Fully vaccinated man gets covid

[Panama pfRedd]

Jun 25, 2021 14:27:50 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Jun 25, 2021 12:31:15 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

The western "health care" system is not about the health of people, but about the health of the western "health care" system. The evidence of the truth of my assertion is overwhelming.

I had long suspected this was the case. Then came what I found about red yeast rice. www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-925/red-yeast-rice (Link chosen at random.) Red yeast rice has been in use by millions the world over for centuries. Then along comes Big Pharma with synthetically-produced statins to lower LDL. When studies were done that showed RYR contains naturally-occurring statin and was just as effective as the expensive prescription stuff at lowering LDL, Big Pharma persuaded the FDA to fix the problem. The problem of course, being Big Pharma's bottom line. The FDA complied.

The FDA is not there to protect you from the pharmaceutical industry or anybody else. It's there to protect the bottom-lines of the industries it's supposed to regulate.
[/quotgse




Found out all about Western medicine when the wife went thru 8 surgeries for cancer,
My mom is now going thru it and all the doctors want to do is cut,burn,and poison her.
The wife has time extensive research on all types of supplements that find cancer miriad of other things western medicine claims they can't cure.

We both take ryr,acv,monolauren,bcomplex,vitamins c,d,e, cats claw,niacin,tumeric,greenpower,gse,copper...to name a few and rarely get sick

Add zinc, NAC and possibly ALA to your regimen. Tumeric is a good one.

[Panama pfRedd]

Jun 25, 2021 14:27:50 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Jun 25, 2021 12:31:15 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

The western "health care" system is not about the health of people, but about the health of the western "health care" system. The evidence of the truth of my assertion is overwhelming.

I had long suspected this was the case. Then came what I found about red yeast rice. www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-925/red-yeast-rice (Link chosen at random.) Red yeast rice has been in use by millions the world over for centuries. Then along comes Big Pharma with synthetically-produced statins to lower LDL. When studies were done that showed RYR contains naturally-occurring statin and was just as effective as the expensive prescription stuff at lowering LDL, Big Pharma persuaded the FDA to fix the problem. The problem of course, being Big Pharma's bottom line. The FDA complied.

The FDA is not there to protect you from the pharmaceutical industry or anybody else. It's there to protect the bottom-lines of the industries it's supposed to regulate.
[/quotgse




Found out all about Western medicine when the wife went thru 8 surgeries for cancer,
My mom is now going thru it and all the doctors want to do is cut,burn,and poison her.
The wife has time extensive research on all types of supplements that find cancer miriad of other things western medicine claims they can't cure.

We both take ryr,acv,monolauren,bcomplex,vitamins c,d,e, cats claw,niacin,tumeric,greenpower,gse,copper...to name a few and rarely get sick

Vaccine death rates

From the CDC website:


Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

"As of March 24, 2021, there are three COVID-19 vaccines available for use in the United States under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). These vaccines are monitored by VAERS and several other vaccine safety monitoring systems as part of the most intensive vaccine safety monitoring effort in U.S. history. This continuous, robust safety monitoring helps keep COVID-19 vaccines safe and helps ensure the benefits of vaccination continue to outweigh any risks.

Learn more about Ensuring COVID-19 Vaccine Safety in the U.S.

Healthcare providers are required to report certain adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS. Learn about COVID-19 vaccine EUA reporting requirements for healthcare providersexternal icon."

www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html


www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/access-VAERS-data.html#anchor_1617388966905



This is what I turned up:
wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=2C2830C45A5A304E28895D64709C



So I plugged in all vaccines, all deaths, all years, all locations, essentially all factors inclusive, and got a chart showing that of 14,950 vaccine related deaths reported since 1988,

58.35% occurred from 1988 to 2020, and 41.65% occurred in 2021 year to date.

Prior to 2021, the yearly percentages ranged from 0.01% to 4.03% in 2019.

Then 41.65% of all reported vaccine deaths occurred in the 2021 half year!

[cbisbig]

Jun 26, 2021 10:21:45 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Jun 25, 2021 14:27:50 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Vaccine death rates

From the CDC website:


Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

"As of March 24, 2021, there are three COVID-19 vaccines available for use in the United States under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). These vaccines are monitored by VAERS and several other vaccine safety monitoring systems as part of the most intensive vaccine safety monitoring effort in U.S. history. This continuous, robust safety monitoring helps keep COVID-19 vaccines safe and helps ensure the benefits of vaccination continue to outweigh any risks.

Learn more about Ensuring COVID-19 Vaccine Safety in the U.S.

Healthcare providers are required to report certain adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS. Learn about COVID-19 vaccine EUA reporting requirements for healthcare providersexternal icon."

www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html


www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/access-VAERS-data.html#anchor_1617388966905



This is what I turned up:
wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=2C2830C45A5A304E28895D64709C



So I plugged in all vaccines, all deaths, all years, all locations, essentially all factors inclusive, and got a chart showing that of 14,950 vaccine related deaths reported since 1988,

58.35% occurred from 1988 to 2020, and 41.65% occurred in 2021 year to date.

