Great training video. Mutt, what say you?

[Panama pfRedd]

[Panama pfRedd]

Comments by a couple of officers:

"not a fan of placing my hands over / around the muzzle of my weapon, especially during a struggle"




"We are trained in a different method of two-handed retention stance. Rather than placing your hand over the top of the handgun and potentially muzzling yourself, you come up into a heavily modified two-handed shooting stance, with both hands on the grip and the leading crooked arm below the muzzle, and your offhand shoulder/elbow pointed towards the threat.

Similar to the photo below, but with the torso bladed further, the offhand wrapped around even further rearward, and the leading elbow "chicken winged" to protrude out even further forward. This allow you to punch forward with your strong hand arm into your offhand palm to strike with your leading off hand elbow, as well as use that leading elbow to deflect their grab attempts and strikes, plus use the leading elbow as a rigid point of contact to leverage against their body in a close quarters grapple to force standoff from which to get some shots off without the muzzle being in contact with them and potentially being pushed out of battery (rendering the gun unable to fire). Plus you can easily let go with your off hand to reach out with offhand palm strikes or stiff-arms to create greater distance, and your offhand shoulder is already positioned forward for greatest reach.

In this two-handed stance I described, it's much tougher to get a part of your body in front of the muzzle, compared to what is shown in that video."

[dilligaf]

Oct 16, 2020 18:03:54 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

LMAO!

So you shoot your own hand, then end up with a jammed pistol.  If you have a revolver, you have shot yourself AND burned the shit out of yourself by gases from the B/C gap.

Love how keyboard warriors want to pretend that revolvers don't exist.   While I have my elbows up looking like a fighting rooster, my opponent is kneeing my balls into hamburger, pulverizing my liver, and God knows what else.

If you are in that close, you better know empty handed fighting techniques.  I recommend one thumb in each eye socket, pushing hard and deep.  The natural human instinct is to protect one's eyes, and the pain for almost any human being will be unbearable, even if you don't damage the eyes.

As for the guy charging from 15 feet away, what does a matador do with a bull?  He does not stupidly stand still and give el toro a direct route to victory.

These 2 guys are idiots and so is anyone who follows their advice.

[Panama pfRedd]

Oct 16, 2020 19:47:40 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Oct 16, 2020 18:03:54 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

LMAO!

So you shoot your own hand, then end up with a jammed pistol.  If you have a revolver, you have shot yourself AND burned the shit out of yourself by gases from the B/C gap.

Love how keyboard warriors want to pretend that revolvers don't exist.   While I have my elbows up looking like a fighting rooster, my opponent is kneeing my balls into hamburger, pulverizing my liver, and God knows what else.

If you are in that close, you better know empty handed fighting techniques.  I recommend one thumb in each eye socket, pushing hard and deep.  The natural human instinct is to protect one's eyes, and the pain for almost any human being will be unbearable, even if you don't damage the eyes.

As for the guy charging from 15 feet away, what does a matador do with a bull?  He does not stupidly stand still and give el toro a direct route to victory.

These 2 guys are idiots and so is anyone who follows their advice.

Technique is limited to pistols obviously. Dept issued Glock pistols I would imagine.

[dilligaf]

Oct 16, 2020 20:04:34 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Oct 16, 2020 19:47:40 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

LMAO!

So you shoot your own hand, then end up with a jammed pistol.  If you have a revolver, you have shot yourself AND burned the shit out of yourself by gases from the B/C gap.

Love how keyboard warriors want to pretend that revolvers don't exist.   While I have my elbows up looking like a fighting rooster, my opponent is kneeing my balls into hamburger, pulverizing my liver, and God knows what else.

If you are in that close, you better know empty handed fighting techniques.  I recommend one thumb in each eye socket, pushing hard and deep.  The natural human instinct is to protect one's eyes, and the pain for almost any human being will be unbearable, even if you don't damage the eyes.

As for the guy charging from 15 feet away, what does a matador do with a bull?  He does not stupidly stand still and give el toro a direct route to victory.

These 2 guys are idiots and so is anyone who follows their advice.

Technique is limited to pistols obviously. Dept issued Glock pistols I would imagine.

Any semiauto will jam when you wrap your hand around the slide and frame.
No, you NEVER place your gun close to your body and across it.  One good bump can cause you to gut shoot yourself.

If you have to shoot up close, you hold the gun with one hand, with that hand planted on your hip bone, pointed straight ahead.

As I said, these two "experts" are idiots.

[Panama pfRedd]

Oct 16, 2020 20:32:27 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Oct 16, 2020 20:04:34 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Technique is limited to pistols obviously. Dept issued Glock pistols I would imagine.

Any semiauto will jam when you wrap your hand around the slide and frame.
No, you NEVER place your gun close to your body and across it.  One good bump can cause you to gut shoot yourself.

If you have to shoot up close, you hold the gun with one hand, with that hand planted on your hip bone, pointed straight ahead.

As I said, these two "experts" are idiots.

I see this as a last resort technique.

[dilligaf]

Oct 16, 2020 20:34:01 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Oct 16, 2020 20:32:27 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Any semiauto will jam when you wrap your hand around the slide and frame.
No, you NEVER place your gun close to your body and across it.  One good bump can cause you to gut shoot yourself.

If you have to shoot up close, you hold the gun with one hand, with that hand planted on your hip bone, pointed straight ahead.

As I said, these two "experts" are idiots.

I see this as a last resort technique.

That's kinda why I like magazine safeties.   Hit the button and let him have the gun.  Even if the mag doesn't fall all the way out, while he is fumbling around trying to make the gun work, you draw your backup and shoot him in the top of the head.    Even if he is NOT a taxi driver.

However, I carry a Glock and no backup gun so .................... discretion is the better part of valor.

[Panama pfRedd]

Oct 16, 2020 20:48:33 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Oct 16, 2020 20:34:01 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

I see this as a last resort technique.

That's kinda why I like magazine safeties.   Hit the button and let him have the gun.  Even if the mag doesn't fall all the way out, while he is fumbling around trying to make the gun work, you draw your backup and shoot him in the top of the head.    Even if he is NOT a taxi driver.

However, I carry a Glock and no backup gun so .................... discretion is the better part of valor.

I like the way you talk, chief.

[dilligaf]

Oct 16, 2020 20:50:53 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Oct 16, 2020 20:48:33 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

That's kinda why I like magazine safeties.   Hit the button and let him have the gun.  Even if the mag doesn't fall all the way out, while he is fumbling around trying to make the gun work, you draw your backup and shoot him in the top of the head.    Even if he is NOT a taxi driver.

However, I carry a Glock and no backup gun so .................... discretion is the better part of valor.

I like the way you talk, chief.

You must be referring to Big Chief Ugly One.
Me ain't he.