t turn the other cheek. Schumer comes out with an attack, which I notice the mainstream media pretty much excuses, and Trump comes right back at him. I wish he could let it go, but maybe he doesn’t care for the obvious double standard. Schumer, Pelosi, Nadler or any of the other Democrats can say anything they want and the left and the media give them a free pass. Trump, not so much.