Prior to 2021, the yearly percentages ranged from 0.01% to 4.03% in 2019.

Then 41.65% of all reported vaccine deaths occurred in the 2021 half year!

Certainly gives one something to think about if you're considering the snake oil

[Panama pfRedd]

Jun 26, 2021 10:30:56 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Certainly gives one something to think about if you're considering the snake oil

Based on the available data, the logical conclusion about the mRNA vaccines is this:

Viruses damage cells by invading them and commandeering the cell's reproductive process to create more viruses. Eventually the cell is completely used up, filled with viruses, bursts, and the viruses are released to move on to infect other cells. Essentially, all the damage done by viruses is simply the effects of the viruses using cells as a replication factories. In the case of COVID19, the mechanism by which it attacks and infiltrates a cell is through the spike protein.

So it made "logical" sense to develop mRNA vaccines that carry the RNA coding for only the spike protein. Your body then generates spike proteins, but not complete viruses, and your antibodies and T-cells "learn" to fight off the spike protein and thus the virus. Sounds reasonable, right? Since neither the full coding of the virus, or any "dead" (the proper term is inactivated) viruses are present in the vaccine, there is no risk of the dangers caused by the virus. Again, sounds completely reasonable. What could go wrong?

Except data is leading to the realization that COVID19 is not a respiratory illness, but a vascular illness. The pneumonia like symptoms and damage to the lungs is caused by vascular damage to the capillaries in the alveoli.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, the spike protein is not only the mechanism by which COVID19 binds to and attacks human cells, but part of the illness itself. Let's say that again. The spike protein itself causes vascular system damage. So in some people, when the vaccine triggers the production of spike proteins in order to stimulate an immune response, the produced spike proteins damage vascular systems cells even though the reproductive system of the cell is not hijacked and no viruses are replicated. The spike protein doesn't destroy cells like viral replication does, but it does damage them.

So we have blood clotting, heart issues, and other vascular system damage in some vaccine recipients. How do you know if you are one of the people that will react negatively? No idea. Maybe in time researchers will find the reason, but it won't be soon.

[Panama pfRedd]

Conclusion, the decision to take this experimental drug should be up to the individual and the individual only. It's downright criminal that companies would require it of their employees or patrons, and tyrannical for any government entity to do so.

[Panama pfRedd]

How to Get Ivermectin
covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/how-to-get-ivermectin/

[Walter]

Jun 26, 2021 18:52:38 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Jun 26, 2021 10:30:56 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Certainly gives one something to think about if you're considering the snake oil

Based on the available data, the logical conclusion about the mRNA vaccines is this:

Viruses damage cells by invading them and commandeering the cell's reproductive process to create more viruses. Eventually the cell is completely used up, filled with viruses, bursts, and the viruses are released to move on to infect other cells. Essentially, all the damage done by viruses is simply the effects of the viruses using cells as a replication factories. In the case of COVID19, the mechanism by which it attacks and infiltrates a cell is through the spike protein.

So it made "logical" sense to develop mRNA vaccines that carry the RNA coding for only the spike protein. Your body then generates spike proteins, but not complete viruses, and your antibodies and T-cells "learn" to fight off the spike protein and thus the virus. Sounds reasonable, right? Since neither the full coding of the virus, or any "dead" (the proper term is inactivated) viruses are present in the vaccine, there is no risk of the dangers caused by the virus. Again, sounds completely reasonable. What could go wrong?

Except data is leading to the realization that COVID19 is not a respiratory illness, but a vascular illness. The pneumonia like symptoms and damage to the lungs is caused by vascular damage to the capillaries in the alveoli.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, the spike protein is not only the mechanism by which COVID19 binds to and attacks human cells, but part of the illness itself. Let's say that again. The spike protein itself causes vascular system damage. So in some people, when the vaccine triggers the production of spike proteins in order to stimulate an immune response, the produced spike proteins damage vascular systems cells even though the reproductive system of the cell is not hijacked and no viruses are replicated. The spike protein doesn't destroy cells like viral replication does, but it does damage them.

So we have blood clotting, heart issues, and other vascular system damage in some vaccine recipients. How do you know if you are one of the people that will react negatively? No idea. Maybe in time researchers will find the reason, but it won't be soon.

Link?

[cbisbig]

Jun 26, 2021 19:33:14 GMT -5 Walter said:

Jun 26, 2021 18:52:38 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Based on the available data, the logical conclusion about the mRNA vaccines is this:

Viruses damage cells by invading them and commandeering the cell's reproductive process to create more viruses. Eventually the cell is completely used up, filled with viruses, bursts, and the viruses are released to move on to infect other cells. Essentially, all the damage done by viruses is simply the effects of the viruses using cells as a replication factories. In the case of COVID19, the mechanism by which it attacks and infiltrates a cell is through the spike protein.

So it made "logical" sense to develop mRNA vaccines that carry the RNA coding for only the spike protein. Your body then generates spike proteins, but not complete viruses, and your antibodies and T-cells "learn" to fight off the spike protein and thus the virus. Sounds reasonable, right? Since neither the full coding of the virus, or any "dead" (the proper term is inactivated) viruses are present in the vaccine, there is no risk of the dangers caused by the virus. Again, sounds completely reasonable. What could go wrong?

