Most Republicans view voting as privilege

[dilligaf]

Sept 2, 2021 15:25:36 GMT -5 Walter said:

Sept 2, 2021 15:17:30 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Yes, after you REGISTER to vote.

You have to be alive, too.

Republicans simply want to make it harder for Demoncrats to cheat.

That is very commendable.

Ironic that most of those rules catch Republicans cheating way more than Democrats.

I'm not going to argue with that bullshit.

No one should cheat and EVERYONE should be registered at least 30 days before any election, and REQUIRED to show voter ID at the polls.
Voting by mail should be totally outlawed, except for U.S. citizens who are registered and are temporarily out of the country, such as military personnel and their families.

[Walter]

Sept 2, 2021 17:39:43 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Sept 2, 2021 15:25:36 GMT -5 Walter said:

Ironic that most of those rules catch Republicans cheating way more than Democrats.

I'm not going to argue with that bullshit.

No one should cheat and EVERYONE should be registered at least 30 days before any election, and REQUIRED to show voter ID at the polls.
Voting by mail should be totally outlawed, except for U.S. citizens who are registered and are temporarily out of the country, such as military personnel and their families.

Disagree. This will be my second all mail ballot next month, and I don't ever want to go back to the old way.
Mail-in is a far superior system with all the same safeguards as in-person voting with a shitload less hassle.

[daleko]

Sept 2, 2021 19:00:25 GMT -5 Walter said:

Sept 2, 2021 17:39:43 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

I'm not going to argue with that bullshit.

No one should cheat and EVERYONE should be registered at least 30 days before any election, and REQUIRED to show voter ID at the polls.
Voting by mail should be totally outlawed, except for U.S. citizens who are registered and are temporarily out of the country, such as military personnel and their families.

Disagree. This will be my second all mail ballot next month, and I don't ever want to go back to the old way.
Mail-in is a far superior system with all the same safeguards as in-person voting with a shitload less hassle.

And somewhere in our future mail-in ballots will go away. What it will be, going forward, I have no idea.

[dilligaf]

Sept 2, 2021 19:00:25 GMT -5 Walter said:

Sept 2, 2021 17:39:43 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

I'm not going to argue with that bullshit.

No one should cheat and EVERYONE should be registered at least 30 days before any election, and REQUIRED to show voter ID at the polls.
Voting by mail should be totally outlawed, except for U.S. citizens who are registered and are temporarily out of the country, such as military personnel and their families.

Disagree. This will be my second all mail ballot next month, and I don't ever want to go back to the old way.
Mail-in is a far superior system with all the same safeguards as in-person voting with a shitload less hassle.

Bullshit.

Mail is stolen.  Mail is lost.

Mail is burned up in USPS truck wrecks.

There is NO safeguard in the U.S. Postal System.  Are you nuts??  Once your ballot leaves your hands, you have no idea if that is truly your ballot that gets counted.

[Walter]

Sept 3, 2021 9:35:41 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Sept 2, 2021 19:00:25 GMT -5 Walter said:

Disagree. This will be my second all mail ballot next month, and I don't ever want to go back to the old way.
Mail-in is a far superior system with all the same safeguards as in-person voting with a shitload less hassle.

Bullshit.

Mail is stolen.  Mail is lost.

Mail is burned up in USPS truck wrecks.

There is NO safeguard in the U.S. Postal System.  Are you nuts??  Once your ballot leaves your hands, you have no idea if that is truly your ballot that gets counted.

I delivered my ballot to a county dropbox.
I also get an email from the county telling me they received it, the signature on the envelope matched the one on file, and that the ballot was accepted.

[dilligaf]

Sept 3, 2021 12:38:04 GMT -5 Walter said:

Sept 3, 2021 9:35:41 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Bullshit.

Mail is stolen.  Mail is lost.

Mail is burned up in USPS truck wrecks.

There is NO safeguard in the U.S. Postal System.  Are you nuts??  Once your ballot leaves your hands, you have no idea if that is truly your ballot that gets counted.

I delivered my ballot to a county dropbox.
I also get an email from the county telling me they received it, the signature on the envelope matched the one on file, and that the ballot was accepted.

Then that is not mail.

Stop lying.

If you can go to a dropbox, you can go to a polling place and vote in person.

[Walter]

Sept 3, 2021 13:12:22 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Sept 3, 2021 12:38:04 GMT -5 Walter said:

I delivered my ballot to a county dropbox.
I also get an email from the county telling me they received it, the signature on the envelope matched the one on file, and that the ballot was accepted.

Then that is not mail.

Stop lying.

If you can go to a dropbox, you can go to a polling place and vote in person.

Oh, I could have mailed it. I just chose not to because the dropbox is so close. I literally would have to drive further to the PO.
But let us assume I mailed it and it got lost.
I can go to the county website and track my ballot like you track cheap guitar delivery. If, after a week I do not see it has arrived, I can go online and order up a new (albeit provisional) one.
In short, it is a 21st century voting system.
You are advocating for a 19th century voting system.

Oh, and BTW, as you might suspect, there is no polling place.

[dilligaf]

Sept 3, 2021 14:30:36 GMT -5 Walter said:

Sept 3, 2021 13:12:22 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Then that is not mail.

Stop lying.

If you can go to a dropbox, you can go to a polling place and vote in person.

Oh, I could have mailed it. I just chose not to because the dropbox is so close. I literally would have to drive further to the PO.
But let us assume I mailed it and it got lost.
I can go to the county website and track my ballot like you track cheap guitar delivery. If, after a week I do not see it has arrived, I can go online and order up a new (albeit provisional) one.
In short, it is a 21st century voting system.
You are advocating for a 19th century voting system.

