Wikipedia

[Walter]

Out of curiosity, I looked up the Dodgers/Angels Freeway series record this morning after the Dodgers lost again to the Halos.
I was surprised to see that the record was up to date as of last night's game, meaning that particular Wiki site had been updated in the past 12 hours.

I thought...geez, imagine how many Wiki sites there are. Now imagine they are all, more or less, up to date.
Mind-boggling to contemplate how that happens, ain't it?

[daleko]

Jul 25, 2019 10:10:24 GMT -5 Walter said:

Out of curiosity, I looked up the Dodgers/Angels Freeway series record this morning after the Dodgers lost again to the Halos.
I was surprised to see that the record was up to date as of last night's game, meaning that particular Wiki site had been updated in the past 12 hours.

I thought...geez, imagine how many Wiki sites there are. Now imagine they are all, more or less, up to date.
Mind-boggling to contemplate how that happens, ain't it?

I don't remember exactly who it was but I got a flash update on my IPhone that actor so and so died. Checked Wiki 5 min later for gen info and it was updated. The power of the group for both good and bad. Sometimes actors died and they didn't yet "know it".

[Deleted]

Wikipedia is a great public utility for "pop" cultural history.

But, when it comes to sensitive national and international intel-related subjects, it is heavily edited and closely monitored for public relations/propaganda purposes.

This has been clearly established by research on editing by government-linked IP addresses.

(I discovered this first-hand years ago on Wiki articles I contributed to about Putin's annexation of the ROCOR in Europe and the U.S.)

[Walter]

Jul 25, 2019 11:04:01 GMT -5 daleko said:

Jul 25, 2019 10:10:24 GMT -5 Walter said:

Out of curiosity, I looked up the Dodgers/Angels Freeway series record this morning after the Dodgers lost again to the Halos.
I was surprised to see that the record was up to date as of last night's game, meaning that particular Wiki site had been updated in the past 12 hours.

I thought...geez, imagine how many Wiki sites there are. Now imagine they are all, more or less, up to date.
Mind-boggling to contemplate how that happens, ain't it?

I don't remember exactly who it was but I got a flash update on my IPhone that actor so and so died. Checked Wiki 5 min later for gen info and it was updated. The power of the group for both good and bad. Sometimes actors died and they didn't yet "know it".

Rutger Hauer?

I have no idea how many people work on the thing, but it must be literally 10s of thousands.
I use it all the time to research technical stuff. Most of that kind of stuff is really excellent.

I was joking with my sister a while back as she lamented tuition for her kids that I could start a university and do nothing but lay out a linear sequence of Wikipedia pages for students to study for a semester and depending on the course, it could be close to as good as the best school on the planet.

[Deleted]

Jul 25, 2019 15:00:10 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jul 25, 2019 11:04:01 GMT -5 daleko said:

I don't remember exactly who it was but I got a flash update on my IPhone that actor so and so died. Checked Wiki 5 min later for gen info and it was updated. The power of the group for both good and bad. Sometimes actors died and they didn't yet "know it".

Rutger Hauer?

I have no idea how many people work on the thing, but it must be literally 10s of thousands.
I use it all the time to research technical stuff. Most of that kind of stuff is really excellent.

I was joking with my sister a while back as she lamented tuition for her kids that I could start a university and do nothing but lay out a linear sequence of Wikipedia pages for students to study for a semester and depending on the course, it could be close to as good as the best school on the planet.

Depends on the subject.

A former patient of mine who is a business professor at a local university explicitly forbade Wikipedia references in her students' papers.

[daleko]

Jul 25, 2019 15:00:10 GMT -5 Walter said:

I have no idea how many people work on the thing, but it must be literally 10s of thousands.

Perhaps you might find these stats interesting.
expandedramblings.com/index.php/wikipedia-statistics/

[Walter]

Jul 25, 2019 15:09:46 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Jul 25, 2019 15:00:10 GMT -5 Walter said:

Rutger Hauer?

I have no idea how many people work on the thing, but it must be literally 10s of thousands.
I use it all the time to research technical stuff. Most of that kind of stuff is really excellent.

I was joking with my sister a while back as she lamented tuition for her kids that I could start a university and do nothing but lay out a linear sequence of Wikipedia pages for students to study for a semester and depending on the course, it could be close to as good as the best school on the planet.

Depends on the subject.

A former patient of mine who is a business professor at a local university explicitly forbade Wikipedia references in her students' papers.

Seems shortsighted.

[Deleted]

Jul 25, 2019 15:42:57 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jul 25, 2019 15:09:46 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Depends on the subject.

A former patient of mine who is a business professor at a local university explicitly forbade Wikipedia references in her students' papers.

Seems shortsighted.

     She's one of those uppity Stanford/MIT grads.

[Walter]

Jul 25, 2019 16:51:59 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Jul 25, 2019 15:42:57 GMT -5 Walter said:

Seems shortsighted.

     She's one of those uppity Stanford/MIT grads.

That don't mean shit to me.
If I'm an instructor, I want my students as smart as possible at the end of the term. Limiting access to information in whatever manner it might be attained, is not working toward that goal.

Reminds me of my high school geometry teacher who failed me on a proof I turned in because I used a theorem in the next chapter of the textbook which she had not yet officially presented to the class. It was as if the theorem didn't exist or was not a proven theorem or something.

[Deleted]

Jul 26, 2019 11:41:20 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jul 25, 2019 16:51:59 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

     She's one of those uppity Stanford/MIT grads.

That don't mean shit to me.
If I'm an instructor, I want my students as smart as possible at the end of the term. Limiting access to information in whatever manner it might be attained, is not working toward that goal.