Except data is leading to the realization that COVID19 is not a respiratory illness, but a vascular illness. The pneumonia like symptoms and damage to the lungs is caused by vascular damage to the capillaries in the alveoli.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, the spike protein is not only the mechanism by which COVID19 binds to and attacks human cells, but part of the illness itself. Let's say that again. The spike protein itself causes vascular system damage. So in some people, when the vaccine triggers the production of spike proteins in order to stimulate an immune response, the produced spike proteins damage vascular systems cells even though the reproductive system of the cell is not hijacked and no viruses are replicated. The spike protein doesn't destroy cells like viral replication does, but it does damage them.

So we have blood clotting, heart issues, and other vascular system damage in some vaccine recipients. How do you know if you are one of the people that will react negatively? No idea. Maybe in time researchers will find the reason, but it won't be soon.

Link?

What good would a link do YOU?
You'll scoff at it anyway

alan-42497.medium.com/are-the-covid-vaccines-causing-damage-d019c2e88f03

[Panama pfRedd]

Jun 27, 2021 5:48:37 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Jun 26, 2021 19:33:14 GMT -5 Walter said:

Link?

What good would a link do YOU?
You'll scoff at it anyway

alan-42497.medium.com/are-the-covid-vaccines-causing-damage-d019c2e88f03

It's gotten to the point where anything we post is scoffed at by the usual suspects, but walt is special within that group. For some obsessive reason he feels the need to respond to 180/attack 99% of what I post here. I just ignore him now and have throttled way back my posting. Crazy is taking over this place.

[Walter]

Jun 27, 2021 10:49:42 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Jun 27, 2021 5:48:37 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

What good would a link do YOU?
You'll scoff at it anyway

alan-42497.medium.com/are-the-covid-vaccines-causing-damage-d019c2e88f03

It's gotten to the point where anything we post is scoffed at by the usual suspects, but walt is special within that group. For some obsessive reason he feels the need to respond to 180/attack 99% of what I post here. I just ignore him now and have throttled way back my posting. Crazy is taking over this place.

Most of what you post is pure bullshit.
That's a 'you' problem.

[Panama pfRedd]

Jun 27, 2021 5:48:37 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Jun 26, 2021 19:33:14 GMT -5 Walter said:

Link?

What good would a link do YOU?
You'll scoff at it anyway

alan-42497.medium.com/are-the-covid-vaccines-causing-damage-d019c2e88f03

I think that the most revealing statistic is this:
Total population of the US is 332M. Total "covid related" deaths to date in US, going by the CDC's inflated numbers is 604K.

That means that you have a 0.18% of catching covid & dying. Or to put it another way, we have a 99.82% chance of not dying from covid.

Debunking the scaremongering over the ‘delta variant’ of COVID
By Thomas Lifson

Lots of powerful people want you to stay scared about COVID, even as the toll in terms of death and hospitalization continues to plummet in the United States and other advanced countries. Because viruses naturally evolve rapidly, they have a new variant, at first called “The Indian variant” because it was first spotted there. But it has now been renamed the “delta variant,” perhaps to be able to continue to maintain that calling COVID “the Chinese virus,” or “the Wuhan flu,” is racist. The normal practice of naming new diseases after the place they were first identified (German measles, Hong Kong flu, Lyme disease) had to be suspended to protect China’s interests (as the W.H.O. so assiduously does) and to demonize Donald Trump as a racist.

The response of the scaremongers to the delta variant has predictably been to try to scare people and use their fright as a bludgeon to continue, expand, or restore limitations on their freedoms such as lockdowns, mask-wearing, and restrictions on public gatherings.

Last Friday, for instance:

The World Health Organization on Friday urged fully vaccinated people to continue to wear masks, social distance and practice other Covid-19 pandemic safety measures as the highly contagious delta variant spreads rapidly across the globe.

“People cannot feel safe just because they had the two doses. They still need to protect themselves,” Dr. Mariangela Simao, WHO assistant director-general for access to medicines and health products, said during a news briefing from the agency’s Geneva headquarters.

And Dr. Fauci issued a carefully worded statement that included the words “greatest threat” in discussing the delta variant:

"The Delta variant is currently the greatest threat in the U.S. to our attempt to eliminate COVID-19,"

Pay close attention to the care with which Fauci specified that “our attempt to eliminate COVID-19” was what was threatened. The delta variant is even more transmissible than earlier versions of the virus, but the other side of that coin is that it is weaker, less lethal. All those people driving around with “Darwin” fishes with legs displayed on the bumpers should be able to follow the evolutionary logic. The virus, like all life forms, wants to reproduce to survive. But if it kills off its hosts, it can’t do so. That’s why as viruses mutate, they become less lethal and more transmissible.