Oh, and BTW, as you might suspect, there is no polling place.

So you are telling me that California has no places for people to vote in person?

That is DEFINITELY obstruction of people's right to vote.

I don't want to mail in my vote.  I don't want anyone coming between me and the ballot that actually gets counted.  I want to vote only at a secure, state-run polling place --- a physical building.

No, we have an 18th century voting system, and it has worked well since it was created, once EVERY U.S. citizen over 18 was afforded the right to vote.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Walter]

Sept 4, 2021 8:22:54 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Sept 3, 2021 14:30:36 GMT -5 Walter said:

Oh, I could have mailed it. I just chose not to because the dropbox is so close. I literally would have to drive further to the PO.
But let us assume I mailed it and it got lost.
I can go to the county website and track my ballot like you track cheap guitar delivery. If, after a week I do not see it has arrived, I can go online and order up a new (albeit provisional) one.
In short, it is a 21st century voting system.
You are advocating for a 19th century voting system.

Oh, and BTW, as you might suspect, there is no polling place.

So you are telling me that California has no places for people to vote in person?

That is DEFINITELY obstruction of people's right to vote.

I don't want to mail in my vote.  I don't want anyone coming between me and the ballot that actually gets counted.  I want to vote only at a secure, state-run polling place --- a physical building.

No, we have an 18th century voting system, and it has worked well since it was created, once EVERY U.S. citizen over 18 was afforded the right to vote.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I stand corrected. I think one can still vote in person at various govt office buildings, but the old temporary neighborhood polling places in local homes or schools are no more.

[dilligaf]

Sept 4, 2021 9:01:18 GMT -5 Walter said:

Sept 4, 2021 8:22:54 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

So you are telling me that California has no places for people to vote in person?

That is DEFINITELY obstruction of people's right to vote.

I don't want to mail in my vote.  I don't want anyone coming between me and the ballot that actually gets counted.  I want to vote only at a secure, state-run polling place --- a physical building.

No, we have an 18th century voting system, and it has worked well since it was created, once EVERY U.S. citizen over 18 was afforded the right to vote.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I stand corrected. I think one can still vote in person at various govt office buildings, but the old temporary neighborhood polling places in local homes or schools are no more.

Then it is YOUR STATE that is impeding the people's right to vote.

I had no idea California was THAT discriminatory.  Thank you for pointing that out.

[Walter]

Sept 4, 2021 13:48:40 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

Sept 4, 2021 9:01:18 GMT -5 Walter said:

I stand corrected. I think one can still vote in person at various govt office buildings, but the old temporary neighborhood polling places in local homes or schools are no more.

Then it is YOUR STATE that is impeding the people's right to vote.

I had no idea California was THAT discriminatory.  Thank you for pointing that out.

How is it impeding the vote?

[Panama pfRedd]

Sept 4, 2021 9:01:18 GMT -5 Walter said:

Sept 4, 2021 8:22:54 GMT -5 dilligaf said:

So you are telling me that California has no places for people to vote in person?

That is DEFINITELY obstruction of people's right to vote.

I don't want to mail in my vote.  I don't want anyone coming between me and the ballot that actually gets counted.  I want to vote only at a secure, state-run polling place --- a physical building.

No, we have an 18th century voting system, and it has worked well since it was created, once EVERY U.S. citizen over 18 was afforded the right to vote.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I stand corrected. I think one can still vote in person at various govt office buildings, but the old temporary neighborhood polling places in local homes or schools are no more.

You're a liar. My wife's elementary school is (still) a polling place in the upcoming recall election. The equipment is being delivered on the 8th.

[Walter]

Sept 4, 2021 23:15:37 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Sept 4, 2021 9:01:18 GMT -5 Walter said:

I stand corrected. I think one can still vote in person at various govt office buildings, but the old temporary neighborhood polling places in local homes or schools are no more.

You're a liar. My wife's elementary school is (still) a polling place in the upcoming recall election. The equipment is being delivered on the 8th.

Really? That's interesting. Not the case down here where I am at all. So it must be a local thing.
But wait...you did get mail-in ballots though, right? I thought everyone got one.
If so, what would be the purpose of having a polling place other than as a glorified dropbox? Makes no sense.

[Panama pfRedd]

Sept 5, 2021 0:17:48 GMT -5 Walter said:

Sept 4, 2021 23:15:37 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

You're a liar. My wife's elementary school is (still) a polling place in the upcoming recall election. The equipment is being delivered on the 8th.

Really? That's interesting. Not the case down here where I am at all. So it must be a local thing.
But wait...you did get mail-in ballots though, right? I thought everyone got one.
If so, what would be the purpose of having a polling place other than as a glorified dropbox? Makes no sense.

Absentee ballot, not an everyone mail in ballot. Another lie.

[Walter]

Sept 5, 2021 8:40:31 GMT -5 Panama pfRedd said:

Sept 5, 2021 0:17:48 GMT -5 Walter said:

Really? That's interesting. Not the case down here where I am at all. So it must be a local thing.
But wait...you did get mail-in ballots though, right? I thought everyone got one.
If so, what would be the purpose of having a polling place other than as a glorified dropbox? Makes no sense.

Absentee ballot, not an everyone mail in ballot. Another lie.

Did you receive a ballot in the mail? Yes or no?
I did.
Did you request an absentee ballot?
I didn't, but still got the ballot. How 'bout you?
Explain how that happened.