The Tulsa Race Massacre of 1921

[Walter]

Sept 14, 2020 16:01:29 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Sept 14, 2020 15:49:31 GMT -5 Walter said:

Stay in locker rm. as solution is your opinion. Others would disagree, claiming it to be a personal statement prior to the game not unlike Tebow kneeling...and that is where the NFL (and you) fall into the trap of letting outside forces dictate policy based on money...of what sells and not principle.
Make Tebow kneel in the locker room and you are consistent. Let him do it on the sideline and you aren't.
Then what?
FTR, I have no problem with either TT or CK kneeling. Why you have a prob with one and not the other is a 'you' thing, IMO.

Oh, Good Lord. I said let the players do something before the anthem. And if that means they kneel, so be it. Are you too far gone in your wokeness to actually read what people say? As for outside forces and money? Just what the hell do you think the NFL is all about? It's a money making governing body...that is its main function. The game is a product to be marketed and sold and to keep the money flowing, you don't f-word around too much with the product. With some exceptions, the players are replaceable and there is a line of people waiting to take their spot. Yes, the players have some leverage, but it's not nearly as much as you or they might believe.

Maybe I am not following, but now this isn't about politics on the field, but just the anthem and politics mixing?
Let players kneel, just not during anthem?
Is that your beef?

[oujour76]

Sept 14, 2020 16:27:06 GMT -5 Walter said:

Sept 14, 2020 16:01:29 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Oh, Good Lord. I said let the players do something before the anthem. And if that means they kneel, so be it. Are you too far gone in your wokeness to actually read what people say? As for outside forces and money? Just what the hell do you think the NFL is all about? It's a money making governing body...that is its main function. The game is a product to be marketed and sold and to keep the money flowing, you don't f-word around too much with the product. With some exceptions, the players are replaceable and there is a line of people waiting to take their spot. Yes, the players have some leverage, but it's not nearly as much as you or they might believe.

Maybe I am not following, but now this isn't about politics on the field, but just the anthem and politics mixing?
Let players kneel, just not during anthem?
Is that your beef?

Not sure why you aren't following. I said I get that sports and politics/social issues sometimes mix. But, only to a point and we're now at the point where it's overshadowing the game itself, and that is my beef. I don't care if they stand on the field or in an end zone 5-10 minutes before the game and take a minute to kneel, pray, hold hands or whatever. Say your piece, state your case and move on and stand for the anthem. And stop with the logos in the end zone, on the scoreboard and the social justice messaging on the back of the helmet. Fans don't pay $200 for a seat so they can attend a political grievance convention. Players are paid to play, they aren't paid to preach.

[Walter]

Sept 14, 2020 16:48:19 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Sept 14, 2020 16:27:06 GMT -5 Walter said:

Maybe I am not following, but now this isn't about politics on the field, but just the anthem and politics mixing?
Let players kneel, just not during anthem?
Is that your beef?

Not sure why you aren't following. I said I get that sports and politics/social issues sometimes mix. But, only to a point and we're now at the point where it's overshadowing the game itself, and that is my beef. I don't care if they stand on the field or in an end zone 5-10 minutes before the game and take a minute to kneel, pray, hold hands or whatever. Say your piece, state your case and move on and stand for the anthem. And stop with the logos in the end zone, on the scoreboard and the social justice messaging on the back of the helmet. Fans don't pay $200 for a seat so they can attend a political grievance convention. Players are paid to play, they aren't paid to preach.

Okay. That isn't a bad compromise. I'd agree with it.

[oujour76]

Sept 14, 2020 16:59:36 GMT -5 Walter said:

Sept 14, 2020 16:48:19 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Not sure why you aren't following. I said I get that sports and politics/social issues sometimes mix. But, only to a point and we're now at the point where it's overshadowing the game itself, and that is my beef. I don't care if they stand on the field or in an end zone 5-10 minutes before the game and take a minute to kneel, pray, hold hands or whatever. Say your piece, state your case and move on and stand for the anthem. And stop with the logos in the end zone, on the scoreboard and the social justice messaging on the back of the helmet. Fans don't pay $200 for a seat so they can attend a political grievance convention. Players are paid to play, they aren't paid to preach.

Okay. That isn't a bad compromise. I'd agree with it.

This is the first time we've agreed on anything in quite a while. I like the old Walter.

[Walter]

Sept 14, 2020 17:07:59 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

Sept 14, 2020 16:59:36 GMT -5 Walter said:

Okay. That isn't a bad compromise. I'd agree with it.

This is the first time we've agreed on anything in quite a while. I like the old Walter.

Damn!
Must be the chemo drugs. I'm losing my edge...in addition to my hair.

[oujour76]

Sept 14, 2020 17:44:57 GMT -5 Walter said:

Sept 14, 2020 17:07:59 GMT -5 oujour76 said:

This is the first time we've agreed on anything in quite a while. I like the old Walter.

Damn!
Must be the chemo drugs. I'm losing my edge...in addition to my hair.

Nah, I’m going with my brilliance. 😎

[DrSchadenfreude]

It looks like the Tulsa Race Massacre is finally getting the long overdue mainstream media coverage that it deserves this week...


www.washingtonpost.com/history/interactive/2021/tulsa-race-massacre-centennial-greenwood/

www.nytimes.com/2021/05/26/books/review-ground-breaking-tulsa-massacre-scott-ellsworth.html

apnews.com/article/tulsa-race-massacre-1921-100-years-later-3bc13e842c31054a90b6d1c81db9d70c

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/once-overlooked-classrooms-tulsa-race-massacre-now-seen-important-lesson-n1268684

www.reuters.com/news/picture/in-pictures-the-1921-tulsa-race-massacre-idUSRTXCOWBN

www.freep.com/story/entertainment/television/2021/05/29/tulsa-race-massacre-anniversary-television/7456546002/