By specifying that the object is “our attempt to eliminate COVID-19,” Fauci is positing an impossible goal. We haven’t eliminated the common cold or any of the flu variants that plague us every year. The best we can hope to do is minimize their impact as they burn themselves out. Fauci knows that the delta variant is less lethal than the first viruses, so he highlights its transmissibility as the “greatest threat” to an unrealistic goal of complete elimination. The headlines all feature the scary words “greatest threat” with no attention to the diminished lethality. In fact, greater transmissibility of a milder variant helps natural herd immunity, rendering potential hosts nearly immune to further viral infections.

Update: This is just disgraceful! Joe Biden claimed that the delta variant is "deadlier."

America’s Frontline Doctors, that brave group of physicians who have resisted the enforced party line on COVID, has published a video from Britain that takes 3 minutes to show that the appearance and rapid spread of the delta variant in England has led to a decline in hospitalizations and deaths. It is well worth watching as it methodically graphs the data on Covid there, proving that the scaremongering is deceptive propaganda.



CDC Data Highlights COVID Vaccination is More Dangerous than COVID Infection for Young Adults

According to the CDC data for every 100,000 young people vaccinated 700 will require medical care and 200 will be hospitalized. Put another way, 200 young people will suffer side-effects that require hospitalization for every 100,000 vaccinations administered. However, also according to the CDC data, the CDC estimates that only about 50 out of 100,000 adolescents have EVER been hospitalized for Covid-related illness.

That means the rate of hospitalization from the COVID vaccine is four times greater than the rate of hospitalization from exposure to the virus itself.

Why would any young person in their right mind increase their risk of hospitalization by taking the vaccine?

Alex Berenson dove into the CDC analysis after the CDC study was made public [SEE HERE].

Berenson – […] The CDC’s focus yesterday was on two illnesses, myocarditis and pericarditis, forms of heart inflammation that can occasionally progress to heart failure and even death. The CDC and many reporters insist on calling the cases mild. In fact 95 percent of the 300+ post-vaccination cases the CDC has reviewed have led to hospitalization.

[…] In fact, the CDC’s own data shows that for every 100,000 vaccines given to young people, more than 25,000 will have temporary side effects that prevent them from “normal activities,” 700 will require medical care and 200 will be hospitalized. In contrast, the CDC estimates that only about 50 out of 100,000 adolescents have EVER been hospitalized for Covid-related illness.

Of course, not everyone has gotten Covid – the CDC estimates that about 1/3 of Americans have. (Most never had a positive test, and many never even knew.) Thus, if EVERYONE got Covid, it is reasonable to assume the 50 Covid hospitalizations out of 100,000 adolescents rate might be about three times as high – or 150 per 100,000.

But even the 150 per 100,000 rate is LOWER than the 200 per 100,000 rate of adolescents who are hospitalized in the first week after being vaccinated.

In other words, even if vaccinations stopped every case of Covid in 12-17 year olds forever, and even if they never had side effects after the first week, it is hard to see how the risk-benefit ratio supports vaccination.


alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccines-reasons-for-concern-569
Vaccines: Reasons for Concern
Part 2: Why does the CDC keep calling post-Covid vaccine heart problems in young men "rare" and "mild" when they are neither?

Alex Berenson
Jun 24

We can no longer trust the Centers for Disease Control to weigh honestly the risks and benefits of Covid vaccines for young people.

That is the only possible interpretation of Wednesday’s CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) meeting about the link between Covid shots and serious heart problems in teens and young adults.

At the meeting, CDC scientists presented horrendous data. It showed that even without accounting for underreporting, a second dose of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines could increase the risk of problems up to 200-fold in young men.

But the scientists then went on to suggest the vaccines should still given – even to kids already suffering from heart problems.

The CDC’s focus yesterday was on two illnesses, myocarditis and pericarditis, forms of heart inflammation that can occasionally progress to heart failure and even death. The CDC and many reporters insist on calling the cases mild. In fact 95 percent of the 300+ post-vaccination cases the CDC has reviewed have led to hospitalization.

Keep in mind cases are continuing to come in, and the agency hasn’t reviewed all the cases it has already received. This issue is part of a bigger problem, which is that the volume of side effects reports that the CDC has received on the Covid vaccines has overwhelmed its monitoring system.

To give you a sense of the problem: In all of 2019, the CDC’s voluntary vaccine side effect reporting system received about 48,000 reports for ALL vaccines. So far in 2021 it has received at least seven times that many for Covid vaccines alone.

Also keep in mind that heart inflammation is only ONE potential problem the vaccines may cause. The CDC and journalists generally like to compare each individual vaccine side effect to ALL the risks of Covid, a slight-of-hand that has the effect of making the vaccines seem safer.

In fact, the CDC’s own data shows that for every 100,000 vaccines given to young people, more than 25,000 will have temporary side effects that prevent them from “normal activities,” 700 will require medical care and 200 will be hospitalized.

In contrast, the CDC estimates that only about 50 out of 100,000 adolescents have EVER been hospitalized for Covid-related illness.

Of course, not everyone has gotten Covid - the CDC estimates that about 1/3 of Americans have. (Most never had a positive test, and many never even knew.) Thus, if EVERYONE got Covid, it is reasonable to assume the 50 Covid hospitalizations out of 100,000 adolescents rate might be about three times as high - or 150 per 100,000.