Reminds me of my high school geometry teacher who failed me on a proof I turned in because I used a theorem in the next chapter of the textbook which she had not yet officially presented to the class. It was as if the theorem didn't exist or was not a proven theorem or something.

I once stayed up half the night solving a calculus problem, and my math professor said, "We're not getting into that stuff until later in the semester."

As for Wiki, I suspect that my professor/patient would have been o.k. with students reading Wikipedia as long as the students consulted the primary sources.  Why not?

The point is that there is significant disinformation on Wiki in some areas.  I know that from direct experiences.

I once posted a reference on a Wiki article about the KGB and the Russian Orthodox Church -- from the published Mitrokhin archives-- and some GRU clown repeatedly deleted the reference, which was published at Cambridge!

[Walter]

Jul 26, 2019 14:30:05 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Jul 26, 2019 11:41:20 GMT -5 Walter said:

That don't mean shit to me.
If I'm an instructor, I want my students as smart as possible at the end of the term. Limiting access to information in whatever manner it might be attained, is not working toward that goal.

Reminds me of my high school geometry teacher who failed me on a proof I turned in because I used a theorem in the next chapter of the textbook which she had not yet officially presented to the class. It was as if the theorem didn't exist or was not a proven theorem or something.

I once stayed up half the night solving a calculus problem, and my math professor said, "We're not getting into that stuff until later in the semester."

As for Wiki, I suspect that my professor/patient would have been o.k. with students reading Wikipedia as long as the students consulted the primary sources.  Why not?

The point is that there is significant disinformation on Wiki in some areas.  I know that from direct experiences.

I once posted a reference on a Wiki article about the KGB and the Russian Orthodox Church -- from the published Mitrokhin archives-- and some GRU clown repeatedly deleted the reference, which was published at Cambridge!

No offense, but judging from some the utter nonsense you post here, it would be a close call as to whether I sided with Wiki, the GRU or you.

[Deleted]

Jul 26, 2019 14:42:50 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jul 26, 2019 14:30:05 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

I once stayed up half the night solving a calculus problem, and my math professor said, "We're not getting into that stuff until later in the semester."

As for Wiki, I suspect that my professor/patient would have been o.k. with students reading Wikipedia as long as the students consulted the primary sources.  Why not?

The point is that there is significant disinformation on Wiki in some areas.  I know that from direct experiences.

I once posted a reference on a Wiki article about the KGB and the Russian Orthodox Church -- from the published Mitrokhin archives-- and some GRU clown repeatedly deleted the reference, which was published at Cambridge!

No offense, but judging from some the utter nonsense you post here, it would be a close call as to whether I sided with Wiki, the GRU or you.

You're still as clueless as always, Wally.  It's truly mind boggling.

You suffer from fixed, mass propaganda-induced delusions about previously classified CIA history.

If you want to learn some true history, (and science) for a change, study James DiEugenio's magnum opus, Destiny Betrayed, about what really happened at the Bay of Pigs, Alpha 66, the JFK assassination, and the Garrison investigation of CIA asset Clay Shaw.

One of the best things about Destiny Betrayed is the way DiEugenio has laid bare the  recently declassified history of CIA/ mass media propaganda about Cuba, the CIA, and the murder of JFK.  He has completely demolished the propaganda of Gerald Posner, Hugh Aynesworth, Walter Sheridan, Vincent Bugliosi, Edward Jay Epstein, and other CIA shills.

[Walter]

Jul 26, 2019 14:58:30 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

Jul 26, 2019 14:42:50 GMT -5 Walter said:

No offense, but judging from some the utter nonsense you post here, it would be a close call as to whether I sided with Wiki, the GRU or you.

You're still as clueless as always, Wally.  It's truly mind boggling.

You suffer from fixed, mass propaganda-induced delusions about previously classified CIA history.

If you want to learn some true history, (and science) for a change, study James DiEugenio's magnum opus, Destiny Betrayed, about what really happened at the Bay of Pigs, Alpha 66, the JFK assassination, and the Garrison investigation of CIA asset Clay Shaw.

One of the best things about Destiny Betrayed is the way DiEugenio has laid bare the  recently declassified history of CIA/ mass media propaganda about Cuba, the CIA, and the murder of JFK.  He has completely demolished the propaganda of Gerald Posner, Hugh Aynesworth, Walter Sheridan, Vincent Bugliosi, Edward Jay Epstein, and other CIA shills.

Like I said, Russian GRU or you.
Tough call.

[Deleted]

Jul 26, 2019 16:44:25 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jul 26, 2019 14:58:30 GMT -5 DrSchadenfreude said:

You're still as clueless as always, Wally.  It's truly mind boggling.

You suffer from fixed, mass propaganda-induced delusions about previously classified CIA history.

If you want to learn some true history, (and science) for a change, study James DiEugenio's magnum opus, Destiny Betrayed, about what really happened at the Bay of Pigs, Alpha 66, the JFK assassination, and the Garrison investigation of CIA asset Clay Shaw.

One of the best things about Destiny Betrayed is the way DiEugenio has laid bare the  recently declassified history of CIA/ mass media propaganda about Cuba, the CIA, and the murder of JFK.  He has completely demolished the propaganda of Gerald Posner, Hugh Aynesworth, Walter Sheridan, Vincent Bugliosi, Edward Jay Epstein, and other CIA shills.

Like I said, Russian GRU or you.
Tough call.

Yeah, because national intelligence agencies like MI6, the CIA, the Mossad, and the FSB (KGB) don't really exist, and they don't engage in black ops or psy ops with mainstream media affiliates.  

And the moon is made of cheese, eh?