But even the 150 per 100,000 rate is LOWER than the 200 per 100,000 rate of adolescents who are hospitalized in the first week after being vaccinated.

In other words, even if vaccinations stopped every case of Covid in 12-17 year olds forever, and even if they never had side effects after the first week, it is hard to see how the risk-benefit ratio supports vaccination.

That’s especially true for healthy teens. Most Covid hospitalizations occur in people with other illnesses, including diabetes or chronic lung conditions.

But in its presentation Wednesday, the CDC instead claimed that the rate of hospitalization in adolescents was roughly 400 out of 14,000 cases, or close to 2,900 per 100,000 - almost 20 times what its own data shows. (Estimating three deaths out of 14,000 adolescent cases is even less credible.)

And it did not look at the combined rate of all post-vaccine hospitalizations, only those related to myocarditis.

By offering numbers that its own data do not support, the CDC was able to claim, bizarrely, that Covid vaccinations have a “positive balance for all age and sex groups.” Then the agency’s scientists went even further, saying teens with previous cases of myocarditis or pericarditis could receive the vaccines.

This line of reasoning is so strange that I almost wonder whether a CDC scientist included it to raise alarm about the other recommendations.

Because otherwise, it - like most everything else the agency said yesterday - makes little sense.

[cbisbig]

Jun 27, 2021 12:16:45 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Jun 27, 2021 5:48:37 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

What good would a link do YOU?
You'll scoff at it anyway

alan-42497.medium.com/are-the-covid-vaccines-causing-damage-d019c2e88f03

I think that the most revealing statistic is this:
Total population of the US is 332M. Total "covid related" deaths to date in US, going by the CDC's inflated numbers is 604K.

That means that you have a 0.18% of catching covid & dying. Or to put it another way, we have a 99.82% chance of not dying from covid.

Debunking the scaremongering over the ‘delta variant’ of COVID
By Thomas Lifson

Lots of powerful people want you to stay scared about COVID, even as the toll in terms of death and hospitalization continues to plummet in the United States and other advanced countries. Because viruses naturally evolve rapidly, they have a new variant, at first called “The Indian variant” because it was first spotted there. But it has now been renamed the “delta variant,” perhaps to be able to continue to maintain that calling COVID “the Chinese virus,” or “the Wuhan flu,” is racist. The normal practice of naming new diseases after the place they were first identified (German measles, Hong Kong flu, Lyme disease) had to be suspended to protect China’s interests (as the W.H.O. so assiduously does) and to demonize Donald Trump as a racist.

The response of the scaremongers to the delta variant has predictably been to try to scare people and use their fright as a bludgeon to continue, expand, or restore limitations on their freedoms such as lockdowns, mask-wearing, and restrictions on public gatherings.

Last Friday, for instance:

The World Health Organization on Friday urged fully vaccinated people to continue to wear masks, social distance and practice other Covid-19 pandemic safety measures as the highly contagious delta variant spreads rapidly across the globe.

“People cannot feel safe just because they had the two doses. They still need to protect themselves,” Dr. Mariangela Simao, WHO assistant director-general for access to medicines and health products, said during a news briefing from the agency’s Geneva headquarters.

And Dr. Fauci issued a carefully worded statement that included the words “greatest threat” in discussing the delta variant:

"The Delta variant is currently the greatest threat in the U.S. to our attempt to eliminate COVID-19,"

Pay close attention to the care with which Fauci specified that “our attempt to eliminate COVID-19” was what was threatened. The delta variant is even more transmissible than earlier versions of the virus, but the other side of that coin is that it is weaker, less lethal. All those people driving around with “Darwin” fishes with legs displayed on the bumpers should be able to follow the evolutionary logic. The virus, like all life forms, wants to reproduce to survive. But if it kills off its hosts, it can’t do so. That’s why as viruses mutate, they become less lethal and more transmissible.

By specifying that the object is “our attempt to eliminate COVID-19,” Fauci is positing an impossible goal. We haven’t eliminated the common cold or any of the flu variants that plague us every year. The best we can hope to do is minimize their impact as they burn themselves out. Fauci knows that the delta variant is less lethal than the first viruses, so he highlights its transmissibility as the “greatest threat” to an unrealistic goal of complete elimination. The headlines all feature the scary words “greatest threat” with no attention to the diminished lethality. In fact, greater transmissibility of a milder variant helps natural herd immunity, rendering potential hosts nearly immune to further viral infections.

Update: This is just disgraceful! Joe Biden claimed that the delta variant is "deadlier."

America’s Frontline Doctors, that brave group of physicians who have resisted the enforced party line on COVID, has published a video from Britain that takes 3 minutes to show that the appearance and rapid spread of the delta variant in England has led to a decline in hospitalizations and deaths. It is well worth watching as it methodically graphs the data on Covid there, proving that the scaremongering is deceptive propaganda.



CDC Data Highlights COVID Vaccination is More Dangerous than COVID Infection for Young Adults

According to the CDC data for every 100,000 young people vaccinated 700 will require medical care and 200 will be hospitalized. Put another way, 200 young people will suffer side-effects that require hospitalization for every 100,000 vaccinations administered. However, also according to the CDC data, the CDC estimates that only about 50 out of 100,000 adolescents have EVER been hospitalized for Covid-related illness.

That means the rate of hospitalization from the COVID vaccine is four times greater than the rate of hospitalization from exposure to the virus itself.

Why would any young person in their right mind increase their risk of hospitalization by taking the vaccine?

Alex Berenson dove into the CDC analysis after the CDC study was made public [SEE HERE].

Berenson – […] The CDC’s focus yesterday was on two illnesses, myocarditis and pericarditis, forms of heart inflammation that can occasionally progress to heart failure and even death. The CDC and many reporters insist on calling the cases mild. In fact 95 percent of the 300+ post-vaccination cases the CDC has reviewed have led to hospitalization.

[…] In fact, the CDC’s own data shows that for every 100,000 vaccines given to young people, more than 25,000 will have temporary side effects that prevent them from “normal activities,” 700 will require medical care and 200 will be hospitalized. In contrast, the CDC estimates that only about 50 out of 100,000 adolescents have EVER been hospitalized for Covid-related illness.

Of course, not everyone has gotten Covid – the CDC estimates that about 1/3 of Americans have. (Most never had a positive test, and many never even knew.) Thus, if EVERYONE got Covid, it is reasonable to assume the 50 Covid hospitalizations out of 100,000 adolescents rate might be about three times as high – or 150 per 100,000.

But even the 150 per 100,000 rate is LOWER than the 200 per 100,000 rate of adolescents who are hospitalized in the first week after being vaccinated.

In other words, even if vaccinations stopped every case of Covid in 12-17 year olds forever, and even if they never had side effects after the first week, it is hard to see how the risk-benefit ratio supports vaccination.


alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccines-reasons-for-concern-569
Vaccines: Reasons for Concern
Part 2: Why does the CDC keep calling post-Covid vaccine heart problems in young men "rare" and "mild" when they are neither?

Alex Berenson
Jun 24

We can no longer trust the Centers for Disease Control to weigh honestly the risks and benefits of Covid vaccines for young people.

That is the only possible interpretation of Wednesday’s CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) meeting about the link between Covid shots and serious heart problems in teens and young adults.

At the meeting, CDC scientists presented horrendous data. It showed that even without accounting for underreporting, a second dose of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines could increase the risk of problems up to 200-fold in young men.

But the scientists then went on to suggest the vaccines should still given – even to kids already suffering from heart problems.

The CDC’s focus yesterday was on two illnesses, myocarditis and pericarditis, forms of heart inflammation that can occasionally progress to heart failure and even death. The CDC and many reporters insist on calling the cases mild. In fact 95 percent of the 300+ post-vaccination cases the CDC has reviewed have led to hospitalization.

Keep in mind cases are continuing to come in, and the agency hasn’t reviewed all the cases it has already received. This issue is part of a bigger problem, which is that the volume of side effects reports that the CDC has received on the Covid vaccines has overwhelmed its monitoring system.

To give you a sense of the problem: In all of 2019, the CDC’s voluntary vaccine side effect reporting system received about 48,000 reports for ALL vaccines. So far in 2021 it has received at least seven times that many for Covid vaccines alone.

Also keep in mind that heart inflammation is only ONE potential problem the vaccines may cause. The CDC and journalists generally like to compare each individual vaccine side effect to ALL the risks of Covid, a slight-of-hand that has the effect of making the vaccines seem safer.

In fact, the CDC’s own data shows that for every 100,000 vaccines given to young people, more than 25,000 will have temporary side effects that prevent them from “normal activities,” 700 will require medical care and 200 will be hospitalized.

In contrast, the CDC estimates that only about 50 out of 100,000 adolescents have EVER been hospitalized for Covid-related illness.

Of course, not everyone has gotten Covid - the CDC estimates that about 1/3 of Americans have. (Most never had a positive test, and many never even knew.) Thus, if EVERYONE got Covid, it is reasonable to assume the 50 Covid hospitalizations out of 100,000 adolescents rate might be about three times as high - or 150 per 100,000.

But even the 150 per 100,000 rate is LOWER than the 200 per 100,000 rate of adolescents who are hospitalized in the first week after being vaccinated.

In other words, even if vaccinations stopped every case of Covid in 12-17 year olds forever, and even if they never had side effects after the first week, it is hard to see how the risk-benefit ratio supports vaccination.

That’s especially true for healthy teens. Most Covid hospitalizations occur in people with other illnesses, including diabetes or chronic lung conditions.

But in its presentation Wednesday, the CDC instead claimed that the rate of hospitalization in adolescents was roughly 400 out of 14,000 cases, or close to 2,900 per 100,000 - almost 20 times what its own data shows. (Estimating three deaths out of 14,000 adolescent cases is even less credible.)

And it did not look at the combined rate of all post-vaccine hospitalizations, only those related to myocarditis.

By offering numbers that its own data do not support, the CDC was able to claim, bizarrely, that Covid vaccinations have a “positive balance for all age and sex groups.” Then the agency’s scientists went even further, saying teens with previous cases of myocarditis or pericarditis could receive the vaccines.

This line of reasoning is so strange that I almost wonder whether a CDC scientist included it to raise alarm about the other recommendations.

Because otherwise, it - like most everything else the agency said yesterday - makes little sense.

No need to convince me , i think most people with a "wait and see" approach are glad they waited

[Panama pfRedd]

Jun 27, 2021 12:24:50 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Jun 27, 2021 12:16:45 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

I think that the most revealing statistic is this:
Total population of the US is 332M. Total "covid related" deaths to date in US, going by the CDC's inflated numbers is 604K.

That means that you have a 0.18% of catching covid & dying. Or to put it another way, we have a 99.82% chance of not dying from covid.

Debunking the scaremongering over the ‘delta variant’ of COVID
By Thomas Lifson

Lots of powerful people want you to stay scared about COVID, even as the toll in terms of death and hospitalization continues to plummet in the United States and other advanced countries. Because viruses naturally evolve rapidly, they have a new variant, at first called “The Indian variant” because it was first spotted there. But it has now been renamed the “delta variant,” perhaps to be able to continue to maintain that calling COVID “the Chinese virus,” or “the Wuhan flu,” is racist. The normal practice of naming new diseases after the place they were first identified (German measles, Hong Kong flu, Lyme disease) had to be suspended to protect China’s interests (as the W.H.O. so assiduously does) and to demonize Donald Trump as a racist.

The response of the scaremongers to the delta variant has predictably been to try to scare people and use their fright as a bludgeon to continue, expand, or restore limitations on their freedoms such as lockdowns, mask-wearing, and restrictions on public gatherings.

Last Friday, for instance:

The World Health Organization on Friday urged fully vaccinated people to continue to wear masks, social distance and practice other Covid-19 pandemic safety measures as the highly contagious delta variant spreads rapidly across the globe.

“People cannot feel safe just because they had the two doses. They still need to protect themselves,” Dr. Mariangela Simao, WHO assistant director-general for access to medicines and health products, said during a news briefing from the agency’s Geneva headquarters.

And Dr. Fauci issued a carefully worded statement that included the words “greatest threat” in discussing the delta variant:

"The Delta variant is currently the greatest threat in the U.S. to our attempt to eliminate COVID-19,"

Pay close attention to the care with which Fauci specified that “our attempt to eliminate COVID-19” was what was threatened. The delta variant is even more transmissible than earlier versions of the virus, but the other side of that coin is that it is weaker, less lethal. All those people driving around with “Darwin” fishes with legs displayed on the bumpers should be able to follow the evolutionary logic. The virus, like all life forms, wants to reproduce to survive. But if it kills off its hosts, it can’t do so. That’s why as viruses mutate, they become less lethal and more transmissible.

By specifying that the object is “our attempt to eliminate COVID-19,” Fauci is positing an impossible goal. We haven’t eliminated the common cold or any of the flu variants that plague us every year. The best we can hope to do is minimize their impact as they burn themselves out. Fauci knows that the delta variant is less lethal than the first viruses, so he highlights its transmissibility as the “greatest threat” to an unrealistic goal of complete elimination. The headlines all feature the scary words “greatest threat” with no attention to the diminished lethality. In fact, greater transmissibility of a milder variant helps natural herd immunity, rendering potential hosts nearly immune to further viral infections.

Update: This is just disgraceful! Joe Biden claimed that the delta variant is "deadlier."

America’s Frontline Doctors, that brave group of physicians who have resisted the enforced party line on COVID, has published a video from Britain that takes 3 minutes to show that the appearance and rapid spread of the delta variant in England has led to a decline in hospitalizations and deaths. It is well worth watching as it methodically graphs the data on Covid there, proving that the scaremongering is deceptive propaganda.



CDC Data Highlights COVID Vaccination is More Dangerous than COVID Infection for Young Adults

According to the CDC data for every 100,000 young people vaccinated 700 will require medical care and 200 will be hospitalized. Put another way, 200 young people will suffer side-effects that require hospitalization for every 100,000 vaccinations administered. However, also according to the CDC data, the CDC estimates that only about 50 out of 100,000 adolescents have EVER been hospitalized for Covid-related illness.

That means the rate of hospitalization from the COVID vaccine is four times greater than the rate of hospitalization from exposure to the virus itself.

Why would any young person in their right mind increase their risk of hospitalization by taking the vaccine?

Alex Berenson dove into the CDC analysis after the CDC study was made public [SEE HERE].

Berenson – […] The CDC’s focus yesterday was on two illnesses, myocarditis and pericarditis, forms of heart inflammation that can occasionally progress to heart failure and even death. The CDC and many reporters insist on calling the cases mild. In fact 95 percent of the 300+ post-vaccination cases the CDC has reviewed have led to hospitalization.

[…] In fact, the CDC’s own data shows that for every 100,000 vaccines given to young people, more than 25,000 will have temporary side effects that prevent them from “normal activities,” 700 will require medical care and 200 will be hospitalized. In contrast, the CDC estimates that only about 50 out of 100,000 adolescents have EVER been hospitalized for Covid-related illness.

Of course, not everyone has gotten Covid – the CDC estimates that about 1/3 of Americans have. (Most never had a positive test, and many never even knew.) Thus, if EVERYONE got Covid, it is reasonable to assume the 50 Covid hospitalizations out of 100,000 adolescents rate might be about three times as high – or 150 per 100,000.

But even the 150 per 100,000 rate is LOWER than the 200 per 100,000 rate of adolescents who are hospitalized in the first week after being vaccinated.

In other words, even if vaccinations stopped every case of Covid in 12-17 year olds forever, and even if they never had side effects after the first week, it is hard to see how the risk-benefit ratio supports vaccination.


alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccines-reasons-for-concern-569
Vaccines: Reasons for Concern
Part 2: Why does the CDC keep calling post-Covid vaccine heart problems in young men "rare" and "mild" when they are neither?

Alex Berenson
Jun 24

We can no longer trust the Centers for Disease Control to weigh honestly the risks and benefits of Covid vaccines for young people.

That is the only possible interpretation of Wednesday’s CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) meeting about the link between Covid shots and serious heart problems in teens and young adults.

At the meeting, CDC scientists presented horrendous data. It showed that even without accounting for underreporting, a second dose of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines could increase the risk of problems up to 200-fold in young men.

But the scientists then went on to suggest the vaccines should still given – even to kids already suffering from heart problems.

The CDC’s focus yesterday was on two illnesses, myocarditis and pericarditis, forms of heart inflammation that can occasionally progress to heart failure and even death. The CDC and many reporters insist on calling the cases mild. In fact 95 percent of the 300+ post-vaccination cases the CDC has reviewed have led to hospitalization.

Keep in mind cases are continuing to come in, and the agency hasn’t reviewed all the cases it has already received. This issue is part of a bigger problem, which is that the volume of side effects reports that the CDC has received on the Covid vaccines has overwhelmed its monitoring system.

To give you a sense of the problem: In all of 2019, the CDC’s voluntary vaccine side effect reporting system received about 48,000 reports for ALL vaccines. So far in 2021 it has received at least seven times that many for Covid vaccines alone.

Also keep in mind that heart inflammation is only ONE potential problem the vaccines may cause. The CDC and journalists generally like to compare each individual vaccine side effect to ALL the risks of Covid, a slight-of-hand that has the effect of making the vaccines seem safer.

In fact, the CDC’s own data shows that for every 100,000 vaccines given to young people, more than 25,000 will have temporary side effects that prevent them from “normal activities,” 700 will require medical care and 200 will be hospitalized.

In contrast, the CDC estimates that only about 50 out of 100,000 adolescents have EVER been hospitalized for Covid-related illness.

Of course, not everyone has gotten Covid - the CDC estimates that about 1/3 of Americans have. (Most never had a positive test, and many never even knew.) Thus, if EVERYONE got Covid, it is reasonable to assume the 50 Covid hospitalizations out of 100,000 adolescents rate might be about three times as high - or 150 per 100,000.

But even the 150 per 100,000 rate is LOWER than the 200 per 100,000 rate of adolescents who are hospitalized in the first week after being vaccinated.

In other words, even if vaccinations stopped every case of Covid in 12-17 year olds forever, and even if they never had side effects after the first week, it is hard to see how the risk-benefit ratio supports vaccination.

That’s especially true for healthy teens. Most Covid hospitalizations occur in people with other illnesses, including diabetes or chronic lung conditions.

But in its presentation Wednesday, the CDC instead claimed that the rate of hospitalization in adolescents was roughly 400 out of 14,000 cases, or close to 2,900 per 100,000 - almost 20 times what its own data shows. (Estimating three deaths out of 14,000 adolescent cases is even less credible.)

And it did not look at the combined rate of all post-vaccine hospitalizations, only those related to myocarditis.

By offering numbers that its own data do not support, the CDC was able to claim, bizarrely, that Covid vaccinations have a “positive balance for all age and sex groups.” Then the agency’s scientists went even further, saying teens with previous cases of myocarditis or pericarditis could receive the vaccines.

This line of reasoning is so strange that I almost wonder whether a CDC scientist included it to raise alarm about the other recommendations.

Because otherwise, it - like most everything else the agency said yesterday - makes little sense.

No need to convince me , i think most people with a "wait and see" approach are glad they waited

I know you're convinced. I would just rather respond to you than a crazy person.

[cbisbig]

Jun 27, 2021 12:29:25 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Jun 27, 2021 12:24:50 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

No need to convince me , i think most people with a "wait and see" approach are glad they waited

I know you're convinced. I would just rather respond to you than a crazy person.

Plenty of those around here, have you seen my discussion with one on the pro football board

[Panama pfRedd]

Jun 27, 2021 12:31:15 GMT -5 cbisbig said:

Jun 27, 2021 12:29:25 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

I know you're convinced. I would just rather respond to you than a crazy person.

Plenty of those around here, have you seen my discussion with one on the pro football board

If you're not a leftist robot like he is, everything you say will be opposed, twisted, and quarterbacked.